DONCASTER/SHEFFIELD
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It could be that, given it was originally predicted to open on Monday, the airlines could have arranged with passengers to go to Leeds instead (or transferred them up on a coach) before they knew about the Sunday re-opening.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Doncaster
Age: 41
Posts: 556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All flights today either cancelled or diverted. I really don't know how this can be deemed acceptable. No such problems at other airports and it has been just as cold.
My source at Peel reckons Wizz are not happy at all about the situation.
My source at Peel reckons Wizz are not happy at all about the situation.
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North, UK
Age: 67
Posts: 936
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have no great interest in Doncaster as an airport to use as it is neither local to me or offers flights I would consider using from there. That being said I hbelieve I can offer a totally unbiased comment.
Timmy I cannot believe someone takes so much pleasure from deriding an airport and it's services, you seem to have a lot of sources and very little information. So let us have concrete information that can be qualified before positing in future please.
Timmy I cannot believe someone takes so much pleasure from deriding an airport and it's services, you seem to have a lot of sources and very little information. So let us have concrete information that can be qualified before positing in future please.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Doncaster
Age: 41
Posts: 556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Consider this:
Before the ECGN site was taken down, I posted to say that management at DSA had been involved. Someone then from another forum also posted to say VAS had been in touch regarding this site.
I explained an announcment was due within the week. That week Ryanair announced a new route.
Put it this way, other local airports are now operating fine with cold temperatures, so why can't DSA?
This winter is going to be the coldest on record, and these temperatures are predicted to continue throughout.
If DSA cannot cope with them, maybe it would be better all round if they did not open in the winter months. All these cancelled flights are not good for passengers or airlines.
Like I have said, what message does this send out to any potential new airlines. If there were any plans for any to come on board, I would say they are now well and truely scuppered.
Before the ECGN site was taken down, I posted to say that management at DSA had been involved. Someone then from another forum also posted to say VAS had been in touch regarding this site.
I explained an announcment was due within the week. That week Ryanair announced a new route.
Put it this way, other local airports are now operating fine with cold temperatures, so why can't DSA?
This winter is going to be the coldest on record, and these temperatures are predicted to continue throughout.
If DSA cannot cope with them, maybe it would be better all round if they did not open in the winter months. All these cancelled flights are not good for passengers or airlines.
Like I have said, what message does this send out to any potential new airlines. If there were any plans for any to come on board, I would say they are now well and truely scuppered.
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: manchester
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Whilst the DSA closure was more prolonged, pretty much every other UK airport has had some issues with this snow.
MAN/LPL/EMA have had closures for snow clearance.
EDI/INV/ABZ have had longer closures due to snowfall
GLA/LTN have had several snow closures
LGW was closed for near on 2 days due to snow.
Despite this, you single out DSA as the incompetant ones?
As for attracting new airlines, I very highly doubt they will see this as a reason not to come to DSA, as by that reckoning LGW will be having a mass pull out any day now, oh no, wait, they have just got a new service to MSP and will have some Air Berlin routes next year!
At the end of the day, its been a long time since Nov/Dec was this cold, and due to past milder winters, airports havent spent huge amounts of £££'s on snow clearance as it hasnt been needed. Obviously after this winter, they may re-think it.
MAN/LPL/EMA have had closures for snow clearance.
EDI/INV/ABZ have had longer closures due to snowfall
GLA/LTN have had several snow closures
LGW was closed for near on 2 days due to snow.
Despite this, you single out DSA as the incompetant ones?
As for attracting new airlines, I very highly doubt they will see this as a reason not to come to DSA, as by that reckoning LGW will be having a mass pull out any day now, oh no, wait, they have just got a new service to MSP and will have some Air Berlin routes next year!
At the end of the day, its been a long time since Nov/Dec was this cold, and due to past milder winters, airports havent spent huge amounts of £££'s on snow clearance as it hasnt been needed. Obviously after this winter, they may re-think it.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Doncaster
Age: 41
Posts: 556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fair points.
Although, other airports have had problems, I just don't get why DSA have struggled so much worse than others?
DSA is struggling at the moment to hang on to what it has, and it seems to be bad news after bad news (Ryanair increase excluded).
Although, other airports have had problems, I just don't get why DSA have struggled so much worse than others?
DSA is struggling at the moment to hang on to what it has, and it seems to be bad news after bad news (Ryanair increase excluded).
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: London, Los Angeles and Las Vegas
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fair points.
Although, other airports have had problems, I just don't get why DSA have struggled so much worse than others?
Although, other airports have had problems, I just don't get why DSA have struggled so much worse than others?
TimmyW, if you were properly informed you would know the real reason the EGCN forums were taken down. You clearly dont, and for the record its not because of your ramblings. You said there was news regarding DSA's future, and then FR put 2xweekly flights on to TFS. Good news, granted, but hardly 'an announcement regarding the future of the airport' is it!?
I suspect your source at 'Peel' is nothing more than the speculation posted up on other forums, along with multiple usernames.
I do, however, think there is an argument about why the airport has been closed for such a prolonged period, when even the small ones like HUY can stay open as much as possible.
I suspect your source at 'Peel' is nothing more than the speculation posted up on other forums, along with multiple usernames.
I do, however, think there is an argument about why the airport has been closed for such a prolonged period, when even the small ones like HUY can stay open as much as possible.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I explained an announcment was due within the week. That week Ryanair announced a new route.
DSA is struggling at the moment to hang on to what it has, and it seems to be bad news after bad news (Ryanair increase excluded).
I believe the word "troll" is appropriate here!
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: manchester
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
DSA is struggling at the moment to hang on to what it has, and it seems to be bad news after bad news (Ryanair increase excluded).
The main issue, in my own opinion is, that DSA was built too late.
By the time it was built, the Loco market was already booming, and other airports had vaccumed up most of the available traffic.
I remember when DSA opened, there were a lot of people saying that many airlines would come, namely VS and an 'american' airline, but in reality, that would never happen.
Lets say, delta started a DSA-JFK route. The MAN-JFK route already caters for the 'northern' area, so not only would Delta dilute its own MAN-JFK route, but now it has 2 aircraft doing the job that 1 aircraft is doing quite competantly.
I think the future of DSA is charters with some loco, and maybe KLM as a legacy? So, what are these airlines that will be put off serving DSA?
The main issue, in my own opinion is, that DSA was built too late.
By the time it was built, the Loco market was already booming, and other airports had vaccumed up most of the available traffic.
I remember when DSA opened, there were a lot of people saying that many airlines would come, namely VS and an 'american' airline, but in reality, that would never happen.
Lets say, delta started a DSA-JFK route. The MAN-JFK route already caters for the 'northern' area, so not only would Delta dilute its own MAN-JFK route, but now it has 2 aircraft doing the job that 1 aircraft is doing quite competantly.
I think the future of DSA is charters with some loco, and maybe KLM as a legacy? So, what are these airlines that will be put off serving DSA?
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: manchester
Posts: 526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I dont Know, look at it this way:
-KL used to serve Sheffield City, so they must see demand from the area
-They serve LPL/MAN BRS/CWL EDI/GLA so HUY/DSA is not totally inconceivable.
-They rely on connections, not just O&D so they have 2 ways to fill the cabins. Easyjet had good loads DSA-AMS, so surely this combined with a smaller F70 could work 3 times daily from DSA
-They serve LPL/MME so obviously have a good relationship with VAS, and that could be exploited to bring them to DSA.
Other than that, what about AF for the same reason?
They dont serve LBA, so the connections through CDG could work. They also have the ATR72 or the E190 so the right sized aircraft for the route. They are also part of the AF/KLM group so another good reason.
-KL used to serve Sheffield City, so they must see demand from the area
-They serve LPL/MAN BRS/CWL EDI/GLA so HUY/DSA is not totally inconceivable.
-They rely on connections, not just O&D so they have 2 ways to fill the cabins. Easyjet had good loads DSA-AMS, so surely this combined with a smaller F70 could work 3 times daily from DSA
-They serve LPL/MME so obviously have a good relationship with VAS, and that could be exploited to bring them to DSA.
Other than that, what about AF for the same reason?
They dont serve LBA, so the connections through CDG could work. They also have the ATR72 or the E190 so the right sized aircraft for the route. They are also part of the AF/KLM group so another good reason.
Information has been released which says that Peel had tried to attract KLM away from HUY, they didnt go (for a number of reasons) but they did open at LPL. The SZD was pulled and that airport was far more conveniant for the Sheffield catchment than DSA. AF dont seem to be interested in the smaller regionals in the UK, but perhaps BE could be an option in the future?
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Sometimes north, sometimes south
Posts: 1,809
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
1 Post
WBT:
I remember looking at the airport's business plan before it opened. I can't remember the exact figures OTTOMH but their plan was based on a very high (70-80%?) proportion of the traffic simply being stolen from other airports, mainly MAN and LBA.
NS
By the time it was built, the Loco market was already booming, and other airports had vaccumed up most of the available traffic
NS
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Scotland
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As a one time resident of Yorkshire I too followed the development plans for the new DSA and remember thinking that its location was too far distant from the the main cities of Sheffield and Leeds to be able to compete with Manchester and East Midlands airports. However if excellent connections by motorway and rail directly into the airport were built it might have a chance. It would also need to attract major airlines operating a good and frequent range of services to make it worthwhile for people in Leeds, Hull and Sheffield to take the time to get to the airport instead of Manchester. Potential passengers from Bradford, Halifax etc would always prefer Manchester. Ideally it would need airlines like AF, KLM, Lufthansa etc to provide onward connections. It was a big IF as to whether this would work. In the meantime the Lo Cos have arrived and LBA and EMA have grown making these airports more popular, and more local! It already cost the developers a lot of money to get DSA up and running but it seems to me that this was not enough and public money was needed to massively improve the communications, something that Leeds, Sheffield and Hull city councils were reluctant to do. The opposite seems to be happening and the owners must be losing a lot of money right now, also those retailers and others with businesses at the airport.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Doncaster
Age: 41
Posts: 556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Airport is still closed.
A few other rumours i've heard over the last couple of days.
Thomson will pull out of DSA for the winter months. Statement expected in the next week or so.
FlyBe will discontinue services after next summer.
Wizzair will be reducing frequency on the Polish routes due to poor loadings in the last few months.
A few other rumours i've heard over the last couple of days.
Thomson will pull out of DSA for the winter months. Statement expected in the next week or so.
FlyBe will discontinue services after next summer.
Wizzair will be reducing frequency on the Polish routes due to poor loadings in the last few months.