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Ok, bad one from me on dates, however your original post suggest that Jet2 had damaged easyJet's operation out of EMA, which is impossible seeing as the Jet2 flights do not begin until May...
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As far as I'm aware other airlines (Baby/Ryanair) only stepped in with additional flights after EZY announced their departure from EMA and Jet2 weren't in the picture.
I don't know what is behind the move, whenever I've travelled with EZY from EMA loads have been excellent (don't know the yield of course) including a trip to Malaga last week.
At DSA they won't have several airlines competing on the same route as is the case with Malaga from EMA, so do they feel they can sell the same product at a higher price? If not then I don't see what the end game is, after all a 90% full A319 is costing about the same to operate from DSA as EMA- unless of course DSA are giving them a deal that just cannot be refused!
I don't know what is behind the move, whenever I've travelled with EZY from EMA loads have been excellent (don't know the yield of course) including a trip to Malaga last week.
At DSA they won't have several airlines competing on the same route as is the case with Malaga from EMA, so do they feel they can sell the same product at a higher price? If not then I don't see what the end game is, after all a 90% full A319 is costing about the same to operate from DSA as EMA- unless of course DSA are giving them a deal that just cannot be refused!
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Come off it! If you don't know the layout then don't knock it. Who paid for the road to be routed UNDER the runway at LBA? Truth be told the link road from the M18 would definitely help in getting to the airport, but there are a hell of a lot of 'taxpayers' who would benefit because it would serve as a short by-pass around all the snarl ups that you get trying to go down Bawtry Road into Doncaster town centre or just to the M18 from that direction, and it would defintely be a blessing for anyone living North of Doncaster because it would cut time and distance off their journey home ... Doncaster people have wanted a link from J3 of the M18 for years, and well before the airport was here ...
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"Who paid for the road to be routed UNDER the runway at LBA?"
At the time the taxpayer owned both the airport and the road so not quite the same issue.
But your not wrong about a good road its something both places could do with.
Bill bo
At the time the taxpayer owned both the airport and the road so not quite the same issue.
But your not wrong about a good road its something both places could do with.
Bill bo
The LBA tunnel is a poor comparison. Not only (as pointed out) was the airport owned by the council, but the airport required a runway extension to cater for the larger aircraft.
DSA does not need such airfield improvements and the road investment is a chicken and egg situation. Should such vast amounts be invested in the hope that more expansion take off from DSA or should DSA grow more to prove that there is a requirement for such a road scheme? Failing that why dont they build the connection to Rossington and let Peel pay for the link to the airport from there?
DSA does not need such airfield improvements and the road investment is a chicken and egg situation. Should such vast amounts be invested in the hope that more expansion take off from DSA or should DSA grow more to prove that there is a requirement for such a road scheme? Failing that why dont they build the connection to Rossington and let Peel pay for the link to the airport from there?
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I take your points and maybe the LBA underpass wasn't a good example, but the original poster seemed to think the only people who would benefit from the M18 link would be Peel and airport users whereas there are probably many more who would be glad of any excuse to build it for reasons which were apparent well before the airport made its appearance.
My understanding (as someone who lives in Rossington) is that the preferred link is the short spur from J3 of the M18 to Parrot's Corner at Rossington from where the route to the airfield will continue along Bawtry Road as it is now. It would be so beneficial for so many that there are probably many more tax payers who would be glad of that being built than people actually using DSA!
My understanding (as someone who lives in Rossington) is that the preferred link is the short spur from J3 of the M18 to Parrot's Corner at Rossington from where the route to the airfield will continue along Bawtry Road as it is now. It would be so beneficial for so many that there are probably many more tax payers who would be glad of that being built than people actually using DSA!
More good news for Doncaster
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Maybe some of the many people out there who would love DSA to fail
An example
"It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not."
That was a quote from the humberside forum about Doncaster's October stats, you might recognise it.
Maybe some of the many people out there who would love DSA to fail
An example
"It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not."
That was a quote from the humberside forum about Doncaster's October stats, you might recognise it.
Yet im happy that there has finaly been some good news? Ive always believed that it wasnt needed as have others. If Easyjet do well then i will be proved wrong, end of.
I dont see why you take it so personaly.
For the record, heres the FULL post...
I dont see why you take it so personaly.
For the record, heres the FULL post...
I cannot see TOM leaving in the medium term, though i can see them going back into LBA and reducing their presence at DSA. Similarly Wizz will likely hang on but it will always be under the infuence of the fickle Polish economic migrant market and therefore will be chopped and changed to suit.
I would think that city destinations by FlyBe could have a chance but would they be prepared to expand considering the poor performance of BHD?
Looking pprune, FR will be returning to a daily BOH-DUB service from spring 2010. If DSA cant even get that back then it realy doesnt say much for its current intentions.
It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not.
I would think that city destinations by FlyBe could have a chance but would they be prepared to expand considering the poor performance of BHD?
Looking pprune, FR will be returning to a daily BOH-DUB service from spring 2010. If DSA cant even get that back then it realy doesnt say much for its current intentions.
It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not.
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Pug: "Who would frown at such good news?"
Oh I've no doubt it put a little crease across your brow, just take a look at the following, all your own work ...
Its proving the doubters right at the moment, the damage is being shown now due to its heavy reliance on leisure flights which are taking a massive hit due to the economy.
Their ludicrous ambitions of handling 4.4 to 6.5 million pax by 2016 screams of pushing the government into paying for the motorway link road. I think there are far more pressing things for tax payers money to be spent on.
If the place is still losing 1 million a month (i believe operating loss) i dont see how they are going to claw it back. It appears that business operators dont see it as a viable option due to being far from Sheffield and that cities connections to better flights at MAN and EMA....
How long before Wizz have had enough? FR are already scaling back their Polish operations.
It has already been realised that the airport was not needed after all and the closure of SZD needs looking into. Without dwelling on the past though, what are they going to do to keep going? OK so Wizz are staying for the 'forseable future' and well done to them for claiming the Polish market in Yorkshire.
What about diversity of business routes? BHD not doing well and is subsidised by a Yorkshire development agency... FR have cut flights to DUB and TOM have downscaled, recession acknowledged, this will cause a mass decline in pax figures
People are sure its KLM, Unless EZY would do that too but cant see w patterns being cost effective for a lo-co.
Now while you've got your copy of Microsoft Airport Manager V1.0 fired up, (you're clearly still using V1.0 based on the above), perhaps you'd be good enough to explain why, (N.B. you have to give a real factual answer here for the points), 'W' patterns aren't cost effective for lo-cost airlines? Having filed many many W pattern plans over the years, for more than one lo-co, I shall await the answer with genuine interest and anticipation.
Pug: "Who would frown at such good news?"
Oh I've no doubt it put a little crease across your brow, just take a look at the following, all your own work ...
Its proving the doubters right at the moment, the damage is being shown now due to its heavy reliance on leisure flights which are taking a massive hit due to the economy.
Their ludicrous ambitions of handling 4.4 to 6.5 million pax by 2016 screams of pushing the government into paying for the motorway link road. I think there are far more pressing things for tax payers money to be spent on.
If the place is still losing 1 million a month (i believe operating loss) i dont see how they are going to claw it back. It appears that business operators dont see it as a viable option due to being far from Sheffield and that cities connections to better flights at MAN and EMA....
How long before Wizz have had enough? FR are already scaling back their Polish operations.
It has already been realised that the airport was not needed after all and the closure of SZD needs looking into. Without dwelling on the past though, what are they going to do to keep going? OK so Wizz are staying for the 'forseable future' and well done to them for claiming the Polish market in Yorkshire.
What about diversity of business routes? BHD not doing well and is subsidised by a Yorkshire development agency... FR have cut flights to DUB and TOM have downscaled, recession acknowledged, this will cause a mass decline in pax figures
People are sure its KLM, Unless EZY would do that too but cant see w patterns being cost effective for a lo-co.
Now while you've got your copy of Microsoft Airport Manager V1.0 fired up, (you're clearly still using V1.0 based on the above), perhaps you'd be good enough to explain why, (N.B. you have to give a real factual answer here for the points), 'W' patterns aren't cost effective for lo-cost airlines? Having filed many many W pattern plans over the years, for more than one lo-co, I shall await the answer with genuine interest and anticipation.
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I based that solely on believing that Easyjet and the like didnt tend to offer 'w' patterns. You obviously have experience in the field and thats fine, i never made out that i did. Notice the informed poster agreed that it may not be cost effective.
I have always maintained that im not an expert so why try keep pointing it out. You obviously know better and thats fine.
For your information check out my posts on Easyjet, why would i frown? I used them at EMA regularly and DSA will be even more conveniant for me.
Still dont understand why you take it so personaly though.
I have always maintained that im not an expert so why try keep pointing it out. You obviously know better and thats fine.
For your information check out my posts on Easyjet, why would i frown? I used them at EMA regularly and DSA will be even more conveniant for me.
Still dont understand why you take it so personaly though.
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Now easy has graced Doncaster with there presence i wonder what the future holds for Thompson,as jag 123 pointed out they had a small operation at Liverpool before they came here,were they forced into a base change by competition from the orange jets, i wonder.
Next thing that is bothering me, if the airport is loosing the reported 1million a month how many passengers are needed to be able to turn a profit? Peel have quoted a passenger figure of 4.5 to 6.5 by 2016 is this
the magic number to make money and is it actually possible.
I have been told Peels operation at Liverpool is handling around 6 million and hasnt earned a bean under their ownership,if this is true how long do companies give these things before they knock them on the head,i am worried that the same fate awaits Robin Hood that the city airport got, i hope not but loosing brass hand over fist just doesnt make sense to me or am i just talking out of my a**e .
No doubt someone will put me right.
Next thing that is bothering me, if the airport is loosing the reported 1million a month how many passengers are needed to be able to turn a profit? Peel have quoted a passenger figure of 4.5 to 6.5 by 2016 is this
the magic number to make money and is it actually possible.
I have been told Peels operation at Liverpool is handling around 6 million and hasnt earned a bean under their ownership,if this is true how long do companies give these things before they knock them on the head,i am worried that the same fate awaits Robin Hood that the city airport got, i hope not but loosing brass hand over fist just doesnt make sense to me or am i just talking out of my a**e .
No doubt someone will put me right.
Peel have quoted a passenger figure of 4.5 to 6.5 by 2016 is this
the magic number to make money and is it actually possible.
the magic number to make money and is it actually possible.
