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Old 21st Nov 2016, 14:25
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Do.228 G-SAYE

This aircraft has been seen this afternoon outside the hangar with its tailplane fitted once again. Does that mean it might be about to fly?

Meanwhile G-OAUR hasn't flown since last Monday (14th). Have the engineers taken its tail apart to see how to get SAYE fixed?

While the Dornier fiasco continues, the Trislanders have kept the Alderney, Southampton and Dinard services going. Perhaps Aurigny would have done better to scour the globe for another Trislander and forget about the Dornier deal.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 16:38
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And GR656 G-HUET turned back tonight - was just passed ACI - What is going on?

Further to dcp2608's post last week, another abandoned flight to report... This time Aurigny's latest ATR72 acquisition G-LERE, operating GR626 from Guernsey to Stansted, returned to Guernsey shortly after passing Alderney. The replacement flight, GR1626, is being operated by G-VZON. Indeed, what is going on??
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 16:42
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"Meanwhile G-OAUR hasn't flown since last Monday (14th). Have the engineers taken its tail apart to see how to get SAYE fixed?"

I don't think that you should necessarily assume that G-OAUR is out of service with a fault. They seem to roster the a/c for the ACI routes with at least one out of service at any one time - you can see that if you look back at the Trislander activity. It may just be that it is UR's turn for a week off. Crew rostering may also affect which a/c are operational at a given time.

As for G-SAYE - it is interesting to see all this activity with the a/c as it has been reported to have been WFU. Are they preparing it for disposal I wonder.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 16:54
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If G-OAUR is not flying, what are all the Dornier captains and first officers doing? A whole week and no Dornier in the air? Are ALL the crew members on leave?? G-OAUR only had a week off for maintenance in mid-October.

Where has it been reported that G-SAYE has been WFU? G-info gives no indication of this.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 17:22
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G-SAYE is reported as WFU at Aurigny Air Services Fleet List. It was also reported in the Guernsey Press. Bearing in mind that G-SAYE is a Do228-200 rather than a higher spec a/c and consequently has a lower MTOW (by 500kg compared with G-LGIS and 700kg compared with G-AOUR), this is not perhaps surprising. The interesting question is did it have a higher allowed MTOW when on the German register as D-IFLM and operating to the Isle of Man? There are -201 and -202 versions that have a higher MTOW, and a -200 can be converted to one of those. Maybe (and I'm guessing) a conversion was accepted by the German authorities but not the UK ones.

As to G-OAUR - maybe some of the crews operate both types of a/c and the rostering simply means that the Trislanders were all operating last week. This isn't necessarily implying a fault with the a/c.

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Old 21st Nov 2016, 18:05
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Not sure how "official" Jethro's listing is. I suspect it is assisted by snippets of information. As for the Guernsey Press, one wonders sometimes where their stories come from. I would therefore be cautious in assuming that G-SAYE is WFU - especially when it has been seen in a more airworthy state today than it was last week.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 18:55
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The Guernsey Press report mentioned above was actually an interview with a member of the management team, so I would assume the info reported re G-SAYE is correct.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 19:03
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WFU may mean withdrawn from the Aurigny fleet, but the a/c may still be sold on for a more appropriate use for a -200 variant. It certainly doesn't look as though they are scrapping the a/c - as Gurnard notes it has had its tail plane reinstalled, and they were also running the engines outside the hangar on at least a couple of occasions earlier in the month.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 19:34
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Thanks, Jerbourg. If it was a member of Aurigny's management team, one would assume it is a correct statement. (Cynics, of course, would point out that there's a lot of evidence that some folk at the top don't really have much of a clue what they are doing.) Let's hope Hermite's hypothesis is correct. The sooner Aurigny part company with G-SAYE, the better. It's hardly paid its way!
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 09:32
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G-SAYE

As I write G-SAYE is actually in the air, visible on FR24 heading south from Guernsey.

Presumably it was an airtest as the callsign was GR400T. Landed after 2hrs 15mins aloft.

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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 11:58
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It could be that SAYE is going to flown out to a suitable facility to be parted out to act as a Christmas tree for spares. I believe it has higher rated engines than LGIS so there are two major parts.

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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 15:39
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G-SAYE

After a second airtest this afternoon G-SAYE has operated GR261 Alderney-Guernsey. Back in service??
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 18:30
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GSAYE

[QUOTE=Gurnard;9586353]G-SAYE

"After a second airtest this afternoon G-SAYE has operated GR261 Alderney-Guernsey. Back in service?? "

1828.......on finals at GCI on return leg, looks like in service.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 20:58
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G-SAYE

Thanks, cobopete. After no flying since the 7th September when we understood on good authority that this machine was WFU, all who have speculated about its future seem to have been proved wrong. Extensive airtests today have been followed by it operating GR261, GR282 and GR287. Thoughts of disposal or a composite aircraft being built may need to be forgotten. Does anyone know if this is a genuine "return to service" or a short-term exercise to prove that the aircraft is good for someone else to buy?
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 23:25
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I have said it before, & I will say it again; the whole Dornier fiasco has been a complete farce. How long has it taken AUR to get this aeroplane into part time service ? And, still the BN3 soldiers on !
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 08:48
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Fiasco is the word. Aurigny staff (aircrew, ground handlers, reservations) don't know what is going on. Evidently the management don't either. According to an earlier post it was someone from Aurigny's management who stated in the Guernsey Press that G-SAYE was WFU. If the Press did report correctly, why has this aircraft that has been plagued with problems returned to service? Also, why is G-OAUR not flying again? Finally, there's been no news of G-LGIS since its one way trip to Germany on the 2nd September. Is it being worked on or simply being parked (an Aurigny speciality)?
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 08:59
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Yes, any airline can have problems introducing a new type to service. But, it has taken an inordinate amount of time to get these a/c into regular service; & to replace the BN3 - both of which have not happened yet. Then, there are the continuing stories about the various Doernier a/c - not all of which can be totally untrue. Has anyone forgotten the saga of the original lease of the Portuguese a/c ? - which also seemed to go on forever, without much, if any, explanation.
Is there any chance of a definitive answer to all the questions ? Probably not; at least, not from AUR !
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 09:10
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Correct. Being "States-owned" (i.e. nationalized) seems to allow the management to hide from reality. They seem to lurch from one project to another.
The Portugese a/c you mention is G-LGIS. I have been told by someone who has flown it that it was not in good shape and hadn't been looked after in its earlier life. Yet Aurigny (blindly or in desperation?) bought it. All this beggars belief.
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 11:26
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Over the past months I have enjoyed, somewhat immensely, the sagas of AUR and the Do228's ... I hasten to add that in a previous life I worked with DHC6's and by comparison the Do228 is a 'sports' model.

Incompetences, mistakes, have been going on since aviation, indeed, life, began, the only difference now being, in the 21st century, that we have the world wide web whereas armchair enthusiasts believe they have a right to demand airline directors to become answerable on such a rumour network as PPRuNe.

As I've said I've enjoyed immensely the sagas of, particularly, the Do228 but may I respectfully suggest that if any of you have a genuine, fare paying, grievance to grind with AUR then you perform it through AUR's recognised grievance procedure(s) and, by all means, feel free to post the outcome of your complaint(s) here.
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 11:28
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Well, Gurnard, we seem to be pretty much in agreement about AUR, it's management & the States ownership - which in some respects was a "good idea" when it originally happened i.e. protect the Gatwick slots. But, it has evolved into a situation where the AUR management seem to be pretty much divorced , & cushioned from, reality. I warned of this potential development when the States bought the airline. Although the States don't own Condor, there appear to be parallels there ! It seems to me that both companies are somewhat "playing at being transport companies" without facing up to their responsibilities. Certainly, some very bad mistakes have been made &, although Condor have been forced to face up to reality, AUR still seems to live in "cloud cuckoo land" !
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