Aer Lingus goes A330 ... again.
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Heard today that EI are getting an MD-11 to operate MCO flights in an all economy configuration for the summer months and beyond as part of a package being provided , for interim lift and expansion ,pending delivery of new aircraft
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I wonder who is providing it? And will it be only MD11s? I know there's a few of those knocking around, but EI will surely need more than one, with new routes being added later in the year.
I take it this will be a wet lease?
The MD11 is about the only widebody aircraft available now, although in dwindling numbers; even Finnair (one of the two major users still flying it in pax config) reported being unable to source satisfactory aircraft - and was looking for an A340 to bring in earlier than planned (it had wanted to add an 8th MD11.)
I take it this will be a wet lease?
The MD11 is about the only widebody aircraft available now, although in dwindling numbers; even Finnair (one of the two major users still flying it in pax config) reported being unable to source satisfactory aircraft - and was looking for an A340 to bring in earlier than planned (it had wanted to add an 8th MD11.)
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Originally Posted by irishair2001
Heard today that EI are getting an MD-11 to operate MCO flights in an all economy configuration for the summer months
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It is supposed to be N272WA
BTW
Has anybody seen or heard anywhere ,confirmation about this order for 4 A330s,as far as I know EI has not said anything and I can't find anything about it on the Airbus website.
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Has anybody seen or heard anywhere ,confirmation about this order for 4 A330s,as far as I know EI has not said anything and I can't find anything about it on the Airbus website.
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Ah, so there WILL be white smoke at last!
It will be nice to see the MD11 in EI colours; I never got to see it last time.
Still, even more interesting to see the long term plan as well.
It will be nice to see the MD11 in EI colours; I never got to see it last time.
Still, even more interesting to see the long term plan as well.
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As far as I am led to believe,the MD-11 will not be in full EI colours,but all white with a Shamrock on the tail and this is only the first element of the transitional fleet being provided on flight hours only lease.
And quoting MOL'S 3 favourite words " Made In Seattle" is more likely to be on the new fleet
And quoting MOL'S 3 favourite words " Made In Seattle" is more likely to be on the new fleet
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Originally Posted by irishair2001
And quoting MOL'S 3 favourite words " Made In Seattle" is more likely to be on the new fleet
Could the fact that EI are bringing in MD-11s have anything to do with fleet selection, or could I be reading too much into things?
Can any one say if the MD will operate sevices other than MCO, as even on an hours only lease 3/4x weekly dosent make a whole lot of sense and EI arent exactly flush with airframes at the mo, has any one seen the summer fares? extra capacity needed and fast!
Finally, particuarly for any EI crew, does any one know what the acbin refurb will consist of?
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Good news, especially the "Made in Seattle" bit.
As for future capacity, I was just trying to work out in a very rough way what they might need:
They'll need a few more aircraft than at present, plus the 333s being either retrofitted (unlikely?) or replaced, so the airline's "interim" fleet requirement is quite significant. As Brian Dromey said, some of the fares they're offering are extremely low - LAX for EUR122 (one way).
- The full effect of the new bilateral will be felt, with three new cities being added (it actually starts November, but I doubt if they will go "full on" for the Winter).
- With significant activity this year and an apparent rush to complete bilaterals, it's possible that 2007 will also be the year they go n/s to Asia; DXB should be daily by next year.
For 2007 alone, one could predict:
Daily from DUB to JFK (2), BOS, ORD, MCO, DXB ...
Daily from SNN to JFK, BOS
5 wkly to LAX
Three new cities (assume Dly to SFO, 5 wkly to other two)
Possibility of Dly to YYZ, if Canadian bilateral is updated?
3-5 wkly to New Asian destination.
Fleet requirement: c. 11-12 acft.
Current: 4 333, 3 332. Requirement: 4-5 more (depending on frequencies, plus replacement of 333s).
Looking forward: 2008 will see "open skies", with all restrictions gone on SNN (although EI will maintain current level of capacity through Shannon). Possibility of CPT being offered?
Very exciting times ahead ... Looks like we might need a new thread shortly!
As for future capacity, I was just trying to work out in a very rough way what they might need:
They'll need a few more aircraft than at present, plus the 333s being either retrofitted (unlikely?) or replaced, so the airline's "interim" fleet requirement is quite significant. As Brian Dromey said, some of the fares they're offering are extremely low - LAX for EUR122 (one way).
- The full effect of the new bilateral will be felt, with three new cities being added (it actually starts November, but I doubt if they will go "full on" for the Winter).
- With significant activity this year and an apparent rush to complete bilaterals, it's possible that 2007 will also be the year they go n/s to Asia; DXB should be daily by next year.
For 2007 alone, one could predict:
Daily from DUB to JFK (2), BOS, ORD, MCO, DXB ...
Daily from SNN to JFK, BOS
5 wkly to LAX
Three new cities (assume Dly to SFO, 5 wkly to other two)
Possibility of Dly to YYZ, if Canadian bilateral is updated?
3-5 wkly to New Asian destination.
Fleet requirement: c. 11-12 acft.
Current: 4 333, 3 332. Requirement: 4-5 more (depending on frequencies, plus replacement of 333s).
Looking forward: 2008 will see "open skies", with all restrictions gone on SNN (although EI will maintain current level of capacity through Shannon). Possibility of CPT being offered?
Very exciting times ahead ... Looks like we might need a new thread shortly!
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Question, why can't the EI 333's be retro-fitted with PTV? There are US Airways 333's (260 ish seats) fitted with PTV throughout flying Europe/USA daily. Is it a Dublin runway take-off weight restriction (for the 333)??
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US Airways' A330s are-323X models, with a significantly higher MTOW (233t) than EI's,which are the baseline models (indeed, some come from the original Air Inter order for five);these have an MTOW of 215t (if I recall correctly).
The aircraft could possibly be retrofitted,but would probably be unable to reach ORD and would be confined to BOS/JFK routes.The extra weight of the PTVs, wiring and all of the equipment needed for a modern IFE system would not make this an attractive proposition, particularly if they could only be used on two routes.
The aircraft could possibly be retrofitted,but would probably be unable to reach ORD and would be confined to BOS/JFK routes.The extra weight of the PTVs, wiring and all of the equipment needed for a modern IFE system would not make this an attractive proposition, particularly if they could only be used on two routes.
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Originally Posted by irishair2001
There is and never was an EI order for 4 more A330s,so I don't know where the Sunday Times got its info from.
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Excuse my grammar Shamrock 125
Well I have searched hi and lo,including the Airbus site and I have found nothing and I am sure Airbus would have highlighted and got great mileage out of this ( Order ),I don't even think , that any of the Irish Papers commented on it much.
I recon 7879 or maybe 78710 are going to be adorned with Shamrocks,
Made In Seattle .... ... .... Battle
I recon 7879 or maybe 78710 are going to be adorned with Shamrocks,
Made In Seattle .... ... .... Battle
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irish air...it'll be 4 A330 200s between now and next next yr. AL are of a sort planning on that basis. wish an announcement made sooner than later to put us all out of our misery.
forget seattle...as much as i like boeing.
forget seattle...as much as i like boeing.
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Even if 330s are ordered (and the ST article two weeks ago suggested it was a likelihood, not that the order will be made), these aircraft will only be a short term solution - i.e. until the new type is ordered. Thus, it doesn't necessarily rule out a Boeing order, particularly if the interim deal is worked out with a lessor; some of the current 330s are leased from ILFC, which has both 787s and 350s on order.
I, too, would love to see a 787 order, but I think my hopes - briefly raised by your comments, Irishair2001 ! - are likely to be dashed and we need to be resigned to the fact that the likely aircraft will be the 350. But, of all the things to be resigned to, it's not too shoddy at all. It may be a warmed over 330, but it's still a very significant revision of a very fine aircraft and one which has already found favour with several leading airlines like Finnair and ... well, other leading airlines anyway.
Of course, whatever aircraft EI chooses, it's going to need a lot more than these four and the suggested MD11 lease (I hope your source for this wasn't the same one who told you the new acft would be made in SEA!). As I set out above (and I know my prediction won't be 100% correct), the airline will need to be looking at a fleet of about 11 long haul aircraft and that doesn't include the current A330-300s, which will need to be replaced, so there's going to be quite a bit of movement in the EI fleet.
As Bearcat says, I wish they'd put us out of our misery and order the damned things, sharpish.
I, too, would love to see a 787 order, but I think my hopes - briefly raised by your comments, Irishair2001 ! - are likely to be dashed and we need to be resigned to the fact that the likely aircraft will be the 350. But, of all the things to be resigned to, it's not too shoddy at all. It may be a warmed over 330, but it's still a very significant revision of a very fine aircraft and one which has already found favour with several leading airlines like Finnair and ... well, other leading airlines anyway.
Of course, whatever aircraft EI chooses, it's going to need a lot more than these four and the suggested MD11 lease (I hope your source for this wasn't the same one who told you the new acft would be made in SEA!). As I set out above (and I know my prediction won't be 100% correct), the airline will need to be looking at a fleet of about 11 long haul aircraft and that doesn't include the current A330-300s, which will need to be replaced, so there's going to be quite a bit of movement in the EI fleet.
As Bearcat says, I wish they'd put us out of our misery and order the damned things, sharpish.
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Nothing on this as yet; does anyone get the feeling that they are ready to announce something imminently, or is everything now contingent on the whole pensions issue?
There were reports in the paper that this might be met by proceeds from privatisation, but I don't see how that's going to escape EU Commission attention because of state aid.
However, there are many other airlines in less positive financial shape than EI that have placed aircraft orders; with such healthy prospects ahead - particularly with Open Skies, surely it's a good bet for lessors and other financial parties?
What's holding them up?
There were reports in the paper that this might be met by proceeds from privatisation, but I don't see how that's going to escape EU Commission attention because of state aid.
However, there are many other airlines in less positive financial shape than EI that have placed aircraft orders; with such healthy prospects ahead - particularly with Open Skies, surely it's a good bet for lessors and other financial parties?
What's holding them up?