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Yes there maybe chops here and there Shamrogue as regard Waterford's spending budget, but I cannot see BIFFO and his team blowing Waterford's development completely out of the sky. Yes, you might see a hangar here and there not being built but! I think, as a whole, the main areas of the project will still go ahead.
The media have blown this so called "recession" way out of proportion! Economists last week stated that economic growth is at 0.6% and is to remain at this value for the the remaining year.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but does positive growth indicate a recession????
Be positive for a change children!
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The media have blown this so called "recession" way out of proportion! Economists last week stated that economic growth is at 0.6% and is to remain at this value for the the remaining year.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but does positive growth indicate a recession????
Be positive for a change children!
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You might think a little differently, Captain Planet, if your job was in danger. You can argue semantics if you want about official recession but major slump it surely is in our greedy and over expensive little state.
I know old people whom are stressed out completely about how they are going to fund nasty and ever growing heating bills this winter. Regulators, my @ass. More political knavery to get clowns like Biffo off the hook and put the blame out there somewhere els.
I know old people whom are stressed out completely about how they are going to fund nasty and ever growing heating bills this winter. Regulators, my @ass. More political knavery to get clowns like Biffo off the hook and put the blame out there somewhere els.
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Semantics!!!!????
The proof is there right in front of you mate.
And how did the possible withdrawl of capital expenditure from Waterford bring you on to job losses?????
On what grounds do you call Brian Cowen a clown? Surely you're not blaming the slow down on the governement. These things rotate in cycles my friend. All things must come down at one stage or another and the government are doing a bloody god job keeping the "gaff" afloat!!!!
Stick to Cork mate.
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The proof is there right in front of you mate.
And how did the possible withdrawl of capital expenditure from Waterford bring you on to job losses?????
On what grounds do you call Brian Cowen a clown? Surely you're not blaming the slow down on the governement. These things rotate in cycles my friend. All things must come down at one stage or another and the government are doing a bloody god job keeping the "gaff" afloat!!!!
Stick to Cork mate.
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I don't want to lay blame for the downturn and I also agree that it isn't as severe as people believe. I think this is partially because those under 30 have little memory of any downturn in Ireland and the under 40s are unlikely to have worked through the last one.
But it is having a huge impact on government finances. By 2006 we'd reached the point where the take from stamp duty had exceeded that from income tax. The downturn has affected the property market more than any other sector and this tax source has dried up. At the same time, income tax receipts have gone down while social welfare spending has increased. So the Department of Finance has a pretty severe shortage of cash.
So far we've been told that there will be cuts, but that they won't impact health, education or critical infrastructure. However, when you look at what is defined as critical infrastructure, it pretty much amounts to the M6, M7 and M8 motorways and the Dublin Interconnector rail tunnel. Other than those, the Department of Transport will be expected to make cuts, so they'll be doing a thorough CBA on other ongoing projects. On that basis and considering the Minister for Transport isn't from Waterford any more, I would have thought funding for the runway extension must be in some doubt.
But it is having a huge impact on government finances. By 2006 we'd reached the point where the take from stamp duty had exceeded that from income tax. The downturn has affected the property market more than any other sector and this tax source has dried up. At the same time, income tax receipts have gone down while social welfare spending has increased. So the Department of Finance has a pretty severe shortage of cash.
So far we've been told that there will be cuts, but that they won't impact health, education or critical infrastructure. However, when you look at what is defined as critical infrastructure, it pretty much amounts to the M6, M7 and M8 motorways and the Dublin Interconnector rail tunnel. Other than those, the Department of Transport will be expected to make cuts, so they'll be doing a thorough CBA on other ongoing projects. On that basis and considering the Minister for Transport isn't from Waterford any more, I would have thought funding for the runway extension must be in some doubt.
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Recession
Hi Captain Planet,
Firstly, let me say, I'm oddly one of the optomistic ones out there. In fact strangely the company I'm with are increasing employment. And there are many more out there doing the same.
However, the civil service currently has too many people in all the wrong places. Jobs for life comes to mind. Until we read yesterdays Sunday Business Post and low and behold, civil servants may be made redundant/let go/retired. So the cuts are getting more interesting.
Next unemlpoyment - when was the last time you could get an Irish builder to build an extension? an Irish plumber to fix a tap? etc etc. There has been a move for many non Irish people to move home to newer EU Nations.
.6% - this has been forecast down and down again as the year as gone on. It started somewhere around 4.5%, dropped to 2.9 and now we're at .6%.
I think the overall point is, we as a nation don't own oil wells, so we're going to have to get used to driving smaller cars, and generally pulling in the horns somewhat. With that, we've 3 "Major" airports, along with the regionals. The regionals needed to come up from being third world and they have! With big new shiny fire engines and acres of ramp. And they service the near continent and UK.
The government is being forced to pull in it's horns and it knows the public will scrutinise the spending. So, new runway for Waterford or build a school? You can guess who'll win.
On the positive side. The rest of the economy is currently going well. Building will settle down later in the year and more normal growth will begin to surface. Providing oil calms somewhat too and we get a chance to catch up.
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Firstly, let me say, I'm oddly one of the optomistic ones out there. In fact strangely the company I'm with are increasing employment. And there are many more out there doing the same.
However, the civil service currently has too many people in all the wrong places. Jobs for life comes to mind. Until we read yesterdays Sunday Business Post and low and behold, civil servants may be made redundant/let go/retired. So the cuts are getting more interesting.
Next unemlpoyment - when was the last time you could get an Irish builder to build an extension? an Irish plumber to fix a tap? etc etc. There has been a move for many non Irish people to move home to newer EU Nations.
.6% - this has been forecast down and down again as the year as gone on. It started somewhere around 4.5%, dropped to 2.9 and now we're at .6%.
I think the overall point is, we as a nation don't own oil wells, so we're going to have to get used to driving smaller cars, and generally pulling in the horns somewhat. With that, we've 3 "Major" airports, along with the regionals. The regionals needed to come up from being third world and they have! With big new shiny fire engines and acres of ramp. And they service the near continent and UK.
The government is being forced to pull in it's horns and it knows the public will scrutinise the spending. So, new runway for Waterford or build a school? You can guess who'll win.
On the positive side. The rest of the economy is currently going well. Building will settle down later in the year and more normal growth will begin to surface. Providing oil calms somewhat too and we get a chance to catch up.
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RE : Recession
Shamrogue,
I could not agree more with you about your comment on civil servants. I think that they are one of the biggest drain on resources and "mullah" in the state!! Privatise privatise privatise!!!
That would be an interesting topic, the government has been known to do rather un-orthodox things in the past! I agree with what you are saying though. I was just saying that yes the belts maybe tightened, but I think that the main agenda in EIWF and other regionals too shall be fulfilled.
We'll live and hope!
Best wishes Shamrogue.
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I could not agree more with you about your comment on civil servants. I think that they are one of the biggest drain on resources and "mullah" in the state!! Privatise privatise privatise!!!
The government is being forced to pull in it's horns and it knows the public will scrutinise the spending. So, new runway for Waterford or build a school? You can guess who'll win.
That would be an interesting topic, the government has been known to do rather un-orthodox things in the past! I agree with what you are saying though. I was just saying that yes the belts maybe tightened, but I think that the main agenda in EIWF and other regionals too shall be fulfilled.We'll live and hope!
Best wishes Shamrogue.
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On a slightly meandering comment.
I note the fares on routes such as Malaga and Faro are exceptionally good value, even more so than FR or EI for October. Also of note, the 1st October flight to Malaga is completely full. So perhaps there's life in the old dog yet.
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I note the fares on routes such as Malaga and Faro are exceptionally good value, even more so than FR or EI for October. Also of note, the 1st October flight to Malaga is completely full. So perhaps there's life in the old dog yet.
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Aer Arann have announced that they will take over the operation of Waterford Amsterdam with an ATR72-500. The service will change from September and increase from 4 to 5 flights weekly.
They will continue the current rotation GWY WAT AMS WAT GWY which seems to be working well.
Be suprised if the fuel guzzler of a 146 will continue after September on any routes from Galway or Waterford.
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They will continue the current rotation GWY WAT AMS WAT GWY which seems to be working well.
Be suprised if the fuel guzzler of a 146 will continue after September on any routes from Galway or Waterford.
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Some brains at last - far better to send one of the smashing new ATR-72-500s to Amsterdam. If anything they should go daily Galway - Waterford - Amsterdam. What about a joint order from EI/RE for some 99 seat ERJ-190s? Got to be good if these machines are cheaper to fill with gas than 737-600/A318/737-500/146 and fly away to destinations in the 2 hour +/- market?
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It looks like it's OK range-wise. WAT-AMS is around 500NM, so it's comfortably inside the 890NM range. I reckon you're looking at over 2 hours for WAT-AMS though in an ATR72-500. Add on the time on the ground and the time to Galway and you must be looking ast around three hours. That is a long time to be sitting on an aircraft that size.
I'd say WAT-AMS won't take more than 1:45 hrs +/- the actual wind. I have done lots of charters when I was flying the AT75 that was around 4:00 flight time each way. Long yes - but the -500 is quite comfortable as a pax. Except from the speed I prefer this model as a pax rather than the Q400.
So if all in all it should take 3 hrs, it isn't that bad after all when looking at what other options you have to get to AMS from GWY or WAT
So if all in all it should take 3 hrs, it isn't that bad after all when looking at what other options you have to get to AMS from GWY or WAT
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Hi All
Aer Arann have now taken over Galway/Waterford to Bordeaux from Nex Aviation. The remaining services will be operated with an ATR72-500.
This leaves Nex with just Faro & Malaga.
I hear that one 146 has wet lease work already lined up for the winter.
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Aer Arann have now taken over Galway/Waterford to Bordeaux from Nex Aviation. The remaining services will be operated with an ATR72-500.
This leaves Nex with just Faro & Malaga.
I hear that one 146 has wet lease work already lined up for the winter.
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Unfortunately there are only a handfull of flights left until the end of season.
Might give Aer Arann the taste to operate the service next year.
Nex ran with an average of 80-90 passengers per flight with the 146 which hit Aer Arann on the Lorient service badly.
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Might give Aer Arann the taste to operate the service next year.
Nex ran with an average of 80-90 passengers per flight with the 146 which hit Aer Arann on the Lorient service badly.
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