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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 07:36
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Sounds like a winning recipe!!
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 09:07
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Well, at least they give it a try. It is the best Waterford can hope for, realistically.

As for being cheapskates - that's true, but I have seen too many start-ups investing in over-the-top marketing, designer office furniture, flashy cars for the executives only to go bancrupt sooner than later.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 09:08
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Come on - this is a startup company which has very limited resources and for which every penny counts. Try to be a bit forgiving
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 10:21
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Come on - this is a startup company which has very limited resources and for which every penny counts. Try to be a bit forgiving
The difference between one domain hoster and another might be $10 or $20 per annum ... come on!

That SF340 photo came from Saab Leasing's website, perhaps they are leasing an aircraft from them, perhaps not, the photo is copyrighted, perhaps they have permission, perhaps not.

A friend of mine, some 20 years back, was to start an airline, I advised him to have a pic of the aircraft on the tarmac with the crew in all their shiny braid and trolley dolly attire there to impress.
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I also advised another start-up wannabe friend to publicise an up-market in flight service (to justify the non loco fares), minimal check-in times and all that nonsense, all Aer SouthEast have is a fake photo of a geriatric aircraft supposedly in their livery.

This has all the signs of a schoolboy project!

P.S. Don't Icelandic's have something of a track record regarding airline failure's and monies being absconded?
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 10:52
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Well, they are starting at the end of July and as I understand it, the aircraft will be operated by an established operator. Do you expect them to lease an aircraft one month early just to be able to take nice pictures?

While I understand your points, they are much more relevant if an airline starts in a competitive environment. Aer Southeast is competing with no-one at WAT. The various gimmicks you mention will probably be only relevant for those who are willing to drive to DUB just to save 10 or 20 EUR and they are certainly not the prime target group of Aer Southeast. For them, it is most important to spread the news that a London service is available from WAT again and to have a distribution channel. If they need to attract customers by handing out free food and dolling up flight attendants, they are doomed anyway.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 12:39
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I`ve seen Air Lipican mentioned as the actual carrier, forgive me if I`m wrong, but this looks a bit like Citywing and Van Air from the set up
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 12:41
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For them, it is most important to spread the news that a London service is available from WAT

You haven't tried booking on their website have you? ... They are not operating to London, not even to London-Luton ... They are operating to some place called Luton
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 12:45
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You haven't tried booking on their website have you? ... They are not operating to London, not even to London-Luton ... They are operating to some place called Luton
Refreshing honesty there!
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 13:54
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I've just tried to make a booking on their website. It tells me there are no flights on any of the dates I tried despite those dates being highlighted on their calender. Good start.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 15:05
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
You haven't tried booking on their website have you? ... They are not operating to London, not even to London-Luton ... They are operating to some place called Luton
I guess they have invested in some legal advice on misleading advertising instead of fancy marketing gimmicks

If am not mistaken, LTN has been the London gateway since the days of Ryanair Budgies, so no big loss here.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 19:37
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Originally Posted by virginblue
I guess they have invested in some legal advice on misleading advertising instead of fancy marketing gimmicks

If am not mistaken, LTN has been the London gateway since the days of Ryanair Budgies, so no big loss here.
You'd be surprised at the number of international travellers that don't know where Luton is, much the same as many don't know where Stansted Mountfitchet, Gatwick, Southend-On-Sea etc. are and that is why they are prefixed with 'London'.
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Well. I guess that the first thing international travellers wanting to travel to Waterford by air will do is to do a google search if there is an airport at all and what services are available (and they will be the far smaller group of customers of the airline as the service is clearly targeted at the outbound crowd, not the inbound crowd). It seems very unlikely these punters from abroad will go straight to "www.aersoutheast.com", see "Luton" and come to the conclusion that there is no London service.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 22:16
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That's exactly it Virgin Blue, the challenge for any carrier is to draw awareness and do so with very very limited budget. That is the biggest challenge, even above price...
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 01:11
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
That's exactly it Virgin Blue, the challenge for any carrier is to draw awareness and do so with very very limited budget. That is the biggest challenge, even above price...
And how much of a budget does it drain to have in a booking engine "London-Luton" as opposed to "Luton" and how much of a budget does it drain to spell "career" as "career" and not "carrier"?

Aer Southeast. For them, it is most important to spread the news that a London service is available from WAT again
You missed my point virginblue, I agree that a priority should be to spread the news that a London service is available again but they couldn't even manage that and all it would have taken would be to put "London-Luton" in their booking engine.

The guy behind this supposedly has 25 years in aviation, whenever I've read that sort of marketing previously they have elaborated detailing a bit more of a career background, whether management, CEO or whatever.

The website has gone up before it has been built, 'one liners', complete with spelling mistakes, are being added, anyone in aviation marketing would describe Luton as "London-Luton", there's a pic of a SF340 that is straight from a Google Images search of "Saab 340" that has been paint shopped and not very well at that, it goes on and on.

It is apparent that this is a one-man show and I'd question what he's been doing for his 25 years in aviation, an engineer, a traffic officer, check-in clerk, pilot, because it doesn't seem like he's got much, if anything, of a commercial background.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 09:44
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Well, as I said, it is this offering or none at all. I prefer to applaud people who actually start-up a business. I do not want to talk their effort down from my armchair.

It is not as if Waterford airport or the people of Waterford could choose between a dozen of blue-chip airlines begging to serve them.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 11:21
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Harry,

That is correct, they should label things properly, the outfit seems amateurish, but I wish them well.

From a marketing and launch perspective they need to be bold and think outside the box, i'd focus heavily on Waterford area, what event could they get tagged with to get them in the news. Like and share promotions to win flights, focussing on VFR and in tandem approach any industry in the area for corporate deals, not close to the examples but any in the agri sector, they'll need to do their homework. The like and share will spread the word to relations and friends on the GB side... that would be the strategy, both strands in tandem....
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 11:42
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Well, as I said, it is this offering or none at all. I prefer to applaud people who actually start-up a business. .
Ever heard of Brighton City Airways?
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 11:49
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The two people running Brighton City Airways had just come out of the army and had almost zero commercial aviation experience whatsoever.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 12:03
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
The two people running Brighton City Airways had just come out of the army and had almost zero commercial aviation experience whatsoever.
Ah ... But the guy in charge of this shower has 25 years in aviation ... He could just be out of 25 years military aviation!
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 12:18
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Harry - I'm sure your intentions are good but perhaps you might like to email your suggestions directly to Aer South East ? If they really are struggling to know how to run an airline, they may well be grateful to hear the ideas from someone with lots of experience. Maybe you could take on some kind of business mentor to them ? Would give you the kudos of having been actively involved in bringing a fledgling airline into reality
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