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Chevvron, I know a bit about the FR Polish routes and would say that the poorest performing by far is Szczecin. Yes it is the one that only has FR on it and some of the others are being served by one or more other carriers- but it is not the route that you believe it is. It still involves a lot of hard work, compared to the others which just fly off the shelve. Eastern European wise Kaunas is the winner!!
On the subject of Esperia Aer, the website is in its infancy- EUjets was
at the start also- was great at the end- looked really cosher- pity the airline couldn't be the same. From what I hear there is proper money behind Esperia- but then again who would want to start an airline in Europe at the moment? But saying that best of luck Esperia!
On the subject of Esperia Aer, the website is in its infancy- EUjets was
at the start also- was great at the end- looked really cosher- pity the airline couldn't be the same. From what I hear there is proper money behind Esperia- but then again who would want to start an airline in Europe at the moment? But saying that best of luck Esperia!
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From what I hear Esperia are not talking to Navitaire, but are in negotiations with another booking engine provider currently. So it does look serious!
Esperia List of Things to do;
1) Get cheaper solution to Navitaire for Booking Engine and Revenue Management System
2) Get website up and running
3) Relook at suggested routes from Kent International
4) MD 83 are we sure?
5) Hire the right people!!
6) Think about this whole airline lark again, and decide you would be better off putting all your money on the spin of a roulette wheel in Vegas.
List is not in order, and there are 1 million other things to do!
Esperia List of Things to do;
1) Get cheaper solution to Navitaire for Booking Engine and Revenue Management System
2) Get website up and running
3) Relook at suggested routes from Kent International
4) MD 83 are we sure?
5) Hire the right people!!
6) Think about this whole airline lark again, and decide you would be better off putting all your money on the spin of a roulette wheel in Vegas.
List is not in order, and there are 1 million other things to do!
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Originally Posted by Jes
Let's ignore catflaps, chaps. He has the smell of MAG about him, and is using this aviation forum to undermine aviation.
As BA says, the Norfolk flights will bring tourists into the area. The start-up costs are split 50/50 USA/UK. I spoke to a TDC councillor last night, who told me that TDC is putting in £10,000, and this was not a council decision, but was made by a council officer.
There is a small group of whingers in Thanet, including, of course, MAG, who drone on ad infinitum, but never put themselves before the electorate. They don't represent anyone but themselves.
As BA says, the Norfolk flights will bring tourists into the area. The start-up costs are split 50/50 USA/UK. I spoke to a TDC councillor last night, who told me that TDC is putting in £10,000, and this was not a council decision, but was made by a council officer.
There is a small group of whingers in Thanet, including, of course, MAG, who drone on ad infinitum, but never put themselves before the electorate. They don't represent anyone but themselves.
So will these flights be done with a MON 757
Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
Esperia Aer's website is crap. Their doomed to failure already unfortunately 
Originally Posted by bacardi walla
I sense a certain Irish chap lurking behind a certain Greek chap and I bet the fleet colours (if they get off the ground) will be blue and white
and that would be cool if Esperia get an MD-83
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Hi There,
Just wanted to know apart from whats been discussed on here so far, does anyone know if any of the UK Tour Ops are looking at doing summer charters to the med or anything, not sure if Manston has the demand for that yet or not but looks like only Seguro are there for next summer. Anyone know if any more med routes are likely to arrive.
Cheers
Just wanted to know apart from whats been discussed on here so far, does anyone know if any of the UK Tour Ops are looking at doing summer charters to the med or anything, not sure if Manston has the demand for that yet or not but looks like only Seguro are there for next summer. Anyone know if any more med routes are likely to arrive.
Cheers
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There is a spotters' section in this site.
Does it matter whether it's a 757 or MD-83 etc. etc.? (19-y-o James says Esperia is doomed, then drools over the prospect of MD-83s)
It's all about building routes.
My inference on the Irishman was McGoldrick, not O'Leary.
Does it matter whether it's a 757 or MD-83 etc. etc.? (19-y-o James says Esperia is doomed, then drools over the prospect of MD-83s)
It's all about building routes.
My inference on the Irishman was McGoldrick, not O'Leary.
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PJ McGoldrick has no interest in Esperia Aer, and neither has Stuart McGoldrick former Commercial Director of Planestation. PJ has retired.
Would be fun if it was O'Leary! or God- or actually are they one in the same??
Everybody keeps talking about Esperia's website- it is early stages and they are not yet selling- so wait and see!!
It always amazes me how many people are doom merchants- but if you put them into a start up airline they wouldn't know what to do- and would themselves. After being involved in a number of start up airlines myself as well as traditional ones, I would go for a start up one any time! What a buzz, and even though you know your job is not safe, and you could be out on your a** at a moments notice, its brilliant! Its your baby and you can mold it in the way you want!!!
Oh no I have left the industry and I can feel as I write this the buzz coming back... must leave forum...ahhhhh
Would be fun if it was O'Leary! or God- or actually are they one in the same??
Everybody keeps talking about Esperia's
website- it is early stages and they are not yet selling- so wait and see!!It always amazes me how many people are doom merchants- but if you put them into a start up airline they wouldn't know what to do- and would
themselves. After being involved in a number of start up airlines myself as well as traditional ones, I would go for a start up one any time! What a buzz, and even though you know your job is not safe, and you could be out on your a** at a moments notice, its brilliant! Its your baby and you can mold it in the way you want!!!Oh no I have left the industry and I can feel as I write this the buzz coming back... must leave forum...ahhhhh
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I appreciate that everyone wants to get really carried away with announcements of jam tomorrow, and I really don't want to be a party pooper, but is it not true that the some of the current flights are arriving and departing pretty empty? At the end of the day, it wasn't a lack of routes that scuppered EUjet from Manston, it was lack of passengers. Unless these flights are being filled I can't see why they won't go the same way as EUjet.
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Most of the posts made, are from doom merchants. I think that Manston in the longer term will work, The location is good, Rail links will inprove.
I fly perhaps only two three times year.
I tend to go to the airport with the right flight at the right price, been to bournemouth, southampton,east midland all from Herne Bay.
I find Heathrow and the larger airports so stressful, parking crossing London m25 it's not worth it.
Thanet is inproving with investment and so will manston.
I think that Manston in the longer term will work, The location is good, Rail links will inprove.I fly perhaps only two three times year.
I tend to go to the airport with the right flight at the right price, been to bournemouth, southampton,east midland all from Herne Bay.
I find Heathrow and the larger airports so stressful, parking crossing London m25 it's not worth it.
Thanet is inproving with investment and so will manston.
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a greek/irish tragedy ?
Oh you rotten scoundrels, please dont tell me that this could be another mac gold dicks venture (or miss adventure) someone do some digging before we all get let down again
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It is not PJ McGoldrick! Again PJ has retired! MSE has potential- the passenger numbers were coming for EUjet and they carried more people than any of the 'doom' merchants on this site predicted. All new airlines need a bottomless pity, regretfully, for the first two years of business, EUjet could have worked if it had this 'bottomless pit'. It had some very good management and alot of dedicated people who gave their all. A good few of the EUjet management are now down in the Middle East and for anybody who knows are all doing really really well. Two of the airlines turning profits in their first years service. What EUjet needed was time- which regretfully it didn't have!
An airline can work from MSE, it just needs time and the right marketing message. Herne Bay is right, the easyness of MSE as an airport appealed to everyone who used it, 'Small Airport Big Heart'- I know before anyone jumps on me that slogin is ORKs, but it could work for MSE.
An airline can work from MSE, it just needs time and the right marketing message. Herne Bay is right, the easyness of MSE as an airport appealed to everyone who used it, 'Small Airport Big Heart'- I know before anyone jumps on me that slogin is ORKs, but it could work for MSE.
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Re - lack of passengers.
Seguro last Thursday AM
Arrival Barcelona - 8 passengers.
Depart Faro - 41 passengers.
Aircraft is an A320 reported in local rag as capacity 179 pax (although I thought A320's held 150)
Seguro last Thursday AM
Arrival Barcelona - 8 passengers.
Depart Faro - 41 passengers.
Aircraft is an A320 reported in local rag as capacity 179 pax (although I thought A320's held 150)
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Originally Posted by Jes
There is a spotters' section in this site.
Does it matter whether it's a 757 or MD-83 etc. etc.? (19-y-o James says Esperia is doomed, then drools over the prospect of MD-83s)
It's all about building routes.
My inference on the Irishman was McGoldrick, not O'Leary.
Does it matter whether it's a 757 or MD-83 etc. etc.? (19-y-o James says Esperia is doomed, then drools over the prospect of MD-83s)
It's all about building routes.
My inference on the Irishman was McGoldrick, not O'Leary.
No I am hopeing that Esperia Air would start from Manston.But its the website just looks like some school boys work.And I was only joking about O'Leary
Originally Posted by catflaps
At the end of the day, it wasn't a lack of routes that scuppered EUjet from Manston, it was lack of passengers. Unless these flights are being filled I can't see why they won't go the same way as EUjet.
Now its the school Summer hoildays lets see if this will boost Manston as I would off liked EUjet go through August James
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Please!
It is common knowledge that Eu jet collapsed because of planestation / Wiggins assets non performing in other areas of property investments as well as airport infrastructures, anyone who worked within the operation in Eu jet times are well aware that certain routes were a dead sert.
As Kent keeps getting the new business in, the airport keeps a hold of it, and broadly plans ahead for it.
Thankfully new permanent staff are on the horizon for the planned new business and I actually have a skip in my step for the first time in over a year.
Nothing is perfect, but can we concentrate on the facts.
It is common knowledge that Eu jet collapsed because of planestation / Wiggins assets non performing in other areas of property investments as well as airport infrastructures, anyone who worked within the operation in Eu jet times are well aware that certain routes were a dead sert.
As Kent keeps getting the new business in, the airport keeps a hold of it, and broadly plans ahead for it.
Thankfully new permanent staff are on the horizon for the planned new business and I actually have a skip in my step for the first time in over a year.
Nothing is perfect, but can we concentrate on the facts.
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billygoat,
Let's indeed concentrate on the facts. The facts are that EUjet was losing money hand over fist. They were boosting numbers on the flights by offering discounts, but they still weren't filling them. To prevent EUjet from collapsing, Planestation stepped in and bought them. EUjet continued losing money and it brought the whole company down. Many people from Kent were left out of pocket and many were left standed abroad. It will be a long time before they forget that experience and listen to the kind of glossy, superficial, clap-trap that you are spouting.
Let's indeed concentrate on the facts. The facts are that EUjet was losing money hand over fist. They were boosting numbers on the flights by offering discounts, but they still weren't filling them. To prevent EUjet from collapsing, Planestation stepped in and bought them. EUjet continued losing money and it brought the whole company down. Many people from Kent were left out of pocket and many were left standed abroad. It will be a long time before they forget that experience and listen to the kind of glossy, superficial, clap-trap that you are spouting.
Originally Posted by billygoat
It is common knowledge that Eu jet collapsed because of planestation / Wiggins assets non performing in other areas of property investments as well as airport infrastructures
You seem to suggest that EUjet were performing well. I would beg to differ. As a former shareholder in the Planestation Group, I took a lot of interest in the passenger figures, and kept a close eye on the CAA statistics for Manston. Overall, EUjet's passenger loads struggled to exceed 40% throughout their brief history. So unless passengers were paying a huge premium for their tickets, the economics must have been diabolical. And I know that there were several promotions in which thousands of tickets were sold at discounted rates or given away.....
EUjet were a disaster. They launched with an absurd number of routes, they did so from an airport with little history of passenger operations, they used inappropriate aircraft, and they launched at the wrong time of year. Planestation were a sickly and struggling company themselves, but EUjet killed them. Planestation, as a whole, including EUjet, went into administration when their bank refused to increase their already whopping overdraft. Why did they pull the plug? Because they quite correctly recognised that if EUjet was losing money hand over fist in the middle of summer, there was no prospect of them ever making a profit, and that the increasing debts were threatening to eat away at the limited asset value of the property / airport side of the business - the banks collateral.
Interestingly, Manston Airport was subsequently purchased from the administrators by Infratil, but no one would touch EUjet. I wonder why.
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Catflaps- I know for a fact that you have no idea of the Revenue and Yield that EUjet brought in during her time in operation! It was Planestation and Wiggind bad management over many years that contributed heavily to the firms demise and the loss of so many jobs!
EUjets passenger figures for August last year were excellent- even the poorer routes had good numbers of forward bookings- the company went dead because of Bank of Scotland decision to pull their overdraft facility. EUjet was in the Middle of a potential management takeover at the time, and because nothing could be done due to legal reasons for the purchase to continue it collapsed. EUjet and MSE were viable business. EUjet SNN routes were all doing really well, and had fantastic potential- hence why there were investors interested in continuing EUjet!
You mention Facts, Catflaps, but you need to make sure you have all of yours to hand, and that you don't sound like a former Wiggins employee who was happy with MK flying in and a few charter flights a year- and EUjet caused a bit of excitment- a new challenge and scared the out of you!
EUjets passenger figures for August last year were excellent- even the poorer routes had good numbers of forward bookings- the company went dead because of Bank of Scotland decision to pull their overdraft facility. EUjet was in the Middle of a potential management takeover at the time, and because nothing could be done due to legal reasons for the purchase to continue it collapsed. EUjet and MSE were viable business. EUjet SNN routes were all doing really well, and had fantastic potential- hence why there were investors interested in continuing EUjet!
You mention Facts, Catflaps, but you need to make sure you have all of yours to hand, and that you don't sound like a former Wiggins employee who was happy with MK flying in and a few charter flights a year- and EUjet caused a bit of excitment- a new challenge and scared the
out of you!