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It's a small price to pay for Stobart to enter the Irish market.
Stobart’s introduction will also benefit the logistics firm. “The association with Aer Arann, which is a household name in Ireland, would further strengthen and develop Stobart’s position in the Irish market which has grown from no presence to a €40 million business in two years,” says the freight company.
Stobart’s introduction will also benefit the logistics firm. “The association with Aer Arann, which is a household name in Ireland, would further strengthen and develop Stobart’s position in the Irish market which has grown from no presence to a €40 million business in two years,” says the freight company.
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A direct rail line from Southend Airport to Liverpool st station in less than an hour would certainly be an option for London bound passengers.
Seems quite plausible that Aer Arann with its new investor could run an operation out of Southend carrying freight by night similar to what Jet2/Channex does.
Seems quite plausible that Aer Arann with its new investor could run an operation out of Southend carrying freight by night similar to what Jet2/Channex does.
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Transferring LTN flights will be a big gamble.
Firstly the LTN routes i understand are amongst the most profitable in their network and secondly Luton has a large Irish population of its own and a high percetage of passengers on these routes may not necessarily originate from London.
Will watch with interest.
Firstly the LTN routes i understand are amongst the most profitable in their network and secondly Luton has a large Irish population of its own and a high percetage of passengers on these routes may not necessarily originate from London.
Will watch with interest.
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...... and it never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot see when a situation is totally different.
If you really think that a redeveloped SEN can only offer the same potential as can MSE I'm extremely surprised. I'm sure the management at MSE would be as well.
...... and it never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot see when a situation is totally different.
If you really think that a redeveloped SEN can only offer the same potential as can MSE I'm extremely surprised. I'm sure the management at MSE would be as well.
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Some people seem to be getting a bit carried away here...the only announcement so far from Stobart is that they will invest 2.5million to support flights out of Southend.
No one from Stobart or Aer Arann have said anything about pulling Luton routes at this stage - sure that may change but some seem to think its a foregone conclusion.
It could be that LTN retains WAT & GWY, LCY retains IOM, and SEN acquires other routes such as DUB or SNN/ NOC etc they may even launch other internal UK flights who knows. Could be that one of the daily rotations is moved from LTN to SEN.
SEN has had immense development recently with new control tower I believe runway extension in works, apron extension terminal overhaul and the Liverpool St rail line extension.
Stobart aren't a stupid company even though 2.5million sounds quite small, they're highly unlikely to throw good money at something if they didn't think it had reasonable chances.
Personally, geographically I think both SEN and LTN could work, LTN is north of London and has a large catchment area of it's own. SEN is well to the East effectively opening up East London, South Essex, Kent.
Another way to look at it, is that Stansted and Luton aren't that far apart. Ryanair operates Irish destinations to both airports. If anything geographically SEN and LTN are further apart which suggests both could operate together.
Just a few thoughts!
No one from Stobart or Aer Arann have said anything about pulling Luton routes at this stage - sure that may change but some seem to think its a foregone conclusion.
It could be that LTN retains WAT & GWY, LCY retains IOM, and SEN acquires other routes such as DUB or SNN/ NOC etc they may even launch other internal UK flights who knows. Could be that one of the daily rotations is moved from LTN to SEN.
SEN has had immense development recently with new control tower I believe runway extension in works, apron extension terminal overhaul and the Liverpool St rail line extension.
Stobart aren't a stupid company even though 2.5million sounds quite small, they're highly unlikely to throw good money at something if they didn't think it had reasonable chances.
Personally, geographically I think both SEN and LTN could work, LTN is north of London and has a large catchment area of it's own. SEN is well to the East effectively opening up East London, South Essex, Kent.
Another way to look at it, is that Stansted and Luton aren't that far apart. Ryanair operates Irish destinations to both airports. If anything geographically SEN and LTN are further apart which suggests both could operate together.
Just a few thoughts!
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I'm not sure how SEN will work, but I do hope it works. Aer Arann needs to bolster it's services around Irish regional airports. Aer Arann could easily have stepped in when Ryanair pulled out of Belfast City. And back in March, if it had been more careful and planned, it could have run three new routes out of Derry, with the inclusion of Bristol... which would have ensured stability of that base/over night aircraft stay.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't look back at history as a precursor to what the future may hold. Anyone that has been around a bit will remember a certain Irish based Fokker operator that flew into a certain Southern UK airport that was then touted as being the next best thing.
However, the guys at Stobart have said that there are x number of people (cant remember the precise number, it was in article in aviation mag in Aug, Airports I think, poss x no. of million) are living with 30 mins radius of Southend airport and he contends that if they can engage these locals to view Southend as their airport this is half the battle.
Furthermore they feel that the 2012 olympics will firmly put them on the map. We need to be optimistic.
For Aer Arann I think the future is green with shamrocks and the regional business can give them a good chance with T2 lets hope that T2 gets the right press around EU and USA as a good transit point for connections.
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Surely you have answered your own question air ferries? Or have you been in the rainforest for the last few months of Aer arran's plight. All I know is that they should be focusing on their key routes and expanding the Aer Lingus work not being a play thing for some rich guy. Even flybe won't touch Southend with a barge pole, think that speaks volumes.
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Firstly the LTN routes i understand are amongst the most profitable in their network
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"The BIG question is will the 2.5 million Stobard incentivisation be sufficient to keep the creditors at bay?"
The €2.5m is Stobarts investment in the Southend route development and marketing according to the press release. It's only part of the story, apparently the total investment needed is over €10m, though no details on the backing secured yet. It sounds like business as usual with the same team and business model on the Irish side.
The €2.5m is Stobarts investment in the Southend route development and marketing according to the press release. It's only part of the story, apparently the total investment needed is over €10m, though no details on the backing secured yet. It sounds like business as usual with the same team and business model on the Irish side.
One thing to remember here is that this story leaked prematurely in the Irish Press at the weekend, otherwise it would have been announced in due course with the details of the total new investment of some 10 million Euros. Stobarts 2.5 million Euros would then have been seen for what it is and there would not be this wild talk of "Stobarts buying Aer Arann".
Personally, I don't think it very wise to transfer the LTN routes to SEN and I don't see it as necessary in view of the fact that they wouldn't be operated by SEN-based aircraft anyway. My guess is that the SEN base will offer RE the chance to start new routes to UK and near European destinations which will result in their being less reliant on the depressed Irish market. It's no secret that RE have long expressed an interest in using SEN to commence services to Benelux and France (see the York Aviation report January 2006) so, together with Dublin, I would expect a few European destinations to feature. It's probable that RE was planning to use the revitalised SEN in 2011 before its financial problems arose and that situation has simply allowed Stobarts the opportunity to take a small equity stake in RE and thus give it a bit of leverage to influence the SEN operation.
I suggest we all await the formal announcement of this deal and all the details - if and when the conditional matters are settled - before we make judgements on whether or not it will work.
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I know Flybe is off-topic, but your saying "flybe won't touch Southend with a barge pole" shows that you are, as usual, shooting from the hip without any knowledge whatever of the true situation. By the way it's Aer Arann, not Aer Arran.
Personally, I don't think it very wise to transfer the LTN routes to SEN and I don't see it as necessary in view of the fact that they wouldn't be operated by SEN-based aircraft anyway. My guess is that the SEN base will offer RE the chance to start new routes to UK and near European destinations which will result in their being less reliant on the depressed Irish market. It's no secret that RE have long expressed an interest in using SEN to commence services to Benelux and France (see the York Aviation report January 2006) so, together with Dublin, I would expect a few European destinations to feature. It's probable that RE was planning to use the revitalised SEN in 2011 before its financial problems arose and that situation has simply allowed Stobarts the opportunity to take a small equity stake in RE and thus give it a bit of leverage to influence the SEN operation.
I suggest we all await the formal announcement of this deal and all the details - if and when the conditional matters are settled - before we make judgements on whether or not it will work.
second coming
I know Flybe is off-topic, but your saying "flybe won't touch Southend with a barge pole" shows that you are, as usual, shooting from the hip without any knowledge whatever of the true situation. By the way it's Aer Arann, not Aer Arran.
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Noticed recently at LCY Scot Airways D328 sporting a small Aer Arann logo.
I had read that a CB D328 was operating the route. Is this a long term arrangement. Anyone know reason behind it??
I had read that a CB D328 was operating the route. Is this a long term arrangement. Anyone know reason behind it??
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Well pretty much every airport in the land has charter flights to Jersey, don't think that really counts. Aer Arann should be feeding Aer Lingus's main hubs of Dublin, Cork and Shannon. Their smallest plane is the A320 for goodness sake.
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RE a few months ago announced that they were ending there ORK-BHD route. The reason that was given was that one of the AT4's was leaving the fleet to return to lessor. Did this actually happen?. If yes what aircraft was returned??.
When it comes to the rest of the aircraft in the fleet (not including a/c operated for EI). Does anyone know if anymore leases are due to end in the near future?.
RE's fleet of 4 or 5 ATR42's have been in commercial service for between 20 and 24 years old and the 2 ATR72's (not including the ATR72-500's operating as EI Regional) have been in service 19 years. Surely these are some of the least fuel efficent ATR's in service and are constantly in need of maintenance. Maybe now a new investor in RE has been found is the time to look at replacing the aircraft as there current leases end with a newer aircraft rather than just renewing the leases on the current fleet.
I take it you mean feeder flights from other airports in Ireland since RE already operate flights linking a number of UK airports and EI's DUB, ORK and SNN hubs as Aer Lingus Regional brand. If Aer Arann set up these domestic feeder flights would you have them operate under the Aer Arann name or under the Aer Lingus Regional brand.
When it comes to the rest of the aircraft in the fleet (not including a/c operated for EI). Does anyone know if anymore leases are due to end in the near future?.
RE's fleet of 4 or 5 ATR42's have been in commercial service for between 20 and 24 years old and the 2 ATR72's (not including the ATR72-500's operating as EI Regional) have been in service 19 years. Surely these are some of the least fuel efficent ATR's in service and are constantly in need of maintenance. Maybe now a new investor in RE has been found is the time to look at replacing the aircraft as there current leases end with a newer aircraft rather than just renewing the leases on the current fleet.
Originally Posted by second coming
Aer Arann should be feeding Aer Lingus's main hubs of Dublin, Cork and Shannon. Their smallest plane is the A320 for goodness sake.
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I wasn't talking about the current Flybe JER summer service, as most people on here will have realised, but this is not the thread on which to discuss that any further.
I wasn't talking about the current Flybe JER summer service, as most people on here will have realised, but this is not the thread on which to discuss that any further.
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From what i've heard
EI-CVR has already left the fleet
EI-EHH away on maintenance and D328 covering IOM
EI-SLN the 3rd Air Contractors aircraft is currently in SNN being painted dont know if its in Aer Lingus or Aer Arann scheme
5Q
EI-CVR has already left the fleet
EI-EHH away on maintenance and D328 covering IOM
EI-SLN the 3rd Air Contractors aircraft is currently in SNN being painted dont know if its in Aer Lingus or Aer Arann scheme
5Q