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LHR Delays
My BD 17:00 to MAN was cancelled (Bad Weather!!!) was put on 18:45 which didn't leave stand till 19:20 to joint the departing queue at 27L.
Noted a few other delays too.
Noted a few other delays too.
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End of KLM LHR-EIN?
From todays Daily Telegraph:
Pieter Elbers, KLM's network chief, said the joint venture's transatlantic services had grown by 40pc in the last two years to 275 flights a week. It represents 20pc-22pc of KLM's revenues and 10pc-15pc of Northwest's.
He said the pair had found take-off and landing slots for the new Heathrow services by "reshuffling our existing portfolio" rather than buying slots in the grey market, where they can change hands for more than £10m.
Between them, Air France-KLM own 27 Heathrow slot pairs. KLM, with 15, is dropping two flights to Eindhoven and one to Rotterdam and leasing the three slot pairs to Northwest. It is maintaining 10 daily flights to Amsterdam.
Pieter Elbers, KLM's network chief, said the joint venture's transatlantic services had grown by 40pc in the last two years to 275 flights a week. It represents 20pc-22pc of KLM's revenues and 10pc-15pc of Northwest's.
He said the pair had found take-off and landing slots for the new Heathrow services by "reshuffling our existing portfolio" rather than buying slots in the grey market, where they can change hands for more than £10m.
Between them, Air France-KLM own 27 Heathrow slot pairs. KLM, with 15, is dropping two flights to Eindhoven and one to Rotterdam and leasing the three slot pairs to Northwest. It is maintaining 10 daily flights to Amsterdam.
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So....replacing a few puddle jumpers with wide bodies? BAA must be wetting themselves at the thought of all those extra pax. And we mere mortals who travel often will go elsewhere (AMS!) to avoid the inevitable increase in queues to get out (check in, security) or queues to get in (immigration, baggage hall)
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Haven't a clue - if it's so awful it wouldn't make much commercial sense putting these routes on then would it ? One would hope that there is / has been some consultation between the airlines, BAA and ACL around optimum and practical use of runway and terminal space.
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The Rotterdam service has always really been about holding on to the slots. Certainly, it carries a pretty large proportion of business passengers, but come next year, Rotterdam will only be 25 minutes from Schiphol by train. With the Channel Tunnel rail link and the HSL Zuid line in Holland/Belgium, you could theoretically do Rotterdam-London in under 3 hours on the train.
If KLM were committed to the route, they wouldn't still be operating Fokker 50s on it. Now that Open Skies are here, there are much more profitable uses for the slots.
If KLM were committed to the route, they wouldn't still be operating Fokker 50s on it. Now that Open Skies are here, there are much more profitable uses for the slots.
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Longhaul from the provinces
Having been in Business Travel for 40 odd years I have seen many changes but the biggest has been the emergence of the Arab carriers and their services worldwide through their Gulf hubs.I book far more travellers,both business and leisure.through DXB,DOH and AUH from MAN (and NCL/BHX inthe case of EK) to the expense of LHR.two reasons 1,Terminal changes in LHR and a general litany of delays and lost baggage
2.The very good on board service on the Gulf carriers
Of course we also still use the Provincial connections of KL,LH,AF and LX
through their European Hubs and Westbound the US carriers flying directly from MAN,GLA and EDI not forgetting BD out of MAN to ORD and onwards on UA.
Heathrow is only used as a last resort
2.The very good on board service on the Gulf carriers
Of course we also still use the Provincial connections of KL,LH,AF and LX
through their European Hubs and Westbound the US carriers flying directly from MAN,GLA and EDI not forgetting BD out of MAN to ORD and onwards on UA.
Heathrow is only used as a last resort
Paxing All Over The World
Are driverless pods the future?
No, not the aircraft but on the ground. This today on BBC:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/newrepl...te=1&p=3766905
There are no drivers, no rails, no timetables and no emissions. But, most importantly for passengers, there are no queues.
Welcome to the world's first personal rapid transport system (PRT).
But while these low-energy, driverless pod-shaped vehicles may look like something from sci-fi epic Bladerunner, they are about to become British transport reality.
In less than two years' time, after the opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5 in March 2008, a network of 18 of these four-seater capsules will be ferrying passengers to and from a business car park to the new terminal building.
Don't get me started on why this is only announced to be running a year after T5 opens. OR whether it will open on time. Sorry to be negative, I must have been living in England for too long...
http://www.pprune.org/forums/newrepl...te=1&p=3766905
There are no drivers, no rails, no timetables and no emissions. But, most importantly for passengers, there are no queues.
Welcome to the world's first personal rapid transport system (PRT).
But while these low-energy, driverless pod-shaped vehicles may look like something from sci-fi epic Bladerunner, they are about to become British transport reality.
In less than two years' time, after the opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5 in March 2008, a network of 18 of these four-seater capsules will be ferrying passengers to and from a business car park to the new terminal building.
Don't get me started on why this is only announced to be running a year after T5 opens. OR whether it will open on time. Sorry to be negative, I must have been living in England for too long...
So ....
There are a limited number of cars.
They only hold 4 passengers
.... and yet there are no queues.
Excuse me, but the world's first personal rapid transit system (PRT) is generally accepted to be the one at West Virginia University, built in the 1970s. http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/Morgantown/ which is far more complex than the one at Heathrow. I worked on it at the time of installation. It was a right waste of money, but has lasted.
There are a limited number of cars.
They only hold 4 passengers
.... and yet there are no queues.
Welcome to the world's first personal rapid transport system (PRT).
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Mmmm...and certainly cannot compete with the Munich Airport plan of the "Transrapid" monorail magnetic levitation train link. A floating train at speeds of up to 270mph to wisk one into the Bavarian capital in 10 minutes...a journey that currently takes around 40 mins on the good S bahn system.
Those pesky Germans eh???
Those pesky Germans eh???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5370564.stm
It's an inappropriate "isolationist" technology compared to say the TGV which is able to run onto perfectly ordinary railway tracks once off its dedicated route. Imagine what a flop motorways would have been if you had to buy separate cars of a different technical spec to use on them, not able to run onto normal roads and vice-versa.
I was very much aware of the unfortunate accident last year.
Interestingly though, I understand that funding has been agreed between the state of Bavaria government, National Government and selected contractors to proceed at 1.85 billion euros. Suppose it might fall on its face yet, but again those Germans.........all things being equal I should expect it to be up and running by 2014.
Anyway well of topic here I guess....its LHR forum. Sorry.
Nivsy
Interestingly though, I understand that funding has been agreed between the state of Bavaria government, National Government and selected contractors to proceed at 1.85 billion euros. Suppose it might fall on its face yet, but again those Germans.........all things being equal I should expect it to be up and running by 2014.
Anyway well of topic here I guess....its LHR forum. Sorry.
Nivsy
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Alitalia will give up all flights from Milan Malpensa by the end of this winter schedule. They'll just retain Milan Linate and Rome Fiumicino from LHR, with increased frequencies/capacity.
BA to be soon the only airline flying from MXP to LHR.
BA to be soon the only airline flying from MXP to LHR.
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I am quite surprised at the little number of flights from LHR to Milan. I thought that there would have been alot more but apparently not. Alitalia was alot of it's services from MXP anyway and this is just another.
The good thing about LHR is that if a route is dropped, it doesn't really matter as it is probably already being served by BA/BMI/VS and so it just means more slots are available elsewhere!
The good thing about LHR is that if a route is dropped, it doesn't really matter as it is probably already being served by BA/BMI/VS and so it just means more slots are available elsewhere!
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Could somebody answer this question please?
When (or if
) LHR goes mixed runways and gets it's third, how will the slots be distributed?
I'm guessing BA, BD and VS will take most of them and the rest will be put up for auction for airlines to bid?
I would be very surprised if LHR didn't help the GB carriers come o-ut on top.
When (or if
) LHR goes mixed runways and gets it's third, how will the slots be distributed? I'm guessing BA, BD and VS will take most of them and the rest will be put up for auction for airlines to bid?
I would be very surprised if LHR didn't help the GB carriers come o-ut on top.
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I've just seen on the AA website that they are operating 767-300's on the LHR - BOS route over the next few days. I thought they only flew the 777 to LHR. Is this due to quite loads on this route? This was based on a random search on flight AA155/156 24/26 of Dec.
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AA B767 at LHR
I am from and have lived next door to LHR all my life. American B767s have been coming in and out of LHR for as long as i can remember, and as far as i know still operate to LHR although not as frequent.
I checked on Airliners.net and it has a shot of a AA B767 departing LHR at the start of November 2007, so guessing they do still come in, although i personally can't say ive seen one for a while!
I checked on Airliners.net and it has a shot of a AA B767 departing LHR at the start of November 2007, so guessing they do still come in, although i personally can't say ive seen one for a while!
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BAA is ripping out shops at Heathrow in an attempt to cut lengthy security queues after sustained criticism from passengers over its "unacceptable" attitude towards customers.
The firm is even reducing retail space at terminal 5 before it opens next spring.
BAA is often accused of building up its retail empire, which generates half its revenues, at the expense of passengers who languish at security checkpoints before being funnelled through mall-like areas.
After criticism from airlines, politicians and regulators, BAA is eliminating two shops from one of Heathrow's most crowded areas, terminal 3, to make room for two extra security lanes. It will also reduce the floor space allocated to some of the 30 remaining retailers. Terminal 5 is losing a gastropub and a spa to accommodate six more security checkpoints. A further four shops will go at terminal 3 to add more food outlets.
BAA said the moves would reduce the amount of space dedicated to shopping at the terminal but did not reveal the net reduction in retail space. Terminal 3 will retain about 30 shops for passengers to walk past before they get to departure gates. BAA added that the increase in catering outlets was a response to passenger demand. The changes will create an additional 130 seats in terminal 3, but the company did not reveal how many of of them would be in BAA-leased restaurants or in public areas.
Terminal 3 will have 14 security lanes by the end of the nine-month programme, which will also see floor space reduced at existing shops. Retailers with concessions at terminal 3 include Christian Dior, Cigar House and Smythson of Bond Street. The changes at terminal 5 will add six lanes, bringing the total to 20.
The firm is even reducing retail space at terminal 5 before it opens next spring.
BAA is often accused of building up its retail empire, which generates half its revenues, at the expense of passengers who languish at security checkpoints before being funnelled through mall-like areas.
After criticism from airlines, politicians and regulators, BAA is eliminating two shops from one of Heathrow's most crowded areas, terminal 3, to make room for two extra security lanes. It will also reduce the floor space allocated to some of the 30 remaining retailers. Terminal 5 is losing a gastropub and a spa to accommodate six more security checkpoints. A further four shops will go at terminal 3 to add more food outlets.
BAA said the moves would reduce the amount of space dedicated to shopping at the terminal but did not reveal the net reduction in retail space. Terminal 3 will retain about 30 shops for passengers to walk past before they get to departure gates. BAA added that the increase in catering outlets was a response to passenger demand. The changes will create an additional 130 seats in terminal 3, but the company did not reveal how many of of them would be in BAA-leased restaurants or in public areas.
Terminal 3 will have 14 security lanes by the end of the nine-month programme, which will also see floor space reduced at existing shops. Retailers with concessions at terminal 3 include Christian Dior, Cigar House and Smythson of Bond Street. The changes at terminal 5 will add six lanes, bringing the total to 20.
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Here I go again...
Hell-mend the airline chiefs for putting all their 'eggs in the one basket' for beleiving LHR is the B-all and end-all when it comes to arriving and departing the UK - sorry, United Kingdom of London
Iam sick of watching the news and reading the papers about how the public are suffering with weather delays and such like. Its nothing new at LHR and the surrounding area. The airlines have a duty to offer flights that will depart - although normally they do - the weather isnt the only delays LHR suffer from. Ground congestion as well as very restrictive slots and appauling terminal infrastructure... It seems that LHR has a monopoly on certainly BA B747 flights from the UK to the US (for example).
The old story of ''not enough demand from the 'regional' airports'' is wearing very thin as the years go on, and investment is given to an airport that clearly is a liability at the best of times ie LHR.
Regional airports in the UK are under-utilised in general. They have the facilities and staff to deal with long-haul flights and normally bear the brunt of LHR shut-downs when pax cant get there.
WHY OH WHY DONT AIRLINES TRY THE REGIONS - even for the summer to guage the popularity... Trust me it would work. The number of passengers through-checked from the regions is amazing, and then they have to fly back up over the UK (9 times out of 10) if going to the US...
T5, another runway and another terminal at LHR - Are the government for real
The sky above has not increased... No wonder there are slot delays now, never mind in 2,3 or 4 years time - even with another runway.
VS trialled a MAN-GLA-MCO last year that was very popular. Come on BA, BMI etc... Give the UK a fair shot, and do your image a turn too.
Why shouldnt pax fly from LHR up to say EDI or GLA to meet a longhaul US bound flt? Greed and all the excuses under the sun cant hide the fact that LHR has had its day and has a terrible image.
Oh, but now a new airport has more recently caught the eye of every airline cheif exec in Europe... LCY. Surprise surprise, its in London. Can hardly more there now, with everyone clambering to get in and out - including BA - well, its very poorly equiped and paid relation, BACityflyer. Now thats another story for another time..........
The UK comprises England as well as Scotland N Ireland and Wales, who all have airports capable of handling the big-boys.
Spread the joy once and for all
Hell-mend the airline chiefs for putting all their 'eggs in the one basket' for beleiving LHR is the B-all and end-all when it comes to arriving and departing the UK - sorry, United Kingdom of London
Iam sick of watching the news and reading the papers about how the public are suffering with weather delays and such like. Its nothing new at LHR and the surrounding area. The airlines have a duty to offer flights that will depart - although normally they do - the weather isnt the only delays LHR suffer from. Ground congestion as well as very restrictive slots and appauling terminal infrastructure... It seems that LHR has a monopoly on certainly BA B747 flights from the UK to the US (for example).
The old story of ''not enough demand from the 'regional' airports'' is wearing very thin as the years go on, and investment is given to an airport that clearly is a liability at the best of times ie LHR.
Regional airports in the UK are under-utilised in general. They have the facilities and staff to deal with long-haul flights and normally bear the brunt of LHR shut-downs when pax cant get there.
WHY OH WHY DONT AIRLINES TRY THE REGIONS - even for the summer to guage the popularity... Trust me it would work. The number of passengers through-checked from the regions is amazing, and then they have to fly back up over the UK (9 times out of 10) if going to the US...
T5, another runway and another terminal at LHR - Are the government for real
The sky above has not increased... No wonder there are slot delays now, never mind in 2,3 or 4 years time - even with another runway.VS trialled a MAN-GLA-MCO last year that was very popular. Come on BA, BMI etc... Give the UK a fair shot, and do your image a turn too.
Why shouldnt pax fly from LHR up to say EDI or GLA to meet a longhaul US bound flt? Greed and all the excuses under the sun cant hide the fact that LHR has had its day and has a terrible image.
Oh, but now a new airport has more recently caught the eye of every airline cheif exec in Europe... LCY. Surprise surprise, its in London. Can hardly more there now, with everyone clambering to get in and out - including BA - well, its very poorly equiped and paid relation, BACityflyer. Now thats another story for another time..........
The UK comprises England as well as Scotland N Ireland and Wales, who all have airports capable of handling the big-boys.
Spread the joy once and for all
Last edited by tristar500; 24th Dec 2007 at 22:40.