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now that is going to improve the Business position of UK plc............
BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc
BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc
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BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc
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BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc
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U2 in favour of LHR expansion
Not really surprising and confirms my suspicions that U2 would be at LHR if the present impediments (high slot charges, congestion both on the ground and in the air, delays, etc.) were removed by expansion.
BBC News - Budget airline Easyjet backs Heathrow expansion
Easyjet says would fly from expanded Heathrow airport | Reuters
BBC News - Budget airline Easyjet backs Heathrow expansion
Easyjet says would fly from expanded Heathrow airport | Reuters
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"BA should run flights on assets where they will get a maximum return on their investment"
I agree
but then LHR should pull all these adverts saying how important expanding LHR is for British Business connectivity
I agree
but then LHR should pull all these adverts saying how important expanding LHR is for British Business connectivity
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but then LHR should pull all these adverts saying how important expanding LHR is for British Business connectivity
BBC News - Budget airline Easyjet backs Heathrow expansion
Gosh, what scoundrels !
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EZY would be at LHR if the present impediments (high slot charges, congestion both on the ground and in the air, delays, etc.) were removed by expansion.
Double edged !
If they DID move to LHR does that not confirm that you may as well close LGW, not sure what LGWs outstanding USP would be !
Would there be anybody left ....?
If they support LHR expansion but are not interested in moving is it not because other airlines will have to pick up part of the tab allowing them to corner the LGW market without the inflated cost of paying for a new runway ?
Bit like BHX supporting LGW, a warm embrace with one arm whilst sticking two fingers up with the other as they know expansion at LGW will not effect them one iota !
Double edged !
If they DID move to LHR does that not confirm that you may as well close LGW, not sure what LGWs outstanding USP would be !
Would there be anybody left ....?
If they support LHR expansion but are not interested in moving is it not because other airlines will have to pick up part of the tab allowing them to corner the LGW market without the inflated cost of paying for a new runway ?
Bit like BHX supporting LGW, a warm embrace with one arm whilst sticking two fingers up with the other as they know expansion at LGW will not effect them one iota !
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I told you about VN maybe a year+ ago (check my posts) please keep up old news always going to happen will be T4 I believe. Had it from horses mouth in HCM so to speak.
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Anyway just back from far east via DXB but delayed due to snow at Manchester - can we get some better gear, as if we are going to be the northern LH hub for none UK based carriers it would be good to get a few more ploughs / staff in for these times. Will maybe have some news for you about your terminal redevelopments soon.
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I told you about VN maybe a year+ ago (check my posts) please keep up old news always going to happen will be T4 I believe. Had it from horses mouth in HCM so to speak.
Bagso
Anyway just back from far east via DXB but delayed due to snow at Manchester - can we get some better gear, as if we are going to be the northern LH hub for none UK based carriers it would be good to get a few more ploughs / staff in for these times. Will maybe have some news for you about your terminal redevelopments soon.
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How many EZY a/c at LGW ? 60 or more is it ?? Not a cat in hells chance all those will move to LHR even if they do start from there. LGW need not worry too much.
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...nobody in LHR, BA, London or the Govt actually really cares about the regions, possibly ? That's how they make us feel anyway !
I told you about VN maybe a year+ ago (check my posts) please keep up old news always going to happen will be T4
What does it say about LGW expansion if their main tennant would prefer LHR? Or would BA prefer no third runway if it kept Team Orange at Gatwick...
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'A spokesman for Gatwick Airport said Easyjet's position was based on its own "narrow commercial interests".'
Double edged !
If they DID move to LHR does that not confirm that you may as well close LGW, not sure what LGWs outstanding USP would be !
Would there be anybody left ....?
If they DID move to LHR does that not confirm that you may as well close LGW, not sure what LGWs outstanding USP would be !
Would there be anybody left ....?
If they support LHR expansion but are not interested in moving is it not because other airlines will have to pick up part of the tab allowing them to corner the LGW market without the inflated cost of paying for a new runway ?
Bit like BHX supporting LGW, a warm embrace with one arm whilst sticking two fingers up with the other as they know expansion at LGW will not effect them one iota !
Have a look at U2's submission to the Commission, it's a good read and makes a lot of sense. Page 15 outlines what a U2 operation at LHR might be like.
http://corporate.easyjet.com/~/media...on-jan2015.pdf
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I told you about VN maybe a year+ ago (check my posts) please keep up old news always going to happen will be T4 I believe. Had it from horses mouth in HCM so to speak.
I told you about VN maybe a year+ ago (check my posts) please keep up old news always going to happen will be T4 I believe. Had it from horses mouth in HCM so to speak.
Also predicted that, it was inevitable. It's the same for any carrier in the LGW "waiting room".
How many EZY a/c at LGW ? 60 or more is it ?? Not a cat in hells chance all those will move to LHR even if they do start from there. LGW need not worry too much.
What does it say about LGW expansion if their main tennant would prefer LHR? Or would BA prefer no third runway if it kept Team Orange at Gatwick...
What eggc said. If LHR gets R3 I expect Easy would maintain LGW as their biggest base, but would establish a smaller base at LHR cherry-picking some of the more profitable routes from there.
And I've always thought R3 at LHR is a double edged sword for BA. Yes they would get a share of the resulting extra slots for expansion. But the value of their existing slots would be diminished, while their existing competition like Emirates and others would also get more slots, as would a number of possible new and lower cost entrants. Would IAG still control over 50% of slots at a three runway LHR ? The last thing they probably want is a flock of orange tails diluting their yields at LHR, not to mention maybe red noses and others
Certainly with their various other airline acquisitions IAG seem to be setting themselves up in case of a no decision on R3 at LHR. Looking at the history of the last 50 years its still entirely possible the next lot of pollies will decide to ignore Davies and do neither LHR or LGW ! That would be a shame.
And I've always thought R3 at LHR is a double edged sword for BA. Yes they would get a share of the resulting extra slots for expansion. But the value of their existing slots would be diminished, while their existing competition like Emirates and others would also get more slots, as would a number of possible new and lower cost entrants. Would IAG still control over 50% of slots at a three runway LHR ? The last thing they probably want is a flock of orange tails diluting their yields at LHR, not to mention maybe red noses and others
Certainly with their various other airline acquisitions IAG seem to be setting themselves up in case of a no decision on R3 at LHR. Looking at the history of the last 50 years its still entirely possible the next lot of pollies will decide to ignore Davies and do neither LHR or LGW ! That would be a shame.
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British Airways: Heathrow expansion is a ?lost cause? | Environment | The Guardian
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Quote:
'A spokesman for Gatwick Airport said Easyjet's position was based on its own "narrow commercial interests".'
It's also rather hypocritical of GAL to complain about narrow commercial interests. Their campaign for a second runway is not unconnected to the fact that GAL's key shareholder GIP intends to sell its stake within the next couple of years and believes that its value will be enhanced by Davies recommending a second runway. It is also believed by many in the industry that GAL's CEO Stewart Wingate is financially incentivised to get Davies's nod, via a generous bonus structure....
'A spokesman for Gatwick Airport said Easyjet's position was based on its own "narrow commercial interests".'
It's also rather hypocritical of GAL to complain about narrow commercial interests. Their campaign for a second runway is not unconnected to the fact that GAL's key shareholder GIP intends to sell its stake within the next couple of years and believes that its value will be enhanced by Davies recommending a second runway. It is also believed by many in the industry that GAL's CEO Stewart Wingate is financially incentivised to get Davies's nod, via a generous bonus structure....
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Walsh's article quoted by Dave Reid above is quite interesting. He says the case for doing Heathrow is stronger than Gatwick but the politics are more difficult and he doesn't think Britain is strong on political will.
Would he be saying that if BA really really wanted R3? Maybe not, but I don't think he has yet said in terms 'Don't do Runway 3'.
Perhaps that's another Mandy Rice Davies quote -- he wouldn't say that, would he!
Would he be saying that if BA really really wanted R3? Maybe not, but I don't think he has yet said in terms 'Don't do Runway 3'.
Perhaps that's another Mandy Rice Davies quote -- he wouldn't say that, would he!
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There is a school of thought which says that BA might regard a no-R3 decision as being to their financial advantage. In that scenario, demand and supply become increasingly out of kilter, allowing the incumbent LHR carriers to increase their yields. With BA gradually increasing its slot holdings, it is clearly best positioned to take advantage of such a dominant position.
Personally I think this would be a risky strategy for BA, as we might expect the competition authorities to step in if BA sought to exploit its dominant position. Actually I think BA is already skating on thin ice, as some of its recent actions might already be attributed to having an over-strong market position.
Personally I think this would be a risky strategy for BA, as we might expect the competition authorities to step in if BA sought to exploit its dominant position. Actually I think BA is already skating on thin ice, as some of its recent actions might already be attributed to having an over-strong market position.
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I have no issue with more runways as long as its paid for by private industry !
If Heathrow is such a cash cow, which it clearly is, why on earth is there a need to ask UK taxpayers to stump what amounts to a third of the cost ?
If Heathrow is such a cash cow, which it clearly is, why on earth is there a need to ask UK taxpayers to stump what amounts to a third of the cost ?