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As stated before, another LHR rwy isn't a sufficient important issue to unseat MPs, plus no decision would have been made by the election.
A well organised campaign can unseat the most firmly ensconced MP, even with our undemocratic first past the post electoral system - but I would concede that there is probably insufficient time between now and May to whip up voters into a frenzy over new runways at either LGW or LHR - that will be for 2020 (perhaps).
A well organised campaign can unseat the most firmly ensconced MP, even with our undemocratic first past the post electoral system - but I would concede that there is probably insufficient time between now and May to whip up voters into a frenzy over new runways at either LGW or LHR
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Which is, of course, why the Airports Commission has been told not to report until after the election ...
As for Angie Bray, yes, she's vulnerable, but her constituency is visible from a right hand window seat when doing a westerly landing at LHR, not underneath, the proposed third rwy is also south of her constituency.
Jane Ellison is also vulnerable, but her constituency is miles from LHR
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Not necessarily so. Remember the "save Kidderminster hospital" campaign a few years ago which lead to an independent, one issue candidate winning in the General election that year; also Martin Bell winning in Tatton, simply because the sitting MP was an (alleged) crook.
A well organised campaign can unseat the most firmly ensconced MP, even with our undemocratic first past the post electoral system - but I would concede that there is probably insufficient time between now and May to whip up voters into a frenzy over new runways at either LGW or LHR - that will be for 2020 (perhaps).
A well organised campaign can unseat the most firmly ensconced MP, even with our undemocratic first past the post electoral system - but I would concede that there is probably insufficient time between now and May to whip up voters into a frenzy over new runways at either LGW or LHR - that will be for 2020 (perhaps).
As for Tatton, IIRC, "cash for questions" was the issue.
Also you state that "first past the post" electoral system is "undemocratic" without offering any evidence or explaining why.
Probably a not a good idea to make assertions of this nature as it's another debate, and could lead to thread drift and unhappy mods.
True, but, like Justine Greening, next door in Putney, Battersea still gets the benefit of flightpath noise - particularly in the early morning.
Sorry to disappoint, but facts are facts, and it's likely that the proposed "mansion tax" will be concentrating more minds in these areas rather than aircraft noise.
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Passengers avoid connections at busy London airports in favour of continental rivals - News & Advice - Travel - The Independent
This has been blindingly obvious for a while seemingly missed by the Airport Commission.
It will take more than a 3 RW in 15 years to claw that traffic back.
This has been blindingly obvious for a while seemingly missed by the Airport Commission.
It will take more than a 3 RW in 15 years to claw that traffic back.
seemingly missed by the Airport Commission
Airports Commission Discussion Paper 02: Aviation Connectivity and the Economy (March 2013)
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...he-economy.pdf
What was it you reckon they missed?
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Airports Commission Discussion Paper 02: Aviation Connectivity and the Economy (March 2013)
MAR 2013 !
...that's about as up to date as the Bayeux Tapestry !
Connectivity to the regions has been mentioned at EVERY single Transport Select Committee Meeting,
every public presentation,
each review since the comission was formed
every press release
AND
is the mantra of both Heathrow and Gatwick adverts......
It is at the absolute pinnacle of arguments to push ahaed with expansion !
It is so absolutely critical that since the mention to which you refer (now almost 2 years old), equal weight appears to have seemingly been missed with reference to the significant increases to other competing hubs from those very same regions !
MAN an increase in capacity to Abu Dhabi by ETIHAD
An annoucement of a return to double daily of QATAR to Doha
A 50% increase to 3 daily by THY to Istanbul , a major hub that should not be overlooked
BHX an announcement of a 3 daily to Dubai
A 100% increase again by THY
EDI new service by QATAR
Announcement of new service by ETIHAD
30% Increase of THY service to daily
One cannot help thinking the data the commission is going to present late 2015 may need , how shall we say "dusting down" !
Unless the committee IS aware and its members are suffering from collective amnesia in keeping its records up to date ?
Such a highly significant trend to use other airports from the regions is surely worthy of equal airtime if they are deemed to be of such importance ?
MAR 2013 !
...that's about as up to date as the Bayeux Tapestry !
Connectivity to the regions has been mentioned at EVERY single Transport Select Committee Meeting,
every public presentation,
each review since the comission was formed
every press release
AND
is the mantra of both Heathrow and Gatwick adverts......
It is at the absolute pinnacle of arguments to push ahaed with expansion !
It is so absolutely critical that since the mention to which you refer (now almost 2 years old), equal weight appears to have seemingly been missed with reference to the significant increases to other competing hubs from those very same regions !
MAN an increase in capacity to Abu Dhabi by ETIHAD
An annoucement of a return to double daily of QATAR to Doha
A 50% increase to 3 daily by THY to Istanbul , a major hub that should not be overlooked
BHX an announcement of a 3 daily to Dubai
A 100% increase again by THY
EDI new service by QATAR
Announcement of new service by ETIHAD
30% Increase of THY service to daily
One cannot help thinking the data the commission is going to present late 2015 may need , how shall we say "dusting down" !
Unless the committee IS aware and its members are suffering from collective amnesia in keeping its records up to date ?
Such a highly significant trend to use other airports from the regions is surely worthy of equal airtime if they are deemed to be of such importance ?
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Happy New Years Skip
More jousting in 2015 I hope !
I "think" we are in agreement re RW3 LHR although would have still preferred a new 4 runway airport 20 miles up the M40 !
My comment was purely with the quality of work by the commission.
As I said previously some of that data has not been updated for nigh on 2 years, is it relevent to the final comission findings ?
Surely it is and IF its trend it should be included for completeness !
When they came to Manchester 12 months back there appeared to be a rather hesitant civil serveant charged with digging out detail, I sincerely hope we are not relying on him to spoon feed the comssison data, hesitant was not the word AND if he was based in Whitehall he would not have a clue what was going on outside the M25.
IF you are going to set up agency to provide you with forensic detail lets at least make sure its up to date and acccurate !
More jousting in 2015 I hope !
I "think" we are in agreement re RW3 LHR although would have still preferred a new 4 runway airport 20 miles up the M40 !
My comment was purely with the quality of work by the commission.
As I said previously some of that data has not been updated for nigh on 2 years, is it relevent to the final comission findings ?
Surely it is and IF its trend it should be included for completeness !
When they came to Manchester 12 months back there appeared to be a rather hesitant civil serveant charged with digging out detail, I sincerely hope we are not relying on him to spoon feed the comssison data, hesitant was not the word AND if he was based in Whitehall he would not have a clue what was going on outside the M25.
IF you are going to set up agency to provide you with forensic detail lets at least make sure its up to date and acccurate !
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Airports Commission Discussion Paper 02: Aviation Connectivity and the Economy (March 2013)
MAR 2013 !
...that's about as up to date as the Bayeux Tapestry !
Connectivity to the regions has been mentioned at EVERY single Transport Select Committee Meeting,
every public presentation,
each review since the comission was formed
every press release
AND
is the mantra of both Heathrow and Gatwick adverts......
It is at the absolute pinnacle of arguments to push ahaed with expansion !
It is so absolutely critical that since the mention to which you refer (now almost 2 years old), equal weight appears to have seemingly been missed with reference to the significant increases to other competing hubs from those very same regions !
MAN an increase in capacity to Abu Dhabi by ETIHAD
An annoucement of a return to double daily of QATAR to Doha
A 50% increase to 3 daily by THY to Istanbul , a major hub that should not be overlooked
BHX an announcement of a 3 daily to Dubai
A 100% increase again by THY
EDI new service by QATAR
Announcement of new service by ETIHAD
30% Increase of THY service to daily
One cannot help thinking the data the commission is going to present late 2015 may need , how shall we say "dusting down" !
Unless the committee IS aware and its members are suffering from collective amnesia in keeping its records up to date ?
Such a highly significant trend to use other airports from the regions is surely worthy of equal airtime if they are deemed to be of such importance ?
MAR 2013 !
...that's about as up to date as the Bayeux Tapestry !
Connectivity to the regions has been mentioned at EVERY single Transport Select Committee Meeting,
every public presentation,
each review since the comission was formed
every press release
AND
is the mantra of both Heathrow and Gatwick adverts......
It is at the absolute pinnacle of arguments to push ahaed with expansion !
It is so absolutely critical that since the mention to which you refer (now almost 2 years old), equal weight appears to have seemingly been missed with reference to the significant increases to other competing hubs from those very same regions !
MAN an increase in capacity to Abu Dhabi by ETIHAD
An annoucement of a return to double daily of QATAR to Doha
A 50% increase to 3 daily by THY to Istanbul , a major hub that should not be overlooked
BHX an announcement of a 3 daily to Dubai
A 100% increase again by THY
EDI new service by QATAR
Announcement of new service by ETIHAD
30% Increase of THY service to daily
One cannot help thinking the data the commission is going to present late 2015 may need , how shall we say "dusting down" !
Unless the committee IS aware and its members are suffering from collective amnesia in keeping its records up to date ?
Such a highly significant trend to use other airports from the regions is surely worthy of equal airtime if they are deemed to be of such importance ?
The capacity constraints at Heathrow means that BA can't do this as effectively as other carriers can at their hubs, and as a consequence, the UK is losing market share on many levels, including, potentially, its status as Europe's #1 aviation hub.
It's not just the lack of routes to new countries with expanding economies from the nation's hub. It is also the incomplete nature of the domestic air network and the lack of connectivity to/from the nation's hub, and this where the Airports Commission has an interest.
It's obviously excellent to see that the larger non-LHR airports sucessfully expand their longhaul routes, but it's hardly an issue for the Airports Commission, because it has no impact on the UK's position as Europe's #1 aviation hub.
The Airports Commission's remit concerns the maintenance of the UK as Europe's #1 aviation hub. That means addressing the lack of capacity at Heathrow, and that means expansion there. Anything else (e.g. Gatwick) is a side show.
It is as plain and as simple as that.
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More jousting in 2015 I hope !
I "think" we are in agreement re RW3 LHR although would have still preferred a new 4 runway airport 20 miles up the M40 !
More jousting in 2015 I hope !
I "think" we are in agreement re RW3 LHR although would have still preferred a new 4 runway airport 20 miles up the M40 !
Seriously, do you mean 20 mi. from Heathrow? If so that means about 40 mi. from London.
Bit too far out isn't it? To put it in context, would you want Ringway replaced with a Manchester airport at Stoke, or north of Preston?
When they came to Manchester 12 months back there appeared to be a rather hesitant civil serveant charged with digging out detail, I sincerely hope we are not relying on him to spoon feed the comssison data, hesitant was not the word AND if he was based in Whitehall he would not have a clue what was going on outside the M25.
You’re talking about civil servants, so it's more like outside zone 1, or zone 2 if you’re very, very lucky.
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It does not matter how many runways they build - the traffic is nerv coming back.
It will take more than a 3 RW in 15 years to claw that traffic back.
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Vietnam reportedly moving LGW to LHR from the end of March with B787s from July. LGW has no credibility in this market sadly.
Vietnam reportedly moving LGW to LHR from the end of March with B787s from July. LGW has no credibility in this market sadly.
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http://airlineroute.net/2015/01/09/v...ampaign=social
Vietnam reportedly moving LGW to LHR from the end of March with B787s from July. LGW has no credibility in this market sadly.
Vietnam reportedly moving LGW to LHR from the end of March with B787s from July. LGW has no credibility in this market sadly.
More evidence of LGW being LHR's waiting room (as far as long haul is concerned).
GA next?
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More evidence of LGW being LHR's waiting room (as far as long haul is concerned).
Only Heathrow Airport expansion will allow Britain to win the global race for growth | City A.M.
The above article states that their is a long list of airlines who want to use to Heathrow but can't due to capacity constraints.
Assuming that this list includes all the current operators who use Gatwick but not Heathrow (easyJet, Garuda, Ukraine International, Air Baltic etc) I have to admit I'm struggling to come up with that many others.
For me the obvious contenders are LAN Airlines, their various offshoots and Aerolineas Argentinas. Would China Airlines want to have another go? Would Air Namibia do any better at Heathrow? What about airlines such as Xiamen which are planning on going long haul?
Only Heathrow Airport expansion will allow Britain to win the global race for growth | City A.M.
The above article states that their is a long list of airlines who want to use to Heathrow but can't due to capacity constraints.
Assuming that this list includes all the current operators who use Gatwick but not Heathrow (easyJet, Garuda, Ukraine International, Air Baltic etc) I have to admit I'm struggling to come up with that many others.
For me the obvious contenders are LAN Airlines, their various offshoots and Aerolineas Argentinas. Would China Airlines want to have another go? Would Air Namibia do any better at Heathrow? What about airlines such as Xiamen which are planning on going long haul?
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I think he means primarily there's a lot of existing airlines at LHR who would use more slots if they existed. We've had this conversation before but if I recall 50% of any new slots are initially allocated to existing operators and 50% to new operators defined as operators with 4 or fewer pairs of slots per day. There are many interesting questions about how the process of allocating a massive increase in slots would actually be managed given issues of 'use it or lose it' and organising the terminal capacity, slots and gates depending on who gets the slots.
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"Iberia Express to launch nonstop routes from Heathrow to Tenerife-North (TFN) 3x weekly and Gran Canaria (LPA) 4x weekly for the start of S15"
now that is going to improve the Business position of UK plc............
BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc
now that is going to improve the Business position of UK plc............
BA should be using those slots for trips to the middle of China etc etc