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Originally Posted by dublinaviator
I read a review from someone on the first BA flight between London City and New Nork via Shannon, and they said it knocked off 15 minutes from the usual Heathrow-JFK trip.
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As thick as our government is, why would they spend millions on putting full CBP in place for Dublin and Shannon if it has no benefits and adds at least an hour onto the journey as you claim?
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Singapore, TNT/KLM A300 service, Shriener A300, Fedex ATR services etc etc etc etc all gone and now AF 747, mind you the last hardly a no brainer as they only operated one way and that was east bound.
But as other posters have pointed out a lot goes by road, problem with DUB is that it mainly caters for Air Freight in cargo and not Air Produce, a slight but important difference as in none of the "flown in fresh" kinda goods. Maybe this is a market that should be looked at.
Or maybe we should just accept that the Government know **** all about airports and transportation and are just scared of the EI/FR team?
But as other posters have pointed out a lot goes by road, problem with DUB is that it mainly caters for Air Freight in cargo and not Air Produce, a slight but important difference as in none of the "flown in fresh" kinda goods. Maybe this is a market that should be looked at.
Or maybe we should just accept that the Government know **** all about airports and transportation and are just scared of the EI/FR team?
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But you mentioned markting DUB as a hub. My comment was about the impact on connecting passengers: having customs (and immigration) at a midpoint in a journey means a connection in DUB will take longer than connecting elsewhere, so it offers nothing to a potential hub operator. And it costs passengers an extra tenner.
I have spent up to an hour queueing for immigration in the US when I've arrived behind a couple of other full aircraft, so as a point-to-point traveller, the immigration preclearance is undeniably attractive. However I've never queued for more than a few seconds for Customs (the bloke collecting your white form as you walk out of the hall with your luggage) - it's a fallacy to suggest that the customs bit of the preclearance is intended as a timesaver. What it does do is allow a transatlantic flight to land at a US domestic airport (ie one without its own customs facilities). That's potentially interesting for bizjets (but this is a limited market). It could also allow transatlantic flights to use the domestic terminals of the big US hubs rather than the international terminals (but again, this is a niche). I confess I don't see a huge demand for this.
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Of course they can still sell perfume and model planes and the like, but not the booze and cigarettes where the big duty-free profits are to be made.)
I confess I don't see a huge demand for this
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Oh how the celtc tiger has become the scavanger, snifing around the aviation bins of europe for any scraps of business it can find. I think a few years ago the daa would have laughed in the face of AI and told them were to go and hub there flights.
Its almost funny if it wasnt so so so so sad the way everyone is playing the Air India begging bowl game.
Come on are we really that stupid to suspect that the only best hope for the future lies in a few AI flights day with a handfull of passengers getting on or off in Dublin?
If the truth is that that is all we can expect, it really is a sad reflection Ireland PLC, the daa sales and marketing team and the aviation industry as a whole in ireland
Its almost funny if it wasnt so so so so sad the way everyone is playing the Air India begging bowl game.
Come on are we really that stupid to suspect that the only best hope for the future lies in a few AI flights day with a handfull of passengers getting on or off in Dublin?
If the truth is that that is all we can expect, it really is a sad reflection Ireland PLC, the daa sales and marketing team and the aviation industry as a whole in ireland
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looks like they're not bothering with one-stoppers to the States. Change in strategy?
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...."I think a few years ago the daa would have laughed in the face of AI and told them were to go and hub there flights"....
I really dont think so. They would never have even consider the shoddy, laughable Irish.
..."Its almost funny if it wasnt so so so so sad the way everyone is playing the Air India begging bowl game"...
I wonder who is begging, the DAA is desparate, but perhaps sadest of all things is that they are not in negotiations with AI, because AI is so far out of their league. The real con is that the DAA and government are using this as a PR stunt. So you see, AI are actually way up there in the heavens out of our reach. Was does that say about Ireland Inc.
..."Come on are we really that stupid to suspect that the only best hope for the future lies in a few AI flights day with a handfull of passengers getting on or off in Dublin?..."
See my comments above. In fact if that was "all" we could rely on that would be mindblowingly fantastic for the DAA. But they cant even get that. The best they can do is pretend they are in the bidding process and use their contacts in the Irish Times/ Indepedent to drum up publicity about it, which is why we have seen a couple of vaguely written articles recently
..."If the truth is that that is all we can expect, it really is a sad reflection Ireland PLC, the daa sales and marketing team and the aviation industry as a whole in ireland..."
All we can expect ? Its a dream outcome for crappy little Ireland. We are in the same league as the baltic nations. Would they turn down the national carrier of India ? Its time people woke up - at best we are a lower 2nd rate nation.
Sales and Marketing dept ? Apart from sitting around all day doing f@#k all, Id say the only thing they have done is tip off their contacts in the main stay media publications in Ireland that AI are leaving Frankfurt and moving operations to another European destination and ask them to run a column that we are in the ring as contenders for AI even though we are not. That helps keep their jobs safe as well, creates an illusion that they actually work.
I really dont think so. They would never have even consider the shoddy, laughable Irish.
..."Its almost funny if it wasnt so so so so sad the way everyone is playing the Air India begging bowl game"...
I wonder who is begging, the DAA is desparate, but perhaps sadest of all things is that they are not in negotiations with AI, because AI is so far out of their league. The real con is that the DAA and government are using this as a PR stunt. So you see, AI are actually way up there in the heavens out of our reach. Was does that say about Ireland Inc.
..."Come on are we really that stupid to suspect that the only best hope for the future lies in a few AI flights day with a handfull of passengers getting on or off in Dublin?..."
See my comments above. In fact if that was "all" we could rely on that would be mindblowingly fantastic for the DAA. But they cant even get that. The best they can do is pretend they are in the bidding process and use their contacts in the Irish Times/ Indepedent to drum up publicity about it, which is why we have seen a couple of vaguely written articles recently
..."If the truth is that that is all we can expect, it really is a sad reflection Ireland PLC, the daa sales and marketing team and the aviation industry as a whole in ireland..."
All we can expect ? Its a dream outcome for crappy little Ireland. We are in the same league as the baltic nations. Would they turn down the national carrier of India ? Its time people woke up - at best we are a lower 2nd rate nation.
Sales and Marketing dept ? Apart from sitting around all day doing f@#k all, Id say the only thing they have done is tip off their contacts in the main stay media publications in Ireland that AI are leaving Frankfurt and moving operations to another European destination and ask them to run a column that we are in the ring as contenders for AI even though we are not. That helps keep their jobs safe as well, creates an illusion that they actually work.
Following the departure of SR Technics from Dublin, some good news on the maintenance jobs front.
Eirtech Aviation are to expand beyond Shannon
71 new aircraft maintenance jobs at Dublin Airport
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Eirtech Aviation are to expand beyond Shannon
71 new aircraft maintenance jobs at Dublin Airport
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I think the penny has finally dropped on the Irish forum over on airliners.net about the Air India dream. Incredibly, now some chap under the psuedo name "Kaitak" is now theorising that AI might start flying in 787's from MAA, BLR and HYD. Honest to god, where will it all end. A big pie in the sky theory about secondary cities and the great opportunities of pre clearance here lol. Id say he works for the DAA and realises that people have woken up to the original AI idea as being non sense, so lets now excrete more rumours.
....well said dublindispatch.....how about Air Zimbabwae or Air Koryo ? - they could clear US customs here. And the EU ban is no longer in place on Air Koryo - could be good. We could send the DAA out on a fact finding mission lol (its about as sensible as whats being mentioned on airliners.net at the moment).
....well said dublindispatch.....how about Air Zimbabwae or Air Koryo ? - they could clear US customs here. And the EU ban is no longer in place on Air Koryo - could be good. We could send the DAA out on a fact finding mission lol (its about as sensible as whats being mentioned on airliners.net at the moment).
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Can we stop the negativity?
This thread seems to be more and more caustic by the day; not just spraying acid, but revelling in it.
For a start, I don't buy this idea of the DAA spreading a rumour about reeling in AI, if it didn't think it had a dog's chance. Runway length aside, why shouldn't the DAA throw its hat in the ring? The runway length is something that can be sorted out. AI is taking 787s from next March and they would be ideal for long, thin routes. India is a country of 1b people and its middle class is increasing dramatically; it is a strongly growing economy and its demand for air travel will increase.
What would we be saying here if the DAA simply said, "why bother?"
If you've ever been to one of the major Indian airports, DEL or BOM, you'd know that domestic-international (or vice versa) connections are neither easy nor efficient. An alternative, en route hub - preferably on the great circle route, has its advantages. FRA is too expensive and too slot controlled. Sure, there are probably better airports than DUB, but DUB has its own advantages as well.
Now, we can sneer and revel in it, or we can try and be a little more constructive. Which is going to be? Of those who choose to sneer, when is the last time you've proposed a constructive option. What would you choose to do?
I have nothing to do with the DAA and I haven't stood back from criticising if I thought it was deserved, but the constant, dripping negativity achieves nothing. If I want to read something acidic and negative, I'll go to Politics.ie, but as people who know something about aviation, we should try and be a little more constructive here.
For a start, I don't buy this idea of the DAA spreading a rumour about reeling in AI, if it didn't think it had a dog's chance. Runway length aside, why shouldn't the DAA throw its hat in the ring? The runway length is something that can be sorted out. AI is taking 787s from next March and they would be ideal for long, thin routes. India is a country of 1b people and its middle class is increasing dramatically; it is a strongly growing economy and its demand for air travel will increase.
What would we be saying here if the DAA simply said, "why bother?"
If you've ever been to one of the major Indian airports, DEL or BOM, you'd know that domestic-international (or vice versa) connections are neither easy nor efficient. An alternative, en route hub - preferably on the great circle route, has its advantages. FRA is too expensive and too slot controlled. Sure, there are probably better airports than DUB, but DUB has its own advantages as well.
Now, we can sneer and revel in it, or we can try and be a little more constructive. Which is going to be? Of those who choose to sneer, when is the last time you've proposed a constructive option. What would you choose to do?
I have nothing to do with the DAA and I haven't stood back from criticising if I thought it was deserved, but the constant, dripping negativity achieves nothing. If I want to read something acidic and negative, I'll go to Politics.ie, but as people who know something about aviation, we should try and be a little more constructive here.
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but negativity is the default setting for irish people, where would liveline or the dunphy show be without it!
re AI how much extra security would be needed at dub if this happens?
re AI how much extra security would be needed at dub if this happens?
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Maybe they should just get on with it, roll up their sleaves and work on winning quality business into the country rather than focusing on "getting it out there" into the public domain that they are actually doing something - I dont see fair criticism as sneering frankly.
I wish I was wrong akerosid, I really do, but at the end of the day its not right to hype up the AI thing up if its not going to happen. Thats plain wrong in my book.
I wish I was wrong akerosid, I really do, but at the end of the day its not right to hype up the AI thing up if its not going to happen. Thats plain wrong in my book.
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Whats the deal with the no a/c allowed to park around the E-pier? I heard that the wrong kind of concrete on the ramp was used and will need to be replaced? Surely to god that cannot be the real reason!!!!!