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aeulad,
I can only tell you the CAA figures for the route in November which were 820 pax.
If all the advertised sectors were flown that month that would give an average load of around 6 pax per flight.
Even with Eastern's fare price structure and the use of tiny J 32s, one wonders what sort of yield an average load factor of 33% would bring.
November is perhaps not the best month for high pax figures anywhere, and it is a new route.
However, many people wondered how it would fare up against the immensely popular easyJet BRS-NCL (3 rotations daily except Sat when there are 2) with its jet equipment and over 20,000 pax every month.
The answer might appear to be - not very well, but of course only Eastern know for sure.
I can only tell you the CAA figures for the route in November which were 820 pax.
If all the advertised sectors were flown that month that would give an average load of around 6 pax per flight.
Even with Eastern's fare price structure and the use of tiny J 32s, one wonders what sort of yield an average load factor of 33% would bring.
November is perhaps not the best month for high pax figures anywhere, and it is a new route.
However, many people wondered how it would fare up against the immensely popular easyJet BRS-NCL (3 rotations daily except Sat when there are 2) with its jet equipment and over 20,000 pax every month.
The answer might appear to be - not very well, but of course only Eastern know for sure.
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Don't forget that the reason Eastern decided to fly to Bristol was largely due to 2000+ Orange personnel working 5 miles from MME, and a large Orange HQ being based near Bristol - so a lot of travelling businesspeople on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised if Orange have even come to some sort of arrangement where they block-book seats on each service.
I don't know the truth behind it, but I was once told a similar deal existed with Shell (or a similar oil company) arranging seats with Eastern on flights such as MME-ABZ and HUY-ABZ. I know Shell employees who use the service on a regular basis.
I don't know the truth behind it, but I was once told a similar deal existed with Shell (or a similar oil company) arranging seats with Eastern on flights such as MME-ABZ and HUY-ABZ. I know Shell employees who use the service on a regular basis.
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Are there any charters to stuttgart on weds/thurs for the uefa cup match?
Was that a herc i saw on sat afternoon approaching runway 23?
Up the boro!,(Chelsea who?
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Cheers
holgate
Was that a herc i saw on sat afternoon approaching runway 23?
Up the boro!,(Chelsea who?
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holgate
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Yeh there are! 
They came in and went out this morning, saw them myself
Here are the details :-
Dep 0900am TCX177 A320-200 G-BXKA (Due after match Thu) FANS FLIGHT!
Dep 0930am BY802B 767-200 G-BRIG (Returns 1030am Friday) BORO TEAM!
Cheers,
Sam
They came in and went out this morning, saw them myself
Here are the details :-
Dep 0900am TCX177 A320-200 G-BXKA (Due after match Thu) FANS FLIGHT!
Dep 0930am BY802B 767-200 G-BRIG (Returns 1030am Friday) BORO TEAM!
Cheers,
Sam
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Thanks guys for the information on the Grenoble charter.
Which LHR service is the 145 going to do? Is it the 332/333? surely the 332 has the highest loads being the 1st flight from LHR. Using figures from November the average pax figure was 77 on every flight, much more than the 49 that can fit on a 145! Are they running the service into the ground so slots can be used for long haul??
Comparing the average 77pax on every flight, to 2004, which works out to be about 70 pax on every flight,( remebering that there was 4 flights each way every weekday), it appears that the start of the Gatwick flights which had 3262 pax in November has not had an adverse effect on the bmi pax figures to LHR. Whether this changes who knows? Certainly the 145 will have a huge effect on the figures!
Which LHR service is the 145 going to do? Is it the 332/333? surely the 332 has the highest loads being the 1st flight from LHR. Using figures from November the average pax figure was 77 on every flight, much more than the 49 that can fit on a 145! Are they running the service into the ground so slots can be used for long haul??
Comparing the average 77pax on every flight, to 2004, which works out to be about 70 pax on every flight,( remebering that there was 4 flights each way every weekday), it appears that the start of the Gatwick flights which had 3262 pax in November has not had an adverse effect on the bmi pax figures to LHR. Whether this changes who knows? Certainly the 145 will have a huge effect on the figures!
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Thanks for the replies fellas,...nice to see ryanair training at DTV yesterday with a 800,..last week we had jet2 doing some training in the "yorkshire" 737.
Great result for the boro last nite,...wonder what stuttgart will fly in with in the 2nd leg?
Up th boro
Great result for the boro last nite,...wonder what stuttgart will fly in with in the 2nd leg?
Up th boro
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Holgate
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mmeman
Correct, the ER145 will be doing the 332/333 from 1st May. The 331 has been put back to 0755 local dep with a 319. bmi are doing a great job of killing off the route. Good luck to GNER and BA at NCL !
HapagFly B738 and a Germanwings A319
mmeman
Correct, the ER145 will be doing the 332/333 from 1st May. The 331 has been put back to 0755 local dep with a 319. bmi are doing a great job of killing off the route. Good luck to GNER and BA at NCL !
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Not really surprising, but it looks like Thomson has cancelled a Sunday night Bodrum flight for summer 06, and replaced it with a Palma flight instead.
And the new times for the bmi LHR flights have now been put onto their website, 332 leaving LHR at 07.55 as well as 331 leaving MME at 07.55, and all other flights at different times.
MD keeps saying they will break through 1 Million passenger mark, but I am not so sure, with the loss of Ryanair to Rome and Embraer 145's to LHR.
Provisional January pax figures out and the really badly performing route for bmibaby is Cork with only 780 pax in the month, which I think works out to be about 33 pax on every fligtht.
Others look like (if my maths is right!)-
ALC 84% load factor
AGP 78%
PMI 72%
CDG 43%
Lets hope the increase in frequency to Cork in the summer attracts more passengers!
And the new times for the bmi LHR flights have now been put onto their website, 332 leaving LHR at 07.55 as well as 331 leaving MME at 07.55, and all other flights at different times.
MD keeps saying they will break through 1 Million passenger mark, but I am not so sure, with the loss of Ryanair to Rome and Embraer 145's to LHR.
Provisional January pax figures out and the really badly performing route for bmibaby is Cork with only 780 pax in the month, which I think works out to be about 33 pax on every fligtht.
Others look like (if my maths is right!)-
ALC 84% load factor
AGP 78%
PMI 72%
CDG 43%
Lets hope the increase in frequency to Cork in the summer attracts more passengers!
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So fella,s....any news at DTV?
When does the second baby 737 arrive?,how is the airport transformation proceeding?,....
Counted at least 9 charters to Rome for the big match tonite,anything intresting operate them,or was it all A320/737?
Any new routes on the horizon?,..have heard of a possible Barcelona route with Ryanair.....is it also true that the Rome was pulled due to slot constraints at Ciampino?.....
Nice to see the AWACS on monday dinnertime....
Up the Boro
When does the second baby 737 arrive?,how is the airport transformation proceeding?,....
Counted at least 9 charters to Rome for the big match tonite,anything intresting operate them,or was it all A320/737?
Any new routes on the horizon?,..have heard of a possible Barcelona route with Ryanair.....is it also true that the Rome was pulled due to slot constraints at Ciampino?.....
Nice to see the AWACS on monday dinnertime....
Up the Boro
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Originally Posted by holgate
So fella,s....any news at DTV?
When does the second baby 737 arrive?,how is the airport transformation proceeding?,....
Counted at least 9 charters to Rome for the big match tonite,anything intresting operate them,or was it all A320/737?
Any new routes on the horizon?,..have heard of a possible Barcelona route with Ryanair.....is it also true that the Rome was pulled due to slot constraints at Ciampino?.....
Nice to see the AWACS on monday dinnertime....
Up the Boro
When does the second baby 737 arrive?,how is the airport transformation proceeding?,....
Counted at least 9 charters to Rome for the big match tonite,anything intresting operate them,or was it all A320/737?
Any new routes on the horizon?,..have heard of a possible Barcelona route with Ryanair.....is it also true that the Rome was pulled due to slot constraints at Ciampino?.....
Nice to see the AWACS on monday dinnertime....
Up the Boro
Haven't heard a lot about the transformation (by that I assume you mean the frontage work) I'd guess they're about half way to completion.
9 charters to Rome? I can only count 7? One to Ciampino and the other 6 to Fiumicino, as for aircraft types, not sure, probs just A320/737 as you suggested.
Any Barcelona route will be operated by bmibaby and certainly not by Ryanair, Brussels is a possible new route with Eastern Airways.
Ryanair pulled the Rome route because of lack of passengers I believe, also, the Bristol route is dropping to 2x daily and the Sunday service cancelled too.
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Wasnt there 4 yesterday and 5 this morning to rome?
Not good regards Bristol route.....dont easy have 3 a day from up the road?, wonder what there loads are like.....with regards ryanair and barcelona,was under the impression it would opereate from Girona,....havnt they got a base there?..looks like baby doing ok on the spanish routes,hopefully paris and cork will pick up in the summer,..will these two be going daily when the second aircraft arrives...would be nice to see a third baby at MME!!....maybe they could give rome a go....or maybe somewhere different than the orange brigade up the road....madrid/copenhagen/lisbon...anybody!!!
Not good regards Bristol route.....dont easy have 3 a day from up the road?, wonder what there loads are like.....with regards ryanair and barcelona,was under the impression it would opereate from Girona,....havnt they got a base there?..looks like baby doing ok on the spanish routes,hopefully paris and cork will pick up in the summer,..will these two be going daily when the second aircraft arrives...would be nice to see a third baby at MME!!....maybe they could give rome a go....or maybe somewhere different than the orange brigade up the road....madrid/copenhagen/lisbon...anybody!!!
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A week or so back mfc.co.uk mentioned that they had booked a "2nd 280 seater aircraft for the official fans trip", so there are at least 2 ac bigger than the usual 737/320's used.
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Most probably an Excel 762ER, there's been a few of them at MME for different reasons lately. I don't know about yesterday, but there's definiately 7 in the early hours of tomorrow (flights 2 Rome that is) see for yourselves:
http://www.durhamteesvalleyairport.c.../arrivals.html
http://www.durhamteesvalleyairport.c.../arrivals.html
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Originally Posted by holgate
Wasnt there 4 yesterday and 5 this morning to rome?
Not good regards Bristol route.....dont easy have 3 a day from up the road?, wonder what there loads are like.....
Not good regards Bristol route.....dont easy have 3 a day from up the road?, wonder what there loads are like.....
They carry around 20,000 to 23,000 pax a month depending on time of year (eg 20,429 in Dec and 22,315 in Aug of last year), giving an average loading in excess of 80%.
I travelled the route yesterday and there were few empty seats in either direction.
Contrast this with Eastern's 631 pax on MME-BRS in December.
Probably not comparing like with like because Eastern have a different business model and their fares tend to be relatively expensive, aimed mainly at the business market.
All figures quoted are CAA stats.
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Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
easyJet do 3 daily rotations on NCL-BRS (2 on Sats) and the route is the busiest one between two English provincial cities in terms of pax numbers.
They carry around 20,000 to 23,000 pax a month depending on time of year (eg 20,429 in Dec and 22,315 in Aug of last year), giving an average loading in excess of 80%.
I travelled the route yesterday and there were few empty seats in either direction.
Contrast this with Eastern's 631 pax on MME-BRS in December.
Probably not comparing like with like because Eastern have a different business model and their fares tend to be relatively expensive, aimed mainly at the business market.
All figures quoted are CAA stats.
They carry around 20,000 to 23,000 pax a month depending on time of year (eg 20,429 in Dec and 22,315 in Aug of last year), giving an average loading in excess of 80%.
I travelled the route yesterday and there were few empty seats in either direction.
Contrast this with Eastern's 631 pax on MME-BRS in December.
Probably not comparing like with like because Eastern have a different business model and their fares tend to be relatively expensive, aimed mainly at the business market.
All figures quoted are CAA stats.