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An alternative scenario:
Aircraft parked = poor schedule planning, unlikely to be off-set by operating marginal service to NQY
Aircraft flying = opportunity to lose more money on BA mainline cost base, unless high yield traffic available
Air Southwest traffic = already presumably providing considerable traffic feed to BA at LGW without BA having to do a thing
Air Southwest traffic = opportunity for BA to make real cash for handling at LGW without any incremental cost
BA traffic = loss making for BA at same fares ASW are charging due to BA seat-operating-costs higher than ASW
BA fares = see above
ASW drop frequency = unlikely as the costs of them operating an off-peak service are a fraction of the costs of BA operating one, and this route is core business for them and marginal business for BA
BA traffic = low yield business, especially BA customers burning their airmiles
And finally... if BA have been primed to expect a Ryan pull-out, they have been primed incorrectly as Ryan are not pulling out!
An alternative scenario:
Aircraft parked = poor schedule planning, unlikely to be off-set by operating marginal service to NQY
Aircraft flying = opportunity to lose more money on BA mainline cost base, unless high yield traffic available
Air Southwest traffic = already presumably providing considerable traffic feed to BA at LGW without BA having to do a thing
Air Southwest traffic = opportunity for BA to make real cash for handling at LGW without any incremental cost
BA traffic = loss making for BA at same fares ASW are charging due to BA seat-operating-costs higher than ASW
BA fares = see above
ASW drop frequency = unlikely as the costs of them operating an off-peak service are a fraction of the costs of BA operating one, and this route is core business for them and marginal business for BA
BA traffic = low yield business, especially BA customers burning their airmiles
And finally... if BA have been primed to expect a Ryan pull-out, they have been primed incorrectly as Ryan are not pulling out!
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Well, put it this way - The Dash8 will burn a mere 3,000Lbs of fuel on a round trip of this route which is not a lot of money at all. Coupled with the fact Air Southwest pay very little handling charges at NQY and PLH and the unbelievably low paid crew then it goes without saying Air Southwest make a killing on every flight they offer.
Can BA price them off this route?? I doubt it!
Can BA price them off this route?? I doubt it!
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I see ASW have dropped their prices on LGW-NQY to match (beat?) BA 
Would have thought ASW's strong point was more about frequency/schedule and strong local presence in the SW rather than price alone, but good to seem them putting up a fight! Give me a pleasant flight on a Dash8 with friendly, smiling crew over a "do I look bovvered" service on a BA 737 any day!
Would have thought ASW's strong point was more about frequency/schedule and strong local presence in the SW rather than price alone, but good to seem them putting up a fight! Give me a pleasant flight on a Dash8 with friendly, smiling crew over a "do I look bovvered" service on a BA 737 any day!
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Service With a Smile!
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You're absolutely spot on, the way our crew look after the passengers is unfortunatly a dying occurence. The Girls know our pax mostly by name they know their history (Been looking after them for years). They know what they drink with how many sugars etc. Lets hope the Pax stick with that friendly level of personal service and not jump over to the faster quieter jet with all the frequent flyer benefits, through check in benefits etc etc. As you say it is good to see a little fight from ASW with regards to a price war!
Just hope we can hold on whilst that Tit WW and cronies decide what it is they really want to do...
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You're absolutely spot on, the way our crew look after the passengers is unfortunatly a dying occurence. The Girls know our pax mostly by name they know their history (Been looking after them for years). They know what they drink with how many sugars etc. Lets hope the Pax stick with that friendly level of personal service and not jump over to the faster quieter jet with all the frequent flyer benefits, through check in benefits etc etc. As you say it is good to see a little fight from ASW with regards to a price war!
Just hope we can hold on whilst that Tit WW and cronies decide what it is they really want to do...
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This appeared in the Plymouth Herald today:
In addition, the statement also revealed that the company has found a replacement for Malclom Naylor, the managing director of Sutton Harbour Holdings subsidiary Air Southwest.
The company has recruited James Cameron, formerly chief executive of Scottish carrier Loganair to the post.
Like his predecessor, Mr Cameron's CV includes a senior position with Brymon Airways as well as at British Airways.
The same announcement also revealed that the company's pre tax for the year ended March 31 to meet market expectations.
The results are due to be released to the Stock Exchange on May 24.
At the start of the year, the company announced that its year end profits would be up after it sold a new office development for £13.6million.
In addition, the statement also revealed that the company has found a replacement for Malclom Naylor, the managing director of Sutton Harbour Holdings subsidiary Air Southwest.
The company has recruited James Cameron, formerly chief executive of Scottish carrier Loganair to the post.
Like his predecessor, Mr Cameron's CV includes a senior position with Brymon Airways as well as at British Airways.
The same announcement also revealed that the company's pre tax for the year ended March 31 to meet market expectations.
The results are due to be released to the Stock Exchange on May 24.
At the start of the year, the company announced that its year end profits would be up after it sold a new office development for £13.6million.
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Hi Cpt Tango I beleive that Malcolm Naylor has resigned.Stolport that same article states that the transport-related (Air Southwest/Plymouth City Airport) profits would be down. Plymouth CA was always struggling to make money with Air Southwest being the soul carrier in and out of there but with the navy moving its flying evaluation school to Yeovilton guaranteed income from that has gone.Does this mean that Air Southwest are on a slippery downward slide to eventually be sold off by Sutton Harbour Holdings.Could it be a Brymon all over again?
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the latest ASW news JIm Cameron
This is the latest news from Air South West
Airsouthwest news
Thu 12th April 2007
New boss for Air South West
Air South West has a new chief executive, Jim Cameron, who takes over at the airline’s Plymouth headquarters from the incumbent, Malcolm Naylor, next Monday 16 April.
The news was announced to the London Stock Exchange last week and Air South West is 100% owned by Sutton Harbour, whose shares are listed on the AIM market. The airline was founded in 2003 after British Airways (BA) withdrew its Cornwall and Devon regional operation. Air South West currently operates five 50-seat Bombardier Q300 aircraft.
Cameron, 60, joins from Loganair where he has held a similar position since 2001. He is no stranger to Plymouth; in the late 1990s he was sales manager of Brymon Airways, the high profile predecessor of Air South West and the first carrier to operate into London City Airport.
During a 30-year career with BA, appointments included a spell in the New York office, at Manchester and in the BA headquarters with responsibility for the airline’s extensive franchise operations.
Discussing his new position Mr Cameron said: "Air South West got off to a brilliant start straight from day one, in terms of customer appreciation, financial and service performance. They have a great team and I'm relishing the challenge of developing this growing business still further.
“Our fleet of Bombardier Dash 8s is ideally suited to serve regional routes, thanks to their efficiency and low operating costs. I can see us continuing to develop niche markets where we have the right aircraft to develop further popular and profitable services."
BA recently made its return to Cornwall with a daily service from Gatwick to Newquay competing with a similar, but four-times daily, Air South West operation which also takes in Plymouth. With the announcement, Air South West intimated the ending of its handling contract with BA at Gatwick. However the threat has now been withdrawn and the airline continues to operate from the North Terminal.
Airsouthwest news
Thu 12th April 2007
New boss for Air South West
Air South West has a new chief executive, Jim Cameron, who takes over at the airline’s Plymouth headquarters from the incumbent, Malcolm Naylor, next Monday 16 April.
The news was announced to the London Stock Exchange last week and Air South West is 100% owned by Sutton Harbour, whose shares are listed on the AIM market. The airline was founded in 2003 after British Airways (BA) withdrew its Cornwall and Devon regional operation. Air South West currently operates five 50-seat Bombardier Q300 aircraft.
Cameron, 60, joins from Loganair where he has held a similar position since 2001. He is no stranger to Plymouth; in the late 1990s he was sales manager of Brymon Airways, the high profile predecessor of Air South West and the first carrier to operate into London City Airport.
During a 30-year career with BA, appointments included a spell in the New York office, at Manchester and in the BA headquarters with responsibility for the airline’s extensive franchise operations.
Discussing his new position Mr Cameron said: "Air South West got off to a brilliant start straight from day one, in terms of customer appreciation, financial and service performance. They have a great team and I'm relishing the challenge of developing this growing business still further.
“Our fleet of Bombardier Dash 8s is ideally suited to serve regional routes, thanks to their efficiency and low operating costs. I can see us continuing to develop niche markets where we have the right aircraft to develop further popular and profitable services."
BA recently made its return to Cornwall with a daily service from Gatwick to Newquay competing with a similar, but four-times daily, Air South West operation which also takes in Plymouth. With the announcement, Air South West intimated the ending of its handling contract with BA at Gatwick. However the threat has now been withdrawn and the airline continues to operate from the North Terminal.
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Does anyone know what ASW have planned?
The low fare finder shows that from July, the Newquay-Cardiff-Manchester route is being dropped and there are only 2 flights to Bristol with an onwards link to Leeds and it appears Bristol-Leeds flights are reduced.
The low fare finder shows that from July, the Newquay-Cardiff-Manchester route is being dropped and there are only 2 flights to Bristol with an onwards link to Leeds and it appears Bristol-Leeds flights are reduced.
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Summer charters LBA-JER and STN-JER for a Channel Islands tour operator, May to Sept.
NQY-ORK starts this Friday (4th May).
BRS-LBA goes back to twice-daily, but looks like the midday flight wasn't doing that well anyway so probably a sensible move.
Shame about the CWL services, but they didn't seem to get the pax numbers needed for a sustainable operation, and in any event they still fly to both destinations (MAN and NQY) from BRS, which is almost as convenient for the S.Wales folks.
NQY-ORK starts this Friday (4th May).
BRS-LBA goes back to twice-daily, but looks like the midday flight wasn't doing that well anyway so probably a sensible move.
Shame about the CWL services, but they didn't seem to get the pax numbers needed for a sustainable operation, and in any event they still fly to both destinations (MAN and NQY) from BRS, which is almost as convenient for the S.Wales folks.