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VLM operate LCY-BRu five times a day I believe. They are one of the major players out of London City. Hard to see an opportunity for Air South West here surely. Are you really worth that exorbitant fee?
VLM operate LCY-BRu five times a day I believe. They are one of the major players out of London City. Hard to see an opportunity for Air South West here surely. Are you really worth that exorbitant fee?
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Profitable Air Southwest
In little over three years Air Southwest have managed to become profitable, only recording a loss at companies house of £600,000. within the first year of operation The majority of the commercial accumen and successful routes have been given to them by the late BA Citiexpress and still remain today their bread and butter so it's not a matter of whether they are going to totally drop everything.
They made a big mistake in launching Norwich and by again hastily launching the partially financed PSO between Cardiff and Manchester have diluted their previously successful pax loads from Bristol.
At the moment they seem to be in a period of consolidation and not expansion but the parent company, Sutton Harbour Holdings will be unable to keep funding large losses should it happen.
I take my hat off to them, they are a well-run successful little airline and one that does a good future for the domestic market.
Cheers,
They made a big mistake in launching Norwich and by again hastily launching the partially financed PSO between Cardiff and Manchester have diluted their previously successful pax loads from Bristol.
At the moment they seem to be in a period of consolidation and not expansion but the parent company, Sutton Harbour Holdings will be unable to keep funding large losses should it happen.
I take my hat off to them, they are a well-run successful little airline and one that does a good future for the domestic market.
Cheers,
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I know that Flybe are the main player but would this not be the time for ASW to look at some PLH/NQY routes to ops via EXT. Surely there must be justification for routes such as IOM, ORK or BHX to be ops in this manner. Perhaps one of the LGW flights or a STN with connections would work?
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GMS - yes you can ask but I am not going to tell you.
BEANZ - If you read my post properly you would see it says an opportunity for Newquay not Air Southwest in particular. VLM is one of the people I would have approached first if I were expanding the airport.
BEANZ - If you read my post properly you would see it says an opportunity for Newquay not Air Southwest in particular. VLM is one of the people I would have approached first if I were expanding the airport.
GMS - Please do not take offence, none is intended, this is after all an Air Southwest thread in an anonymous forum. I will happily expand my experience in a PM if you wish.
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BA Now our direct competition???
What do you guys think about this one? RE: The news that BA are going to be operating a 737 from Gatwick to Nqy?
A total curve ball...
Not one to say i told you so but... Sit back on your laurels (Arse) and not be proactive then your core business is compromised... Oops!
Can see the adverts now
Applicants may apply here
A total curve ball...
Not one to say i told you so but... Sit back on your laurels (Arse) and not be proactive then your core business is compromised... Oops!
Can see the adverts now
WANTED
New and exciting, money making, untouchable, Non risky, easy to run, (OK, handed to on a plate) Route required for Non expanding Small Regional AirlineApplicants may apply here
Personally I don't think Ba will that interested in running ASW out of town (Thankfully) but certainly very interesting times ahead...
Can Anyone see a positive for ASW here? What do the rest of us think?
Bok...
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Will this mean the end of the FR route?
I know this is a direct competitor, whereas STN isn't, but think about this:
FR Daily to STN - 189 seats each way
BA Daily to LGW - 150 seats each way
If FR left the route, then 39 seats gained is better than nothing! Also, the fares on the BA flights are higher than those that FR offer.
I think that for the extra £3, people will still opt to fly with ASW because of the selection of departure times.
Personally, I would fly with BA if I was wanting to go on a sightseeing trip to London, but if I was on business or a connecting flight, then surely ASW would be the answer because of the morning and evening flights.
Should not really have any affect on the ASW services. Hopefully!
Could expansion routes be IOM, GLA or NCL?
I know this is a direct competitor, whereas STN isn't, but think about this:
FR Daily to STN - 189 seats each way
BA Daily to LGW - 150 seats each way
If FR left the route, then 39 seats gained is better than nothing! Also, the fares on the BA flights are higher than those that FR offer.
I think that for the extra £3, people will still opt to fly with ASW because of the selection of departure times.
Personally, I would fly with BA if I was wanting to go on a sightseeing trip to London, but if I was on business or a connecting flight, then surely ASW would be the answer because of the morning and evening flights.
Should not really have any affect on the ASW services. Hopefully!
Could expansion routes be IOM, GLA or NCL?
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I have read in the Western Morning News that Tim Jones (Head of Business 'ish' in Cornwall) thinks that BA return to NQY is Good - Total misguided nonsense! As soon as they get rid of ASW the price of air connections will rocket and as soon as they get tempted by another attractive route they will drop the region like a stone.
When BA were involved in NQY before they kept every other operater out, allegedly in co-horts with the council (who run the airport) THIS IS VERY BAD NEWS FOR ALL IN THE SOUTHWEST!
When BA were involved in NQY before they kept every other operater out, allegedly in co-horts with the council (who run the airport) THIS IS VERY BAD NEWS FOR ALL IN THE SOUTHWEST!
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Tyreplug I really have to agree with you. BA didnt want the route four years ago so why start again now.I have only flown Fly Be and ASW and have found the later tobe the better of the two as far as low cost airlines go. What you see is what you get no hidden extras etc and the staff are excellent.Once BA get there feet under the table you watch there hidden agenda take shape I smell a very big rat.Does anybody think that there reasoning behind this decision could be due to the hangars etc becoming available in the not to distant future and they could buy them up and have all but sole use of the airfield and buildings?
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hypocracy!
Think of it from my point of view - 6 years ago I was working for an airline called Brymon Airways, a BA subsidiary, and the PLH-NQY-LGW service was the prime route for the airline and always had been for the previous 35 years! Some ****wit in London decided to merge us with British Regional Airlines and the rest is history.....I've been relocated from Plymouth to the Isle of Man and then to Birmingham and now face a battle trying to secure a job with Flybe in EXT as BA Connect is in the process of being sold, or face redundancy because BA do not want to be in the regions!
I've worked with an airline that started with 98 aircraft and now just has under 50. I've sat through base closures in BHD/LBA/NCL/GLA/SOU/JER/ABZ and PLH and seen people suffer. I remember I cried after arriving at work at 5am on the Monday back in 2003 to find out PLH was closing and BA were pulling out because the route was 'loss making' and the airline that had been around since 1969 was being dicked around.
I now read and see on ba.com that the route will start from 24/03 with a 737-500 during the week and a 737-400 at weekends. I'm not one to stop progress but I've had total sense of humour failure over this one and emailed the powers that be!
London have also championed the idea that they no longer want to be in the regions so why this now??????
and I honestly still love the job that I do! Must be bloody mad?
Watch out ASW this could be another attempt to secure your LGW slots - HISTORY REPEATING!!
BA's Commerical Director claims to have had a 'rethink' lets hope the public and the politicians come to their senses and protect ASW!
I've worked with an airline that started with 98 aircraft and now just has under 50. I've sat through base closures in BHD/LBA/NCL/GLA/SOU/JER/ABZ and PLH and seen people suffer. I remember I cried after arriving at work at 5am on the Monday back in 2003 to find out PLH was closing and BA were pulling out because the route was 'loss making' and the airline that had been around since 1969 was being dicked around.
I now read and see on ba.com that the route will start from 24/03 with a 737-500 during the week and a 737-400 at weekends. I'm not one to stop progress but I've had total sense of humour failure over this one and emailed the powers that be!
London have also championed the idea that they no longer want to be in the regions so why this now??????
and I honestly still love the job that I do! Must be bloody mad?
Watch out ASW this could be another attempt to secure your LGW slots - HISTORY REPEATING!!
BA's Commerical Director claims to have had a 'rethink' lets hope the public and the politicians come to their senses and protect ASW!
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I know where you are comming from DASH-7-LOVER , until some of these people have gone down this road it is difficult for them to understand.
With so much happening with the domestic scene of aviation what is the next installment for the domestic scene of aviation.
There are the lovers of aviation that are in the job and not the money but then there are the ones there to make money in a short time and shaft people by doing so.
With so much happening with the domestic scene of aviation what is the next installment for the domestic scene of aviation.
There are the lovers of aviation that are in the job and not the money but then there are the ones there to make money in a short time and shaft people by doing so.
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Maybe its me Groundhog as I dont have the airline background and knowledge like yourself but with BA abondoning the route four years ago and selling BACON to flybe obviously doing away with regional routes why would they want to reopen this one again?When the Raf vacate St Mawgan there is a great deal of hangar space that will become available which someone will take up.Or is it theyve heard that Ryan are pulling the plug on the Stanstead route and are looking for a way in there.The plot thickens.
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BA do like regional routes, but they do have to be in and out of London! Doubt v much they'll want Air SW LGW slots as they've been slowly releasing slots as they've been downsizing in the last few years.
BA flying that route could well be a wake up call to others involved. But it will certainly be an interesting time whatever happens. How committed will BA be to the route if they dont start seeing good profits when winter comes around again?
I think Asw will still do quite well as to my knowledge, they will still get the funding for the route.
However the question they really might want to consider asking is - who wants to fly into Plymouth for a quick stop before then flying on to Newquay, when we can fly direct with BA?
I'm aware Asw's newest route is direct, and so is the very last one of the day. But might it be worth rethinking the way the aircraft routes to care for the bigger market?
I think Asw will still do quite well as to my knowledge, they will still get the funding for the route.
However the question they really might want to consider asking is - who wants to fly into Plymouth for a quick stop before then flying on to Newquay, when we can fly direct with BA?
I'm aware Asw's newest route is direct, and so is the very last one of the day. But might it be worth rethinking the way the aircraft routes to care for the bigger market?
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Dash7 Lover- what's this about BA's Commercial Director having a 'rethink'?
Have they suddenly realised they are going to lose a bundle of money, particularly as the rumours around Gatwick are that BA's handling contract with ASW (£600k per year) is likely to be terminated:
Have they suddenly realised they are going to lose a bundle of money, particularly as the rumours around Gatwick are that BA's handling contract with ASW (£600k per year) is likely to be terminated: