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Ryanair Hub at Edinburgh
I was talking with a friend about Ryanair yesterday. He's heard a rumour that Ryanair will be making Edinburgh one of its hub and will be using a new satellite added on to the end of the terminal building?
Anyone else heard about this?
Anyone else heard about this?
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Well it seems, EasyJet are down sizing.
I flew STN-EDI on Wednesday and landed 15 mins ahead of schedule. Upon arrival we were told there were no stands available and there would be a short delay.
Some 15 minutes later the captain came on for a moan and said that BA were blocking all stands and that there does not appear to be any urgency into shifting back one of the culprits.
Another 10 mins pass and the captain says we will be shortly on our way although this behaviour from the ATC and ground staff was one of the reasons why Easyjet will NOT be expanding from EDI.
I flew STN-EDI on Wednesday and landed 15 mins ahead of schedule. Upon arrival we were told there were no stands available and there would be a short delay.
Some 15 minutes later the captain came on for a moan and said that BA were blocking all stands and that there does not appear to be any urgency into shifting back one of the culprits.
Another 10 mins pass and the captain says we will be shortly on our way although this behaviour from the ATC and ground staff was one of the reasons why Easyjet will NOT be expanding from EDI.
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Another 10 mins pass and the captain says we will be shortly on our way although this behaviour from the ATC and ground staff was one of the reasons why Easyjet will NOT be expanding from EDI.
As has already been pointed out to you, how this could have anything to do with ATC or the ground staff is beyond me??? EZY continue to expand from EDI with CDG just started this week, and GDN and KRK starting at the end of October, plus rumours of a 5th aircraft are circulating. Not sure what makes you think they are going to stop just because of a bit of ramp congestion, which can happen at any of the airports they fly to. Think LGW!
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I assume Stand Allocation at EDI is similar to LHR.
It is a BAA department, but works v closely with ATC. BAA decide where the inbound aircraft will park. But when it is loaded and doors closed it is up to ATC to give permission to push back and taxi.
So, if the ground handlers have the aircraft loaded, and the doors are closed, theoretically ATC could get the aircraft pushed back and it can hold on a taxiway while to new inbound can pull on to stand.
It is a BAA department, but works v closely with ATC. BAA decide where the inbound aircraft will park. But when it is loaded and doors closed it is up to ATC to give permission to push back and taxi.
So, if the ground handlers have the aircraft loaded, and the doors are closed, theoretically ATC could get the aircraft pushed back and it can hold on a taxiway while to new inbound can pull on to stand.
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I understand that. It is always up to ATC to gert the aircraft pushed and started. But IF they aren't ready the same stand may be allocated and the inbound waits . It is the responsibility of the aerodrome operator to allocate stands NOT ATC . ATC can be as frustrated as anyone..we are the people who do the "fielding"of the aircrew "comments" in the first instance!
I understand that. It is always up to ATC to gert the aircraft pushed and started. But IF they aren't ready the same stand may be allocated and the inbound waits . It is the responsibility of the aerodrome operator to allocate stands NOT ATC . ATC can be as frustrated as anyone..we are the people who do the "fielding"of the aircrew "comments" in the first instance!
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Stand allocation at EDI is a thorny issue for all involved and the delays are mainly down to lack of spare capacity (none) when the airport is busy. The stand allocation is driven by the ground handling agents in conjunction with the BAA. If a change of stand does not suit for operational reasons, then there is not much that can be done.
That people seem to be bleating about ATC being responsible for stand allocation and the resultant mexican stand-offs is ill-informed twaddle and well wide of the mark. Yes we do, where possible, try to keep things going smoothly and liaise with the BAA to try and suggest other alternatives. But that call ultimately lies with the handling agent and the BAA. They have the final call on it.
Remote holding is an option, but anyone who knows EDI well, will be aware that remote holding space is tight. Anyway, if the aircraft on stand does not want to remote hold, or is not ready to do so, then there is not much that can be done.
As for CAT 5 and his interesting flowery story, I would take that with a large pinch of salt. The decision for expansion of an airlines operation will be taken far above the head of a line captain/co-pilot - if indeed they did make those comments. We'll just have to see what happens over the next few months. I think they might be needing a few more stands than the ones that are already under construction.
That people seem to be bleating about ATC being responsible for stand allocation and the resultant mexican stand-offs is ill-informed twaddle and well wide of the mark. Yes we do, where possible, try to keep things going smoothly and liaise with the BAA to try and suggest other alternatives. But that call ultimately lies with the handling agent and the BAA. They have the final call on it.
Remote holding is an option, but anyone who knows EDI well, will be aware that remote holding space is tight. Anyway, if the aircraft on stand does not want to remote hold, or is not ready to do so, then there is not much that can be done.
As for CAT 5 and his interesting flowery story, I would take that with a large pinch of salt. The decision for expansion of an airlines operation will be taken far above the head of a line captain/co-pilot - if indeed they did make those comments. We'll just have to see what happens over the next few months. I think they might be needing a few more stands than the ones that are already under construction.
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The Rolls Royce powered version has the greater efficiency and range, hence it's much greater popularity. Thought JFK was replacing ATL. Won't they undermine each other?
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I am convinced that DL had greater expansion plans with the ex TWA
757's from JFK but slot restrictions have played havoc and hence the
various changes.
Nine of the new 75W routes are downgrades and I would say EDI has
definitely gained as word on other forums was ATL was definitely chopped.
I believe 13 out of 17 of the ex TWA machines now have routes - yes 17
per another forum, having secured another two in the last week.
All will have AVOD's so should be a reasonable trip across the pond if you
like that sort of thing but ATL is certainly pushing it from EDI. CO's TXL-EWR tech stops about 10-15 times a year apparently due en-route weather.
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757's from JFK but slot restrictions have played havoc and hence the
various changes.
Nine of the new 75W routes are downgrades and I would say EDI has
definitely gained as word on other forums was ATL was definitely chopped.
I believe 13 out of 17 of the ex TWA machines now have routes - yes 17
per another forum, having secured another two in the last week.
All will have AVOD's so should be a reasonable trip across the pond if you
like that sort of thing but ATL is certainly pushing it from EDI. CO's TXL-EWR tech stops about 10-15 times a year apparently due en-route weather.
Pete
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You sure about that Skipness?
B752- "Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm)."
DL have always been looking at the possibility of operating ATL summer only since they decided it was for the chop, I'm glad to see they've gone ahead with those plans.
As for TXL-EWR, in the summer CO were blocking 25 seats westbound due to range restrictions. Just now that number is 40 although if EDI-ATL is going to be summer only we shouldn't have to worry about winter restrictions.
B752- "Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm)."
DL have always been looking at the possibility of operating ATL summer only since they decided it was for the chop, I'm glad to see they've gone ahead with those plans.
As for TXL-EWR, in the summer CO were blocking 25 seats westbound due to range restrictions. Just now that number is 40 although if EDI-ATL is going to be summer only we shouldn't have to worry about winter restrictions.
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Fairly sure yes, that explains why on ETOPS, it was the prefferred engine of choice on the Atlantic with the exception of, if memory serves, American Trans Air. The aircraft here though may be the very late production TWA models which are rather beefed up though in an attempt to keep the 757 line open.
I can't argue with your figures since you don't tell me where you got them from.
B752- "Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm)."
It wasn't the Boeing site as there's no split between the RB211-535C / E4 and the PW2037 / PW2040. It's worth remembering that range is dependent on payload carried as well. Think EDI-ATL is a bit desperate though as point to point it's not going to work and now they're serving two hubs this summer whereas last year they weren't making sufficient money on one?
I can't argue with your figures since you don't tell me where you got them from.
B752- "Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm)."
It wasn't the Boeing site as there's no split between the RB211-535C / E4 and the PW2037 / PW2040. It's worth remembering that range is dependent on payload carried as well. Think EDI-ATL is a bit desperate though as point to point it's not going to work and now they're serving two hubs this summer whereas last year they weren't making sufficient money on one?