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DL's new 757s? Arent these the aircraft logo'ed Song?
Flew on them recently, the seat back IFE cost $5.00 for headsets and $5 for films.
Can't help feeling that a predator will eventually step into their discarded EDI-ATL route. 87,000 pax in a first year is not to be sneezed at.
How many first year UK-USA regional airport routes have achieved that?
Flew on them recently, the seat back IFE cost $5.00 for headsets and $5 for films.
Can't help feeling that a predator will eventually step into their discarded EDI-ATL route. 87,000 pax in a first year is not to be sneezed at.
How many first year UK-USA regional airport routes have achieved that?
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MAN flies around 130,000 on the route anually. Don't know why it was downgraded froma T7 afew years ago to a 763, but now upto a 764 and looking good!
Maybe the JFK route will do ok! GSM havn't ventured onto the atlantic routes from the airport, and JFK offers better connections that CO can do at Newark, so why not? After all, they have been able to take on BA and CO at MAN!
Why didn't DL just downgrade on the ATL route instead of moving the route all together?
Maybe the JFK route will do ok! GSM havn't ventured onto the atlantic routes from the airport, and JFK offers better connections that CO can do at Newark, so why not? After all, they have been able to take on BA and CO at MAN!
Why didn't DL just downgrade on the ATL route instead of moving the route all together?
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DL@JFK offers better connections than CO@EWR, errrrr I don't think so, not by a LONG way.
Also, they couldn't have downgraded the ATL route, they do not have any 762s in their international fleet, and the 752 cannot make ATL-EDI.
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Mike
Also, they couldn't have downgraded the ATL route, they do not have any 762s in their international fleet, and the 752 cannot make ATL-EDI.
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Mike
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Joe, it would be a very brave predator to fly EDI-ATL. If Delta can't make money flying from their BIGGEST HUB, good luck to all those others.......
er where?
And as for 87,000 pax flying a route you've been posting long enough to know that even a 100% load factor can be loss making if the yield is low. Scotland is highly seasonal and hard to balance the books when you have a nice big premium cabin to fill and you have to discount to do it.
er where?
And as for 87,000 pax flying a route you've been posting long enough to know that even a 100% load factor can be loss making if the yield is low. Scotland is highly seasonal and hard to balance the books when you have a nice big premium cabin to fill and you have to discount to do it.
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One of ATL's problems is the fact that a lot of domestic
flights going north arrived too late at the various hubs for onward domestic connections. Try going EDI-ATL-SLC-IDA
for instance without having to overnight in SLC! I thought
I had a good range of flights getting me into IDA same day when I originally booked but Delta managed to change
my original booking SIX times. Hopefully JFK will be better
for a same day range of flights throughout the USA.
DL would have fared better year-round on EDI-ATL if the flight departed EDI a few hours earlier to enable better connections at ATL.. btw..DL's loads were in excess of 75% year-round at EDI, not bad for a new route in it's first year? Did MAN-ATL achieve that?
flights going north arrived too late at the various hubs for onward domestic connections. Try going EDI-ATL-SLC-IDA
for instance without having to overnight in SLC! I thought
I had a good range of flights getting me into IDA same day when I originally booked but Delta managed to change
my original booking SIX times. Hopefully JFK will be better
for a same day range of flights throughout the USA.
DL would have fared better year-round on EDI-ATL if the flight departed EDI a few hours earlier to enable better connections at ATL.. btw..DL's loads were in excess of 75% year-round at EDI, not bad for a new route in it's first year? Did MAN-ATL achieve that?
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DL@JFK offers better connections than CO@EWR, errrrr I don't think so, not by a LONG way.
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DL are renowned for chopping and changing. Route did well in the summer, if it wasn't making money when it was full with pax and cargo then DL must be doing something wrong. Winter was a different story however it seems although I thought it would have been sustainable still even with the lower winter load factors.
They maybe should have tried a seasonal flight to ATL aswell as JFK. However then comes the problem of BAA and in their inability to provide adequate facilities when required. There would be nowhere to put 2 CO B752s, 1 DL B763 and 1 DL B752 if the above situation was to have become reality, but it hasn't so it's fairly irrelevant I suppose.
They maybe should have tried a seasonal flight to ATL aswell as JFK. However then comes the problem of BAA and in their inability to provide adequate facilities when required. There would be nowhere to put 2 CO B752s, 1 DL B763 and 1 DL B752 if the above situation was to have become reality, but it hasn't so it's fairly irrelevant I suppose.
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There would be nowhere to put 2 CO B752s, 1 DL B763 and 1 DL B752 if the above situation was to have become reality, but it hasn't so it's fairly irrelevant I suppose.
But with more than a spark of truth... Time for BAA to provide the facilities. Pronto..?
But with more than a spark of truth... Time for BAA to provide the facilities. Pronto..?
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DLs loads were in excess of 75% year round?
Are you sure. Think I would need some documented eveidence for that one, my provisonal calculations for the last 6 months anyway are way short of this figure.
Youre not honestly telling me that simply moving this flight to an earlier EDI departure would have stopped it getting the axe? If it had been that easy then im sure those far more in the know would have done so, saving the extra money required to set up a new heavily competitive route to NYC. We'll see how long the EDI-NYC route lasts in the planned format of 3 times daily year round service. The winter, like DL to ATL will be very telling, and perhaps we'll revisit this thread, like we've had to revisit the axing of DL to ATL, in a few months. Interesting times ahead.
Are you sure. Think I would need some documented eveidence for that one, my provisonal calculations for the last 6 months anyway are way short of this figure.
Youre not honestly telling me that simply moving this flight to an earlier EDI departure would have stopped it getting the axe? If it had been that easy then im sure those far more in the know would have done so, saving the extra money required to set up a new heavily competitive route to NYC. We'll see how long the EDI-NYC route lasts in the planned format of 3 times daily year round service. The winter, like DL to ATL will be very telling, and perhaps we'll revisit this thread, like we've had to revisit the axing of DL to ATL, in a few months. Interesting times ahead.
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DLs loads were in excess of 75% year round?
Are you sure. Think I would need some documented eveidence for that one, my provisonal calculations for the last 6 months anyway are way short of this figure.
Youre not honestly telling me that simply moving this flight to an earlier EDI departure would have stopped it getting the axe?
Are you sure. Think I would need some documented eveidence for that one, my provisonal calculations for the last 6 months anyway are way short of this figure.
Youre not honestly telling me that simply moving this flight to an earlier EDI departure would have stopped it getting the axe?
August 06- 77%
September 06- 79%
October 06- 70%
November 06- 72%
December 06- 66%
January 07- 61%
February 07- 45%
March 07- 76%
April 07- 84%
Works out as an average of 70.9% if that's what Joe meant. All the info is on CAA if you don't believe me. DL's B763s used to have 214 seats, then 204 over winter and are currently operating with 199 seats.
As for an earlier departure time, the EDI flight didn't arrive into ATL until 1715, which when the route is virtually totally reliant on onward connections is quite late I'd of said, certainly quite a lot later than most if not all of DL's other European flights.
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Hi folks,
Following the horrible events at GLA tonight (really hope the pax and crew there are off the tarmac now) I see that EDI have "closed the forecourt", although other information indicates that this only applies to private vehicles. Can't seem to get any more detail than that, though, and would be grateful for any practical info like:
If one was planning to take a cab to the airport tomorrow pm to go on ones holidays, will said cab be able to drive up to the airport building, or do we need to allow time to walk the last couple of hundred yards with bags and kid?
There doesn't seem to be an email addy for BAA Edi enquiries, or would go there; don't really want to pester with phone calls when the lines may be jammed by relatives of people stuck there (although up to date departures don't look too bad - no guarantee that there are any SLF on the planes, though, they could still be sitting biting their nails in the Highland Showground!). Any guidance gratefully received.
Cheers,
SP
Following the horrible events at GLA tonight (really hope the pax and crew there are off the tarmac now) I see that EDI have "closed the forecourt", although other information indicates that this only applies to private vehicles. Can't seem to get any more detail than that, though, and would be grateful for any practical info like:
If one was planning to take a cab to the airport tomorrow pm to go on ones holidays, will said cab be able to drive up to the airport building, or do we need to allow time to walk the last couple of hundred yards with bags and kid?
There doesn't seem to be an email addy for BAA Edi enquiries, or would go there; don't really want to pester with phone calls when the lines may be jammed by relatives of people stuck there (although up to date departures don't look too bad - no guarantee that there are any SLF on the planes, though, they could still be sitting biting their nails in the Highland Showground!). Any guidance gratefully received.
Cheers,
SP
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Lufthansa has filed an application with the German slot coordinator for 6 weekly (X7) flights from DUS to EDI for winter 07/08 (29OCT07-29MAR08). So far, only arrival slots for mondays and thursdays have been cleared. Flights numbers LH4946/4947, equipment "CRJ". Early morning departure from DUS with a DUS based aircraft.
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You will NOT be allowed to drop off or pick up near the fore court at EDI. Taxi's will be dropping off in the carparks, and pax will have to walk the rest of the way to terminal. Allow about 3+ hours to get through the whole arrivel/check-in/securoty process from now on guys
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Its time we all got used to enhanced security, access restrictions and more ques at not only EDI but all UK / European airports. The 'nightmare' scenario we see ourselves in now is here to stay and will probably get worse rather than better thanks to a few 'rogue' elements within our society 
As Spain has implemented the new APIS (Advanced Passenger Information System) requirement (a full year early), the ques are already lengthly - even before the attack on GLA last week. Wait until the rest of Europe implement the APIS system this time next year! That coupled with the Americans 'withdrawing' the Visa Waiver system for the British...
Batten down the hatches and get used to it!
Maybe the tram system (hanging by a thread) for the airport will be saved...
Could also utilise the longstay at the top of the airport road, with busses going up and down to the airport. Couldnt possibly be any dearer than the BAA carparks!
Could turn the multi storey car park into an 'extended' terminal, to house the ques of people!!!
Whatever next!
PS - Having worked at EDI for the past 18 years, nothing would surprise me now, knowing what the BAA are like
As Spain has implemented the new APIS (Advanced Passenger Information System) requirement (a full year early), the ques are already lengthly - even before the attack on GLA last week. Wait until the rest of Europe implement the APIS system this time next year! That coupled with the Americans 'withdrawing' the Visa Waiver system for the British...
Batten down the hatches and get used to it!
Maybe the tram system (hanging by a thread) for the airport will be saved...
Could also utilise the longstay at the top of the airport road, with busses going up and down to the airport. Couldnt possibly be any dearer than the BAA carparks!
Could turn the multi storey car park into an 'extended' terminal, to house the ques of people!!!
Whatever next!
PS - Having worked at EDI for the past 18 years, nothing would surprise me now, knowing what the BAA are like
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tristar: Batten down the hatches and get used to it??????????????
Please don't tell me you work in EDI, or any other airport.
Where does this blame culture get us?
This is the defeatist attitude that has us in this state!
Please don't tell me you work in EDI, or any other airport.
Where does this blame culture get us?
This is the defeatist attitude that has us in this state!
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Ba Bring Back Staff
From what I hear BA have had to bring some staff back to EDI as aviance are making a right b*lls of things as usual, and their main business customers from the Royal Bank Of Scotland aren't to happy about it!
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BA staff
This is hardly a surprise, the delays on some services lately has been shocking - the LCY service has suffered quite a bit, and this is the one RBS buy a lot of seats on and is also Cityflyers bread and butter
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Not sure that is true.
I passed through EDI twice last week and service was excellent. However looking at the departure screens every BA flight had at least a 1 hour delay due late arriving.
I think the major issue here is that BA can not get a flight leaving London away on time...and I am sure that is mostly due to LHR/LGW/LCY congestion or ATC
I passed through EDI twice last week and service was excellent. However looking at the departure screens every BA flight had at least a 1 hour delay due late arriving.
I think the major issue here is that BA can not get a flight leaving London away on time...and I am sure that is mostly due to LHR/LGW/LCY congestion or ATC