EDINBURGH

[Bartek]

No, UA are operating to EWR 2 x daily from EDI during the peak summer months next year.

[LFT]

Thanks, I thought that with figures EWR-EDI being on the slide the last few months they'd dumped the 2nd daily.

[Bartek]

9% growth on the EDI-EWR route last month. It's a solid performer, and one UA is sticking to year-round and daily. Fortunately it's not the gone the way of other UK regional services to EWR that have either disappeared entirely or had frequency reductions this winter.

[CabinCrewe]

All the statistical evidence shows that very few people travelling to/from Edinburgh will consider flights from GLA
Now they are statistics Id love you to show us. Sorry I don't believe that for a minute.

[Bartek]

5.2% of GLA's total passenger throughput comes from the 'EH' postcode area:
http://www.baa.com/assets//Internet/...cess_02_09.pdf

2.4% of EDI's total passenger throughput comes from the 'G' postcode area:
http://www.baa.com/assets//B2CPortal...rfaceFeb07.pdf

BAA the source in both cases.

The two airports very much draw on their own local catchment areas in the vast majority of cases. And with the shoddy transport situation in central Scotland it's not hard to see why.

[CabinCrewe]

with figures EWR-EDI being on the slide
Hadnt realised there had been such big drops
October down 15%
September down 8%
August down 6%
July down 2%
June down 8%

[Exasperated]

All the statistical evidence shows that very few people travelling to/from Edinburgh will consider flights from GLA
Now they are statistics Id love you to show us. Sorry I don't believe that for a minute.

Ask and it shall be given

The stats can be verified using the 2009 CAA passenger survey report of passenger origin/destination which I have summarised below:

Glasgow

Glasgow catchment area - 5.084m
Edinburgh catchment area - 880k
Prestwick catchment area - 703k

Edinburgh

Glasgow catchment area - 492k
Edinburgh catchment area - 7.899m
Prestwick catchment area - 50k

Prestwick

Glasgow catchment area - 383k
Edinburgh catchment area - 292k
Prestwick catchment area - 924k

Any non Scottish or Highland origin/destination pax have been ignored and is based on the "county" reported by the pax. I have used Google maps to determine the catchment airport based on the centre point of the county and the shortest driving distance. And I have been generous to GLA as South Lanarkshire is technically closer to Edinburgh by distance but I have categorised as Glasgow as the motorway link makes it closer by time.

Make of that whatever you want

Ex

[LFT]

"9% growth on the EDI-EWR route last month. It's a solid performer, and one UA is sticking to year-round and daily. Fortunately it's not the gone the way of other UK regional services to EWR that have either disappeared entirely or had frequency reductions this winter."

June 2011 -8%
July 2011 -2%
Aug 2011 -6%
Sept 2011 -8%
Oct 2011 -15%

Nov 2011 +9% (net gain 783 pax over Nov 2010)

"All the statistical evidence shows that very few people travelling to/from Edinburgh will consider flights from GLA (and vice versa)."

Net loss at that other place compared to Nov 2010 -12% - 1089 pax.

Fortunate indeed.

[Bartek]

Looks like UA know what they are doing in deciding both winter and summer capacity from Scotland. They've no doubt seen the tourism stats, and propensity to fly data.

[LFT]

"Looks like UA know what they are doing in deciding both winter and summer capacity from Scotland. They've no doubt seen the tourism stats, and propensity to fly data."

June 2011 -8%
July 2011 -2%
Aug 2011 -6%
Sept 2011 -8%
Oct 2011 -15%
Nov 2011 + 9% Thoughts?

[The Hypnoboon]

These figures are interesting, sort of makes the case for retaining the airports at the two cities more compelling in my opinion (never been a big fan of the solitary central Scotland airport idea, but that's just me).

I must agree that there is far too much mud slinging goes on on the Scottish Airports forums but it does go both ways, EDI gets a new route Glasgow fans get jealous, Glasgow gains a new route, it's BAA's favouring Glasgow and Edinburgh fans get angry and jealous, Prestwick gains a new route and we're all amazed!

Let's just face facts. EDI is for the forseeable future going to be Central Scotlands number one airport, whether us at the western end of the M8 like it or not. The reality is EDI is constrained with the type of aircraft it can handle, GLA can handle bigger aircraft but is not as commercially attractive as Edinburgh (and PIK just needs to be rebuilt completely to make it even remotely attractive to new airlines, it pains me to say that because I like Prestwick, I grew up there and have flown from it many times). So people, please let the mud slinging stop and hope that over the next few months as the ownership issues of 2 of the 4 major airports are sorted out and aviation in Scotland can grow and prosper.

[nef]

Hmm, several hundred thousand each way is "very few"? The fact of the matter is that any sensible person from either city, whilst of course preferring their local airport, will consider a flight from another if it is cheaper/direct etc. This is clearly shown by the amount of pax who have been willing to travel to PIK over the years for FR's "low" fares. Of course, given the large amount of domestic pax at both airports and the comprehensive coverage of domestic routes at both airports, there is likely to not be much crossover on this front - most pax who do crossover will probably be international.

I believe that a study pointing to a not insignificant propensity to use/consider other central belt airports was a significant factor in the competition commission's decision to force a sale of EDI/GLA. I would respectfully suggest they will have carried out a fuller analysis than anyone here and, as experts, are similarly better judges of the situation.

The only exception to this are the minority of idiots who won't venture W of Harthill for anything ever as they have a dislike verging on bigotry of anyone or anything W of that point.

Regarding the stats posted, I would definitely suggest that S Lanarkshire is in the GLA catchment- as someone who has worked all over S Lan, the only bits that are realistically closer to EDI are the sparsely populated bits! Wrt not counting non-Scottish pax, the remainders seem bit high. If they are correct they show that all three airports have very few foreign originating pax, which I do not believe.

[PPRuNe Pop]

This thread is NOT abount any airport other tha EDI. If you wish to discuss GLA go there and discuss it. Fighting for one corner or the other is not acceptable. Got the point?

PPP

[Say again s l o w l y]

Unfortunately PP, you might be wasting your time. When it comes to the childish and idiotic rivalry between GLA and EDI, rational thought rarely enters the equation.
It doesn't matter if it's to do with football or airports. The same old rubbish comes out every time...

[Exasperated]

Wrt not counting non-Scottish pax, the remainders seem bit high. If they are correct they show that all three airports have very few foreign originating pax, which I do not believe.

Maybe I did not make myself clear. It assumes that those arriving at EDI (or any of the other airports listed) whose final destination is not central belt or departing where their journey start point is not central belt will be excluded. Non UK pax will be included where appropriate as it is based on ultimate destination for arriving and start point for departing regardless of nationality.

So a passenger arriving from Germany will be counted in the EDI stats if they plan to stay within the EDI catchment area and will be included again when they depart for the same reason if they are still in the same area.

Does that make more sense?

Ex

[theredbarron]

The Chinese are coming

Today's Herald reports that a delegation from China is coming over to Scotland in the new year to discuss setting up a new air link between Edinburgh and China. So, it wasn't just a fanciful piece of reporting to accompany Alex Salmond home from China last month; it very much looks like this is a serious effort to make something happen.

Comming hard on the heels of the TK announcement, more good news for EDI.

[Richard Taylor]

So they weren't just pandaring to the Chinese then?

[Skipness One Echo]

Comming hard on the heels of the TK announcement, more good news for EDI.

Commercially, EDI to China direct is a non starter, I see no way of making money there in the short to medium term. However if it's taxpayer subsidised who knows. I wouldn't put it past the SNP to fund it as part of a "look at what we can do now back our independence referendum position" strategy.

Turkish is great news though, not sure it's all about connectivity though, there is a lot of O&D I think?

[LFT]

So, the SCOTTISH Government wants to subsidise flights between Edinburgh and China, mmmhh...

[Bartek]

Originally Posted by LFT

So, the SCOTTISH Government wants to subsidise flights between Edinburgh and China

Last time I checked Edinburgh was in Scotland .. but actually they have said no such thing.