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I think a dose of reality is required here, instead of the usual Edinburgh versus Glasgow slanging match. Both are cities that require an airport, with a wide(ish) range of destinations.
Edinburgh has had phenomenal growth over the last few years, and because it has the stronger inbound market, it will continue to gain routes, airlines and passengers from continental Europe and possibly North America along with developing a smaller niche in the bucket and spade routes.
Glasgow, will probably stagnate a little in terms of passenger numbers airlines and routes, with routes continuing to be dominated by the bucket and spade destinations and domestic flights.
Prestwick, is harder to call. It will depend on what Infratil decide to do.
I think it will either continue with Ryanair at around the 1.3Million pax per year and sunshine routes or become an engineering hub, with limited cargo and passenger flights.
I think that the development of EDI or GLA as a hub is complete pie in the sky. Glasgow is too constrained by the M8 and the Black Cart, while Edinburgh does have space to the north(ish) of the runway, but under the current environmental regulations, consent would be difficult to obtain.
Thus, we're going to continue with the two major airports in the central belt and the eternal slanging match
Edinburgh has had phenomenal growth over the last few years, and because it has the stronger inbound market, it will continue to gain routes, airlines and passengers from continental Europe and possibly North America along with developing a smaller niche in the bucket and spade routes.
Glasgow, will probably stagnate a little in terms of passenger numbers airlines and routes, with routes continuing to be dominated by the bucket and spade destinations and domestic flights.
Prestwick, is harder to call. It will depend on what Infratil decide to do.
I think it will either continue with Ryanair at around the 1.3Million pax per year and sunshine routes or become an engineering hub, with limited cargo and passenger flights.
I think that the development of EDI or GLA as a hub is complete pie in the sky. Glasgow is too constrained by the M8 and the Black Cart, while Edinburgh does have space to the north(ish) of the runway, but under the current environmental regulations, consent would be difficult to obtain.
Thus, we're going to continue with the two major airports in the central belt and the eternal slanging match
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Originally Posted by billyg
Yes , since the Scottish "Government" took it's place in Edinburgh, the growth at EDI "over recent years" has been remarkable !
Also, it's palpably ludicrous to claim that tourists are suddenly flocking to Edinburgh on the basis that a Parliament now sits there again, and that it would have any bearing on a tourists' desire to come and visit one of Europe's most beautiful and dynamic cities. EDI has grown as Edinburgh has developed as a significant tourist destination - the most popular after London in the UK by quite a long way. In particular, as EDI's international connectivity has grown so the numbers of foreign tourists to Edinburgh has really taken off. It's no great mystery.
This is what we should have had of course. Grangemouth - halfway between the Weegies and the Edinbuggers, handy for the railway and completed just before war broke out. Site now occupied by the oil refinery.
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Turkish Airlines have today said they will launch IST-EDI in 2012.
Big kick in the teeth for GLA after saying they would go there, but, no doubt after the eastern connections away from Emirates.
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Big kick in the teeth for GLA after saying they would go there, but, no doubt after the eastern connections away from Emirates.
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Originally Posted by delta154
Big kick in the teeth for GLA after saying they would go there, but, no doubt after the eastern connections away from Emirates.
Congratulations to EDI and TK. It should do very well.
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IST is an excellent transit airport however Id be worried from a connection point of view that it will need to be heavily advertised, cant see many thinking first line to want to use it for asian /eastern connections, unless pushed into it via Star or Expedia.
Looks like a definitie pre-empt for double daily GLA-DXB and launch of their First Suite on the route. Cant see EK losing any sleep over it however. Might suggest there is no pending Qatar ex Scotland, as their product would have had TK for breakfast.
Looks like a definitie pre-empt for double daily GLA-DXB and launch of their First Suite on the route. Cant see EK losing any sleep over it however. Might suggest there is no pending Qatar ex Scotland, as their product would have had TK for breakfast.
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Originally Posted by LFT
EK will blow them out the water I'm afraid.
Maybe TK has figured there's enough of an opportunity to draw pax from EDI flights to LHR, CDG, FRA AMS. Fair play to them too for stepping in while EK, QR and EY apparently keep away.
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while EK, QR and EY apparently keep away.
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Fair play to them too for stepping in while EK, QR and EY apparently keep away.
(See the “Aircraft Ground Movement / Parking / Docking Chart” at NATS | AIS - Home if you want to see the layout of the aprons / taxiways /runways at EDI.)
Strengthening these taxiways / runway is likely to temporarily cause significant bottlenecks on the ground at EDI. To minimise such problems, one option might be to join up the apron and taxiways between the SE apron and the main apron (where the Archimedes pump is currently situated, in between stands 14 and 16) but this cannot be done until the apron drainage is redesigned. Once the main apron and the SE apron have been joined together this would provide a suitable taxiway for heavily loaded widebodies to depart from the large stands on the SE apron via the main apron. It would also provide additional stands and it would provide an additional route from the SE apron to Taxiway Alpha. At that time, taxiways Lima and Mike and the stretch of runway 12/30 between these taxiways and taxiways Hotel and Sierra (the recently added southern link between 12/30 and the SE apron and the link between 12/30 and the South cargo apron) should be able to be strengthened without causing as much disruption to ground movements.
The redesign of the drainage will need to be done within a couple of years in order to comply with regulations concerning de-icing fluid and the likes being deposited into water courses but one of the solutions being considered for this project involves re-routing the Gogar Burn and that will no doubt raise planning and environmental concerns.
A more immediate solution would be to re-instate diagonal stands on the north side of the main apron (somewhere in the area between stands 5 and 14). e.g. with BMI looking likely to cease flying soon, perhaps stand 6A could be re-instated along with the diagonal stand that used to exist between stands 11 and 14? Stands are in such short supply at EDI however that freeing up stands for long-haul widebodies is going to remain problematic until the aprons are further extended.
In addition to the airside constraints there are shortcomings with other terminal facilities for international flights at EDI which have been discussed in other posts in this thread.
My conclusion is that it’ll be a year or two before we see EK, QR, EY or any other airline introducing larger long-haul widebodies from EDI. In the meantime, B763s are likely to be the largest long-haul aircraft that can use EDI on a regular basis and even then there is doubt about whether or not the existing stands 2 and 4 can accommodate wingletted B763s unless the adjacent stands are shrunk in size which then creates knock-on problems.
I hope I’m wrong and that we see additional long haul flights from EDI sooner but I’m not holding my breath.
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if BAA makes these investments before the sale of EDI goes through.
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TK are a good addition for EDI and have definately taken advantage of a gap in the market thanks to EK's incomprehensible indecisiveness about introducing a second daily flight from GLA. However as a user in the past of TK from BHX, my personal opinion is that it can be very wearing to go all the way to India, Kenya and the Middle East on a single aisle aircraft (TK use 738's on a lot of their Asian and African mid haul sectors, EDI will probably also be a 738 or 320), the IFE is very poor (ceiling mounted TVs, very limited channel choices) and IST is a chaotic hub compared to DXB, with facilities very overstretched at key hub bank departure times. Not saying that they won't make a go of it from EDI and I will for sure fly with them again as their prices can be very competitive and their range of connections impressive, but for comfort, IFE and ease of transfer I always take a look at EK first and thats where TK will face stiff competiton at EDI especially if that second daily GLA starts as I am assuming it will in the near future (not to mention of course existing LH, KL and AF connections already from EDI).
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TK will face stiff competition at EDI
it looks as if TK are onto a winner... Sad really that EK are seemingly handicapped by the size of aircraft they prefer to use at EDI.
Two completely different subjects.
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
What's that got to do with TK launching an IST route?
GayFriendly, TK is definitely good news for EDI, but I really don't see EK at GLA making a difference one way or the other. If EK is concerned about losing market share in the EDI catchment area then it should launch from EDI, rather than waving at people from the opposite end of the M8. All the statistical evidence shows that very few people travelling to/from Edinburgh will consider flights from GLA (and vice versa). There's definitely a massive opportunity for TK here, and good luck to them.
