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Old 21st Oct 2005, 00:08
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What I was trying to find out is that LCC are very good at getting 'blood out of a stone' and the link is pointing to the them paying £8.09 per passenger.

The usual rate is nearer £2 than £8 for these airlines, so the chances/odds are on them having come to some sort of an arrangement whereby they are not paying the £8.09.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 00:49
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Flybe pulling out at LPL

Looks like Flybe are pulling LPL-EXT service on the 16th Feb coinciding with new twice daily service from MAN-EXT. Can't book LPL-EXT past the 16th Feb and its not showing on their timetable past that date.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 17:02
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Without wanting to highjack the Liverpool thread - which is what appears to have happened for a short while - I feel that I have to quantify the reply that you have given with reference to the Manchester Charges and Fees.

The figure that you have quoted of £8.09 is the PFC (Passenger Facility Charge) for international passengers at peak time. The charge for domestic passengers is £1.50, plus the runway fees etc etc. The paragraph that I had hoped you would have found was 7.2, which refers to Incentives for airlines starting new routes. If you look that that section you would find the fee to be £3.00 in the first year, rising to £5.00 in year 3. The incentive charge is fully inclusive and therefore offers extremely good value to an airline looking to start a new route - and giving a good opportunity for the route to be developed and become profitable.

Hopefully on that note we can now return the thread to its true role of promoting Liverpool's development.

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Old 21st Oct 2005, 17:17
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For a 'new route'.

Does that mean a new route from MAN for an airline, in this case flybe to BHD.

Or does it mean a new route for the airport, which in this case is not correct because BACX fly the route.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 17:39
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The document states: "The Route is planned to be operated at least once every 14 days throughout the Summer or Winter Season from the date of inauguration; and the Route has not been served during the previous corresponding year from the Airport by any Airline; and when compared with the previous year, the total seating capacity of the Airline flown from the Airport has increased; and City Pair Airports are not included; and ......"

So, the MAN/BHD would not qualify, but the MAN/EXT would do.

Hope that helps to explain things a little for you - and makes my point of the incentives being available to all airlines.

PS - also says " Any second Airline that subsequently starts a New Route operated by a first Airline will benefit from the relevant All-Inclusive Charge until the first Airline no longer benefits from the All-Inclusive Charge"
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Wizz Air is to increase frequency to both Warsaw and Katowice ex Liverpool from the current three flights per week up to four per week later in the winter period.

From the start of the 2006 summer scheduling period both Warsaw and Katowice will see the frequency increased again to five flights per week.

It is thought that Ryanair will be basing aircraft number six at Liverpool before the main summer holiday period rush starts in July 2006.

BTW, Ryanair have brought forward the start of four of its routes ex NEMA. They will start 7th/8th/9th Feb instead of mid March.
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Old 3rd Nov 2005, 19:46
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According to flybe management there is no intention of withdrawl from liverpool,the scottish routes have underperformed but they see a long term future in SOU and BHD routes.
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Old 3rd Nov 2005, 20:59
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as for the scotish routes the timings wereall wrong i flew to glasgow at 1430 inthe afternoon only flight thats no good for business users also the flight was awful both ways noisey was an understetement awful landing at both ends was nearly sick it needs a early morning departure with a jet aircraft not a awful noisey prop aircraft nerver fly with flybee again awful service use ba out of man far superior
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Old 4th Nov 2005, 08:11
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Somehow cant' see a long term future for BHD - frequency being reduced in January from 4 to 2 daily weekdays - hardly inspires confidence with BHD - MAN starting in January.
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Old 11th Nov 2005, 20:38
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In an interview this week on local radio, Michael O'Leary was full of praise for Peel and the new terminal, and singled out check'in and the ramp staff in particular, for all pulling together. BTW a/c number six could arrive sortly.
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Lack of carpark space

I flew from Liverpool for the first time in August,to Madrid.I found it quicker to get to than Manchester driving.Had no problems with the airport itself,however finding a space in carpark a nightmare.The sign said a 170+ spaces,I could't find one.There were cars parked on the grass,I had to resort to lying in wait,until somebody vacated a place.Was I unlucky or is this a common problem?.It certainly made me a bit wary of using the airport again.
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Old 11th Nov 2005, 23:28
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Next time if there is a next time, try car park No2, the half empty one to the right as you approach the airport, as for parking on the grass, wot grass, though I take your point the No1 long stay does get fulled up.
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Cheers Mouser.Thanks for the tip.I did indeed use the carpark nearest the terminal,but ended up in the furthest part.I will take your advice next time!.(I'd like to try Poland,not an option from my local airport,yet!).
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It is thought that Ryanair will be basing aircraft number six at Liverpool before the main summer holiday period rush starts in July 2006.
The sixth based 737-800 is now said to be coming to Liverpool in February 2006.

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Also a new route is being started by Wizz Air to Gdansk from Liverpool.

The new route, starting 2nd March, will operate three times per week:

Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday

W6305 arr LPL 2020
W6306 dep LPL 2050

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Old 19th Nov 2005, 14:56
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flybe are dropping the Exeter route

Flybe will discontinue service from Exeter to Liverpool on Feb 15th. The airline currently operate a daily flight using a Dash 8-Q400.
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Old 19th Nov 2005, 20:10
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..... yes, as posted more than four weeks ago.
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Old 20th Nov 2005, 19:04
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Flybe - LPL

Good riddance to Flybe,
in my opinion they have held LPL to ransom from day one, (threatening to transfer their business to MAN if they didnt get adequete pax numbers.) - BA and BD will blast them away at MAN
LPL Wont miss them - and in my experience of dealing with them during turnarounds I know I certainly wont!!!!
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They wanted Manchester in the first instance just could not get the slots now they have them and now they will take Manchester by storn just as they are becoming the dominant airline at Birmingham.
The reason is code share with Continental
links to all over America from MAN, BHX, GLA and EDI

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Old 20th Nov 2005, 21:08
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NI,
Sorry but you want to get rid of an Airline?....
dwlpl,
Silly timings..Dep LPL 2050.....What time do you get to your Hotel?
Surely a 15/1700 would be better.
Is it an "Airline" or an "Airport" issue?
Any news on your Transat Service?
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Old 20th Nov 2005, 22:15
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Wizz are to start flights (due to the delivery of a new A320 to Gdansk?) the same week to Dortmund from Gdansk so I presume that the airline is entirely responsible for the schedules for both of the new routes.

The arrival time of midnight for a scheduled flight is not out of the ordinary. You only have to look at the arrivals board at any airport to see there are many, particularly in the summer months.

Also, what Transat service?
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