LIVERPOOL

[IB4138]

The ILS has been downgraded to CAT1, usually CAT2. This is due to extensive runway and lighting work.

Who made the decision to do this work at this time of year then, when the weather can, to say the least be doubtful?

Would that be airport management by chance?

[Vampy]

So when exactly would be a good time to upgrade the runway, which is a major operation taking 6months working flat out from 23.30-0559 (give or take)?!? Maybe you would prefer it in the summer months? When the Easyjet and Ryanair Summer schedules are full to bursting and still operating until 3am! But no, because then you'd be moaning about being diverted into Manchester along with 7 or 8 other flights who hadn't made it back by 23.30!
Are you seriously for real.........?

[dwlpl]

Passenger demands during the summer months dictated that the work goes on thought the winter months.

As Vampy says, LPL has flights throughout the night in summer and none during the night in winter.

This together with LPL being one of the least weather affected airports in the UK made it a no brainer.

Unfortuneatly they got a hit this time.

BTW, the sun is now shining and all is well.

[dwlpl]

Just been announced that due to the weather ALL BA domestic flights to/from Heathrow are cancelled.

Who takes the blame for this then IB4138?

[Helen49]

Thank goodness IB4138 isn't managing an airport......at least I hope not.......should stick to what he/she knows about......clearly not airfield ops and licensing!!
H49

[Friio4]

Think you'll find that most major airport runway upgrade work will take place over autumn/winter months.Between the summer schedules finishing and starting the following year. As Vampy says, during the summer schedules Easyjet, Ryanair and holiday charters operate into the early hours of the morning, whereas during the winter most flying has ceased by 23.30 anyway.
Airline Ops have had plenty of notice of this and months of planning has gone into it. All of the work has been NOTAM'd well in advance.
To blame airport management for one day of poor weather affecting operations is naive in the extreme. The result of the work being completed in the spring will greatly benefit the airport and airlines.

[IB4138]

Just been announced that due to the weather ALL BA domestic flights to/from Heathrow are cancelled.

Who takes the blame for this then IB4138?

BA...if you read that appropriate thread.....they will do anything to keep long haul flying. There was no justification in a total cancellation of domestic flights.

But why mention BA on this thread, dwlpl? They don't operate to/from Liverpool, so where is the relevance?

[exloadie]

Originally Posted by IB4138

BA...if you read that appropriate thread.....they will do anything to keep long haul flying. There was no justification in a total cancellation of domestic flights.

But why mention BA on this thread, dwlpl? They don't operate to/from Liverpool, so where is the relevance?

Think you will find FOG being the common thread i.e. both airports had it

[IB4138]

Not the way dwlpl's mind works, I'm afraid, ex-l.

He will just have seen it as a way of supporting his beloved LJLA, where he thinks everything is rosey and wonderful, by diverting attention and rubbishing somewhere else as a defence.

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by dwlpl

Passenger demands during the summer months dictated that the work goes on thought the winter months.

As Vampy says, LPL has flights throughout the night in summer and none during the night in winter.

This together with LPL being one of the least weather affected airports in the UK made it a no brainer.

Unfortuneatly they got a hit this time.

BTW, the sun is now shining and all is well.

Stansted had its runway relayed this summer over a 6 month period when its ILS was deduced to CAT1

Luton also had its runway relayed this year but did it in two stages. Stage 1 was from March 1st to June 30th when the runway was reduced to Cat 1. Stage 2 was from October 1st to November 30th but this was just for drainage work so the runway remained CAT 3.

Luton was very lucky as the fog stayed away at an airport that has a reputation as being foggy but then Luton did not choose to do the work over the winter. If it had then Luton would have been closed now for almost 4 day.

[Vampy]

rubbishing somewhere else as a defence.

Punchy this morning arent we[B]IB4138.[B] However, I don't recall dwlpl rubbishing anywhere at all. He merely pointed out that all BA domestic flights to/from Heathrow had been grounded due to the fog. He then asked you who was to blame, a question which you so far have failed to answer.
Nobody is under any illusion that everything at Liverpool is

rosey and wonderful

but it does make me laugh when people who think they have an idea about something come and post on here and then show that in fact they don't have the foggiest (pardon the pun). As LTNman points out Stansted and Luton both relaid their runways in Spring or Summer. However, the operational requirements at these airports, I should imagine, are such that those times of the year were the best times to do the work. Here at Liverpool, the Winter schedules are virtually finished by midnight, with virtually no movements until 6am. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, therefore, to work out that with that being the quietest period during the year, it would also be the best time to do the work.
So it's been foggy for a couple of days. This only actually affected Liverpool on one day (Tuesday), and on that particular day the RVRs and Vis were well below Cat II minima, nevermind Cat I, so even if the runway was fully serviceable and operational, the aircraft [B]STILL[B] couldn't have got in.

On your profile it says you are a Radio Presenter. If that's the case, then you may want to teach your colleagues at the BBC and Sky all about ATC and aviation as you appear to be so confident about your knowledge, as judging by the reports on TV they obviously have no idea what they're talking about. But then again, maybe you already have............

[IB4138]

Oh dear!

What an ill informed and uneducated person you appear to be vampy.

Firstly, if you would care to read the thread correctly, without the standard issue Liverpool spotters rose tinted specs on, you will see that I answered the previous question!

Secondly, you can imagine away about other airfields. Check your facts before putting your didgets to the keyboard!

Thirdly, you do not know the difference between a news journalist, who reads (ie. presents the news programs) and a radio presenter. They are not the same, far from it! Do not tar me with the same brush as the morons at BBC news, Sky news or ITN. They are not colleagues! That, I take as an insult!

I am a music and sports presenter, a far different animal .

Let me assume for once, that your name is Gordon........I shall play an appropriately titled trax , on one of my shows next week, especially for you!

[cesare.caldi]

Ryanair increase flight Liverpool to Italy

Ryanair from 1st July 2007 increase frequency of LPL-PSA and LPL-BGY from 4x week to daily.

LPL-PSA daily continue to be operated by LPL plane.
What others flights will be reduced at LPL to make space for this?

[Vampy]

What an ill informed and uneducated person you appear to be vampy

Never claimed to be Brain of Britain to be fair, however I do at least know how to spell 'digit'.
Also, speaking as an Air Traffic Controller at Liverpool, with friends at Stansted & Luton amongst others, I feel I may have more knowledge to add to this thread than you do.

Thirdly, you do not know the difference between a news journalist, who reads (ie. presents the news programs) and a radio presenter. They are not the same, far from it! Do not tar me with the same brush as the morons at BBC news, Sky news or ITN. They are not colleagues! That, I take as an insult!

It would appear you do not know the difference between an ATCO and a

Liverpool spotter

That I take as an insult.

Finally, you have no right to belittle 'spotters' when you're only interest according to your profile is 'ppruneing'............

[dwlpl]

Originally Posted by IB4138

Not the way dwlpl's mind works, I'm afraid, ex-l.
He will just have seen it as a way of supporting his beloved LJLA, where he thinks everything is rosey and wonderful, by diverting attention and rubbishing somewhere else as a defence.

Where am I rubbishing you?

[dwlpl]

Originally Posted by cesare.caldi

Ryanair from 1st July 2007 increase frequency of LPL-PSA and LPL-BGY from 4x week to daily.

LPL-PSA daily continue to be operated by LPL plane.
What others flights will be reduced at LPL to make space for this?

Since the start of the LPL/PSA route it has been daily (apart from this winter) and flown by LPL based aircraft.

[PPRuNe Pop]

OK, thats it. How do we stop this? Charging and defending over and over gets no-one anywhere.

This thread is closed is how.

Start another, but DO NOT raise these silly comments and claims about bad managment. It is NOT your decision is it. Get real. Anymore of it and some of you will take a Christmas break from PPRuNe.

Merry Xmas.

PPP