LIVERPOOL
 

Liverpool, it looks like were gett'in that runway extention, surveyors at the end 27 this morning.

Firstly start with a new surface! It's a joke, what ever they have done in the past few weeks seems to have made it a bit smoother! But what's the deal with the center line lights? They are like ramps! No problem in slowing down with 7500 feet, if you're struggling, the ramps will slow ya up! Are they industry standard?? How long's the extension?

MK

The runway is to get major attention approx this time next year I believe.

FlyBE on the way out?
 

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

Are their new services ex-MAN a precursor to a withdrawal from JLA?

Personally I think Liverpool was always the second best option for FlyBe.

They applied for numerous services Ex Manchester last year but could not get them as there were no slots availble. Man'' now has a number of prime slots available so they switched back !

Bigger catchment area and better connections...

Having been given the opportunity JLA should really have grabbed it with both hands... !

MAN will always play second fiddle to LHR and JLA will always suffer with MAN.

The airline blames a lack of business pax.

So what did they originally schedule, 1*per day to Exeter, Glasgow and Edinburgh, with all having departures in the mid afternoon. Not surprising that they did not get the customers paying the fares they wanted then.

They are to move into MAN with the opening up of TWO returns per day (the day after they stop flying LPL/EXT) to Exeter to 'enable business passengers a full day to do business'.

They are to reduce in January the LPL/BHD from 4*per day to 2*per day with a maximum time in Belfast for any passenger on a weekday is ONE HOUR before returning to LPL.

As for potential passenger catchment areas there is not a lot to choose between them both (5-7million for both LPL and MAN within 1 hours drive, with a max of 15million from LPL and 17million from MAN within a two hour drive - source CAA) but an airline flying from MAN has to contend with other airlines on most potential routes flybe may serve, whereas from LPL (IOM apart) they have no competition.

I think you will find that the reason they want Manchester and not Liverpool is that they code share with Continental Airlines
to the states and therefore look at all that extra inbound business class traffic they can generate

G-I-B

Did'nt they think of that before they made the move into LPL, my guess is the Manchester backhand money is the real reason, and to give LPL a bloody nose, whenever they can.

As Bagso pointed out they tried last year but the slots were not available
so next best thing I guess but now the world is their oyster

G-I-B

Doesn't it strike anyone how Flybe are threatening to pull out of LPL and at the same time have said they will be starting new routes from MAN in the year to come?

Are any new aircraft on the way or is it just a case of conveniently switching aircraft between the two airports?

Very well put dwlpl.
The routes and timings they introduced from Liverpool just appeared to be a token gesture, knowing full well they would fail.
I think they just wanted a foot hold in the Northwest whilst waiting for a better opportunity to turn up.
Personally I am very disappointed in them. All the hype and promises they came out with at the start were nothing but lip service to Liverpool.
After listening to an interview with Mike Rutter on Radio Merseyside a few weeks ago he more or less said they would be going to Manchester eventually and he didnt seem that bothered about letting Liverpool down. You win some you lose some was something like his response.

I thank you Friio4.

Has anyone else noticed the standard press release Mike Rutter gives out when new routes are added re the promises he makes?

Some weeks after he announced the Liverpool services he did the same for Leeds and Norwich. I note that BHD/NWI is going the same way as LPL with the first (BHD) route being stopped. Wonder if he has more announcements in line for them?

Manchester transparent fees and charges
 

Mouser

You always seem to have a bit of a vendetta against Manchester, and I am sorry that anything that detracts from Liverpool appears to upset you.

Liverpool has made great advances over the last few years and deserve to be where it is are now - not many aoirports can be claiming the percentage increase there has been in the past year. During it's history Manchester has had many ups and downs caused by the loss of services - it is a way of life.

One thing that Manchester has offered for many a year, as far as I am aware, is an open book on fees and charges - together with assistance that may be offered to new airlines. Have a look at the airport's website and then go to the Fees and Charges subsection in the Literature Archive under 'About Us and Our Group' and you will find the full details.

I don't think that you will find it is so much a case of poaching, but rather one of slots becoming available with the reduction in British Airways flights.

Scottie Dog

I cant really see there is much more Liverpool could have done. Surely it is the airline that decides the timings not the airport. Apart from BHD, one flight a day during mid afternoon is no good for the business community. Then Flybe have the cheek to say the business community is not using the services so they are stopping them, no wonder.

If I have read the above link properly then LCC must be losing money on routes ex MAN because they are being charged more 4 times (£8.09 as against the rumoured £1.50) as much per international passsenger than they are a LPL.

Unless they have a 'deal'.

dwpl

From a quick look at the flybe website once all the taxes and surcharges are included they are charging about £10 more for flights ex MAN than LPL. In no doubt due to the higher airport charges they are paying at MAN.

Flybe warns it may pull out of Liverpool airport

Helen Carter
Thursday October 20, 2005
The Guardian


The budget airline Flybe is poised to pull out of Liverpool unless there is a sudden dramatic rise in business passengers.
The Exeter-based carrier will stop flying from John Lennon airport to Edinburgh at the end of this month, following its recent cancellation of the Liverpool-Glasgow service. The remaining four routes from the city are said to be under "urgent review".

Simon Lilley, head of marketing, warned that Flybe's services to Southampton, Exeter, Belfast and Jersey were at risk. "We are not happy with the performance of the remaining routes and they are all under urgent review," he said.

Well they must be very happy as
Hapag Lloyd Express, Sky Europe
Flybe all adding flights for next year
Jet2, BMIbaby operating large number of flights the only poor performer is Air Berlin
which I think you can blame on their own advertising which is poor to put it mildly
If they were not happy they would simply up sticks and go to somewhere they thought they could make more money
Most of them when you look at it go to major airports like Amsterdam and Paris
which I`m sure must be equally or more expensive than Manchester

I Think Manchester has the mix just about right with Locos, Charter, European full cost airlines , plenty of long haul and cargo which means if something fails there is always something to fall back on

G-I-B

G-IB - Are you on the right thread this is Liverpool, the services you mention are from Manchester??
:ugh:

Yes I was answering Dwlp

G-I-B