HUMBERSIDE

[GBALU53]

Ref 2006 FLTS TO Jersey

Looking on the Air Southwest webb sight the PLH-JER-PLH rotation on a saturday has a large gap in jersey, it looks like it may be doing the Humberside charter as per the similar schedule of summer 2005.

But lets hope its not it would be nice to see another face operating these sectors.

[AndyHUY]

I have visited HUY once and whilst it does have a lot of lights and a few JP's what else can it offer?

Madbadrob, i agree with you that DSA has achieved a lot in the short time it has been open, i hope it keeps growing. Would love to see some new faces in 06 maybe more easyjet??

HUY offers convenience to the people of the region, the thing is it doesnt offer what others do.... a lo-co. A few years ago this would have been understandable as i may have had second thaughts on the catchment area etc... After seeing EXT,NWI and BLK, to name a few, gaining flights and pax leaving HUY the only one without a lo-co, it makes it obvious that HUY could be in a bigger league again like MME size.

I dont think DSA is holding it back it must be internal...

[mmeteesside]

Looking on the Air Southwest webb sight the PLH-JER-PLH rotation on a saturday has a large gap in jersey, it looks like it may be doing the Humberside charter as per the similar schedule of summer 2005.

It is Air Southwest, here is the schedule as it stands at the moment......
JER-HUY WOW9310 1320/1440
HUY-JER WOW9311 1510/1630

Source: Channel Islands Travel Service

mmeteesside

[7006 fan]

Madbadrob

At least we HUY types have the b*lls to make our comments in public, unlike DSA that has it's own secret society web-site, (have to register who you are, so the bogie man can get you if you spit anti-DSA verbage) they don't like washing their laundry in public you see.
Site has been pretty clean up to now, but trust some DSA bod to come and spoil the party.
HUY may be small and offer, from your opinion a few flights, but at least there is a 'flag carrier' at HUY, and HUy have not sold their soul for tuppence'hapny to get a load of flights for the people on benefits.
YES I GOT OUT OF THE WRONG SIDE OF BED TODAY

Pray tell me Mr Madbadrob, can I interline from DSA/
save you the trouble...NO., but can get to some horrible Spanish resort for next to f*uck all. Big whoopie do!

Nuff said

[gary4444]

HUY have not sold their soul for tuppence'hapny to get a load of flights for the people on benefits.

Pray tell me Mr Madbadrob, can I interline from DSA/ save you the trouble...NO., but can get to some horrible Spanish resort for next to f*uck all. Big whoopie do!

I guess next summer Excel will be providing a top of the market service to all of the wealthy folks in Humberside?

No they will be providing cheap flights to the Spanish resorts......OOPS

[airhumberside]

Lets just stope this HUY vs DSA. No need for it

unlike DSA that has it's own secret society web-site, (have to register who you are, so the bogie man can get you if you spit anti-DSA verbage) they don't like washing their laundry in public you see.

Im sure your more than welcome to join it. I know both me and AndyHUY post on there

[madbadrob]

Finningley forum accepts anyone and we have a Humberside lad that I know of posting. He gets no flack at all and in fact we welcome his posts. We would welcome more people posting on the site with open arms. After all an enthusiasts site is not good with out enthusiasts. Also we do tend to get carried away with OUR airport that at times we do need someone without a vested interest in it to bring our feet down to earth.

I for one have no problem with HUY even if they were the biggest Say NO to DSA lol. I think HUY have a few years left yet and the flying club will bring in more people also.

If I had one criticism of the airfield actually it is two. The first there is no decent place to get a great view of arriving departing aircraft that I have found, second is the terminal leaves a lot to be desired from an enthusiasts point of view.

I have to say though that HUY will fail unless a loco operates there because people will always go for the cheaper option. I would also like to see KLM return to Doncaster. Yes they did once operate out of Doncaster long before DSA arrived

Rob

darn it. I meant to post the addy for the DSA forum

Here it is http://airport.proboards45.com/index.cgi

Rob

[AndyHUY]

KLM wont leave HUY of that i am 99.9% sure.

HUY will, im sure, get a lo-co of some kind soon. FR is more than hinted at.

DSA is in a different league to HUY so to compare the two is wrong. HUY should be likened to MME and DSA to NEMA.

All of this has been said before time and time again, there is no feuding between NCL and MME or MAN and LPL and others so why HUY and DSA?

[madbadrob]

AndyHUY said

KLM wont leave HUY of that i am 99.9% sure.

I didn't think they would myself I was just stating that I would like to see them back at Doncaster

I think the animosity between HUY and DSA is more of a local rivalry than anything else. Grimsby and Hull for that matter do take a lot of stick from us South Yorkshireites and I think it is an extension of that. I also believe it is because we are all passionate about that which is on our doorstep.

Rob

[AndyHUY]

That has been mentioned before and it is an understandable and harmless reason but just to make the point that there is no need for either parties to worry about his or her airport be it DSA or HUY as they are both doing very well and they are both growing.

Any one heard any more news or rumours from FR?

[panda-k-bear]

madbadrob - they are just 2 different animals. Unfortunately for you, airports don't exist to service spotters and "enthusiasts" - they exist to make money (and they aren't going to make much out of spotters, are they? Not even a cup of tea, I shouldn't think, as they'll all have their thermos with them). I travel on business. A lot. HUY is convenient, easy check in and throughput and allows me to get to SFO, LAX, NYC, IAD, KUL, TPE, HAM, MAD, CDG, TLS, GVA, MNL, SEA - in fact extremely easily anywhere on the KLM, Northwest and Malaysian networks. Hassle free, through check in, bags all the way to the destination. That is something that I value much more than whether I can get to Palma with easy or somewhere not very close to Frankfurt with Ryan. It is that that HUY offers me and it is that that business people will pay a premium for. Usually our time is expensive and precious and as the alternative way to get to these places involves at least a 4 hour trip to London, give me HUY every time.

There is a place for both of these airports and both will, I'm sure, survive. HUY DOES need a lo co but it doesn't need to spoil what it already has, which it would do by over expansion (who in the hell enjoys Luton or Stansted or even NEMA?)

[madbadrob]

Andy don't get me wrong I am not denouncing HUY but coming at it from a different perspective. Personally I will fly from Manchester for the long haul stuff until that is DSA start their Florida flights. I agree to some extent that spotters take their thermos with them however on my recent visit to HUY I did make the effort as I do at every airfield I viist to give something back if only by buying a cup of tea. For spotting I prefer NEMA and Manchester. Both have aeroparks which affords me the chance of getting underneath aircraft ( in particular at NEMA) and this is money going back to the airfield.

I agree with you that convienience is a benefit but when that benefit is outweighed by cost ( I don't know the comparrisons with HUY) as in the case of a recent flight I was going to take, I will take the cheapest option. For example last year I flew to NYC from Gatwick because it was £130 cheaper to do so than travel from Manchester so even with the train costs to and from Doncaster it was still a saving of £70. Will Humberside be able to compete in that market if DSA were to start long haul flights and not on the lo co circuit?

What is the public transport links to HUY like? I know at DSA they are pretty good and if Peel could get their way ( which I am sure they will in the near future) there will also be a rail link. I also see the potential of expansion at DSA but with HUY they seem to be stuck as to where they could go should they need to expand.

From a spotters point of view I would like to see both expand so that we get the chance to view more aircraft type in a local area as well as bringing in money to these two areas, from a flyers perspective I would like to see DSA and HUY offer a lot more flights than they do right now and not just for the leisure industry

Rob

[Andy_S]

be it DSA or HUY as they are both doing very well and they are both growing.

AndyHUY,

I'm not sure how you define "growing", but in the case of HUY I think you'd have a lot of trouble making your assertion stick.

According to the provisional CAA statistics for October, HUY handled 4.3% LESS passengers than it did in October 2004. If you look at the 'rolling year', then by the end of October 2005 HUY had handled a whopping 13.5% less passengers than it did in the same period in 2004. I know I risk getting flamed for writing this, but it's the simple unvarnished facts - no added spin.

This looks even worse when you consiser that many established regional airports (i.e. excluding the London airports and the 'tiddlers') achieved double digit growth in the rolling year to October 2005. In fact the only established regional to do anything like as badly as HUY was Cardiff, with 5.9% fewer passengers in the rolling year to October 2005 compared to the same period in 2004.

[panda-k-bear]

madbadrob,
I'm currently sitting in a hotel room in Asia writing this having flown out from that particular neck of the woods. I have a fully flex business class ticket as is required due to my job - and I am very far from the only one in that position. I'm looking at my ticket right now and it cost the high side of four and a half grand, so 70 quid is neither here nor there and certainly not worth the time I'd waste getting to LGW or LHR. To me, HUY saves me time, it saves me effort and it gives me access to a global network the likes of which I'd have to travel half way across the country to get access to if only DSA were there and not HUY (I'd end up in MAN or London somewhere). To me it is invaluable and also to my not inconsiderable quantity of colleagues - about 1500 of them - not to mention stacks of oil traffic (I'd love to see the O & D figures from HUY to the Middle East and to IAH). Try to get a seat on the HUY AMS flight more than 10 days out - it's hell! Most traffic is business and connecting so saving a couple of hundred quid and wasting an extra half a day just is not worth the hassle... It took me the best part of 20 hours to get here already, with a neat 1 hour 10 minute connection in AMS. To have to travel another 4 hours and suffer the queues at LHR? No thanks!

[airhumberside]

Finningley forum accepts anyone and we have a Humberside lad that I know of posting. He gets no flack at all and in fact we welcome his posts.

Would be me

I'm not sure how you define "growing", but in the case of HUY I think you'd have a lot of trouble making your assertion stick.

According to the provisional CAA statistics for October, HUY handled 4.3% LESS passengers than it did in October 2004. If you look at the 'rolling year', then by the end of October 2005 HUY had handled a whopping 13.5% less passengers than it did in the same period in 2004. I know I risk getting flamed for writing this, but it's the simple unvarnished facts - no added spin.

I think AndyHUY is thinking about 2006 and XL.com plus other new charters and possibly FR to DUB. 2005 has been a bad year for HUY, no doubt about it. But theres a positive future ahead, in the short term at least

[AndyHUY]

Andy-s, i agree it has seen a bad year and the decline in pax is depressing. I did mean next year so should have said 'will be growing'

Apparently we can expect to see at least 570,000 next year but there is a possibility of 620,000. This comes after XL had pulled some of their flights due to a problem with a contract with some airline over a lease.

With regards the convenience of the KLM, i have used this services on certain occasions as it has worked out cheaper and quicker than LGW, LHR and MAN.

By the way, have you seen the price of some of the KLM fares to AMS? I got a return fare Fri-Mon for £65....... cheaper than most lo-co's.

[7006 fan]

I hope no-one is hoping to build a road or building next year. Gather HUY has got a monopoly on the Contruction firms in the area for most of 2006.
Apron, taxiway, buildings and car parks.



Madbadrob/Gary4444,
Indeed Excel offer lower fares than scheduled but they are not offering the £10 e/w that the likes of Tompson/Ryan/EZ etc can offer, the methodolgy entailed is quite simple, if the charter seat ain't sold better a bum on it than fresh air helps to keep the load-factor towards 100%, therefore making the flight more efficient.

As to viewing areas I am 100% with Panda on this, Airports are for transporting people/freight etc, not balconies for people to watch planes from. terminal space costs a fortune and every inch needs to be utilised to make money. The threat of terrorism makes it more risky to have viewing areas and providing an area for people to gawk when it could be making £ notes is just barmy!

[airhumberside]

Gather a 738 is going into the new hangar next week, hopefully the first of many.

Did the B738 ever come?

[Jet2LBA]

At the risk of covering old ground, I still feel that a LCC at HUY is still a feasible possibility for the future. I see that some have mentioned FR of late, and whilst any LCC would obviously be welcomed, the 738 capacity could be a limiting factor. Considering FR's current network, this could perhaps at best offer a daily DUB and 2/3 weekly MJV and GIR services (latter perhaps seasonally affected).

FlyBe would seem to have to best capacity options with the Q400 and 146 (with EMB-190 to follow), but are they interested?

Jet2 have apparantly looked previously, but perhaps will look again. They seem committed to becoming the dominant LCC in the north of England. A based 733 could perhaps operate a daily AMS, together with say, 4 weekly AGP and ALC and 2 weekly PMI/MJV/FAO in the summer, with the PMI services switching to GVA in the winter and maybe one of the ALC flights changing to Chambery.

[AndyHUY]

FR could offer aimilar to BLK/BOH i think but if they do come, which i am assured they are, they would probably start with a DUB and test the water from there if the DUB proves viable.

As for other LCC's who knows? Apparently Jet2 have been to the airport recently and FLYbe have been in talks but i believe there are others although i am not aware of the names...

When do FR release their summer schedules?