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Suggest you read and inwardly digest the facts before making such crass ill-informed comments.
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Why not just overcome the Hertfordshire boundary problem and extend the current runway
Phase 2 expantion can only go south which means Terminal, runway and aprons inside Hertfordshire. This will be corrected when the County and town borders are updated and moved.
From me dated Oct 10th
Something radical is needed to get cars out of the central area not only for parking but also for picking up and dropping off passengers. One such radical idea would be to build a new terminal frontage in the mid term car park. Plenty of room here for a proper drop off area and short term parking. From here a rapid transit system would whisk passengers and meeters and greeters to the terminal proper in around 30 seconds
From the airports website
4) The new Terminal will be accessed via a new Reception Centre built on the site of the Airport's existing mid-term car park.
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So how far south will the new runway go? Will it be south or north of the new terminal? If they need to build a new control tower then a big land grab must be planned. Can't find any maps on the net so far
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Ok boys, haven't read it yet but go to http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/con...?area=6&id=969 and download Core Strategy then have a look at the map on page 65
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Green's are on the case!
"Outrageous proposition"
News that Luton airport is planning to extend its current facilities and build a replacement terminal has provoked anger from the Green Party.
"This is an outrageous proposition. At a time when we most need to curb our carbon emissions, the airline industry - the fastest growing contributor to climate change - seem determined to drive us to a point where the earth is no longer habitable," commented Marc Scheimann, local Green Party member and candidate for Luton South in the recent General Election.
"If passenger numbers do triple by 2030, as the reasoning behind this decision suggests, the effects on this area will be disastrous. Such expansion is inevitable if the current cheap flights bonanza continues.
"But these prices do not reflect the real cost of flying - the irreversible effect on our climate. Indeed, airline fuel - unlike car fuel - is not taxed. This amounts to massive public subsidisation of the aviation industry - to the tune of some £9.2 billion in the UK alone. This is in direct violation of the 'polluter pays' principle, something the Government claims to support.
News that Luton airport is planning to extend its current facilities and build a replacement terminal has provoked anger from the Green Party.
"This is an outrageous proposition. At a time when we most need to curb our carbon emissions, the airline industry - the fastest growing contributor to climate change - seem determined to drive us to a point where the earth is no longer habitable," commented Marc Scheimann, local Green Party member and candidate for Luton South in the recent General Election.
"If passenger numbers do triple by 2030, as the reasoning behind this decision suggests, the effects on this area will be disastrous. Such expansion is inevitable if the current cheap flights bonanza continues.
"But these prices do not reflect the real cost of flying - the irreversible effect on our climate. Indeed, airline fuel - unlike car fuel - is not taxed. This amounts to massive public subsidisation of the aviation industry - to the tune of some £9.2 billion in the UK alone. This is in direct violation of the 'polluter pays' principle, something the Government claims to support.
Project 2030
I've just spent about 75 minutes skimming the 'Core Strategy' document, available on the airport website.
It's certainly an exciting proposition, and apparently a great deal of work has been done by LLAOL and numerous consultants. This is far from a detailed planning document, but it IS the consultation document.
That means that there is now a 12 week window to comment on the proposals (ends on 27th January 06). I would urge every ppruner to e-mail or write to LLAOL supporting the proposal in principle. Page 14 of the Core Strategy document asks for responses to a number of specific questions.
The freepost address and e-mail address are as follows:
Post: Freepost RLXG-RKZH-JGGX,
Project 2030 Core Strategy
London Luton Airport Operations Ltd
Navigation House
Airport Way
Luton LU2 9NY
E-mail: [email protected]
A healthy pro-airport response would do much to support the actual planning application when it is eventually made. It will counter the NIMBY brigade, who will be coming to an airport near you soon.
Developments like this are all too rare in UK aviation, and it is in the whole industry's interests that they are whole-heartedly supported. I hope you'll do your bit
It's certainly an exciting proposition, and apparently a great deal of work has been done by LLAOL and numerous consultants. This is far from a detailed planning document, but it IS the consultation document.
That means that there is now a 12 week window to comment on the proposals (ends on 27th January 06). I would urge every ppruner to e-mail or write to LLAOL supporting the proposal in principle. Page 14 of the Core Strategy document asks for responses to a number of specific questions.
The freepost address and e-mail address are as follows:
Post: Freepost RLXG-RKZH-JGGX,
Project 2030 Core Strategy
London Luton Airport Operations Ltd
Navigation House
Airport Way
Luton LU2 9NY
E-mail: [email protected]
A healthy pro-airport response would do much to support the actual planning application when it is eventually made. It will counter the NIMBY brigade, who will be coming to an airport near you soon.
Developments like this are all too rare in UK aviation, and it is in the whole industry's interests that they are whole-heartedly supported. I hope you'll do your bit
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Just read through the airport document. There are 4 runway options with the airport pushing for a new runway 950m south of the existing one. Road passengers will disembark at a reception centre in what is now the mid term car park and then either head for the existing terminal or the new terminal via a tunnel under the runway using a tracked transit system. The transit system will also link up with the airport's railway station.
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Just emailed the following to LADACAN:
Tonight I watched a story on TV about LADACAN spokesman Roger Wood. Roger informs us that 18 years ago he bought a house at the end of Luton's runway at Breachwood Green but doesn't like aircraft noise. Surely shouldn't Roger have chosen a different location to live seeing that the airport was there first?
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I wonder if I will get a reply?
LADACAN press release at http://www.ladacan.org/Press%20Release%2018.pdf
Tonight I watched a story on TV about LADACAN spokesman Roger Wood. Roger informs us that 18 years ago he bought a house at the end of Luton's runway at Breachwood Green but doesn't like aircraft noise. Surely shouldn't Roger have chosen a different location to live seeing that the airport was there first?
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I wonder if I will get a reply?
LADACAN press release at http://www.ladacan.org/Press%20Release%2018.pdf
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Just as amatter of interest, did anyone see the picture in the weekend papers of the new Terminal 3 at Bejing, to be ready for the Olympics on 2008? Now that is an airport Terminal! Over one hundred gates and parking for over 200 aircraft, and that's just one terminal.
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And a rather high speed train/rapid transport (I don't think is uses tracks) that my friend has been designing.
Ref 2030, loads of media attention locally especially after Whitbread announced 250 job losses in the town, but no one asked the questions, 'Where is the money coming from', nor the implications relating to the concession?
Ref 2030, loads of media attention locally especially after Whitbread announced 250 job losses in the town, but no one asked the questions, 'Where is the money coming from', nor the implications relating to the concession?
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I don’t think the airport has ever completed any building work on time. Even small projects seem to end up being finished late. 2007 for completion of phase 1 and 2012 for phase 2 will never happen. Stansted who are a good year ahead of Luton in planning for a second runway have already seen the opening date put back to 2015.
Planning issues and objectors will cause no doubt most of the delays. The planned new route into the airport is a good example of how a project can hit one delay after another. This route was meant to have been finished by now yet still does not have a start date. As for Thameslink 2000…..
The anti-Luton brigade have picked up on the fact that despite the airport claiming that the old runway will be used mainly as a back up runway as at Gatwick it will in fact be used at the same time as the new runway. I think the protestors have a point as I can’t see the airport letting 2160m of concrete go to waste.
Planning issues and objectors will cause no doubt most of the delays. The planned new route into the airport is a good example of how a project can hit one delay after another. This route was meant to have been finished by now yet still does not have a start date. As for Thameslink 2000…..
The anti-Luton brigade have picked up on the fact that despite the airport claiming that the old runway will be used mainly as a back up runway as at Gatwick it will in fact be used at the same time as the new runway. I think the protestors have a point as I can’t see the airport letting 2160m of concrete go to waste.
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Helvetic have announced they are reducing their fleet to just 4 aircraft from early Jan. Madrid, Prague & Rome are all being withdrawn by 6 Jan.
LTN, which has recently seen an increase to 12 weekly flights to/from Zurich will remain the same for the winter period, reducing to 11 weekly from Mar 06, the saturday evening flight being withdrawn.
LTN, which has recently seen an increase to 12 weekly flights to/from Zurich will remain the same for the winter period, reducing to 11 weekly from Mar 06, the saturday evening flight being withdrawn.
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...it will in fact be used at the same time as the new runway.
Take-offs from the existing runway 26 (R) will still have to turn left to avoid Luton and would immediately conflict with take-offs or overshoots from the new runway (26L).
As for the idiot that bought a house at Breachwood Green, well presumably he was brain-dead when he bought it!!
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How about, for small aircraft the missed approach for 26R be re designed to fly straight ahead for a while. Lower noise footprint than a B737.
Or as one touches down on 26L an immediate departure can be authorised on 26R? I am sure the options are there to be used, mind you, you might have to be a mathmatician to work it all out?
Is that a storm brewing, or a sharp intake of breath by the CAA?
£1.5 Billion is an awful lot of money for Luton, but then again, you have to speculate to accumulate!
Good news re Helvetic.
Or as one touches down on 26L an immediate departure can be authorised on 26R? I am sure the options are there to be used, mind you, you might have to be a mathmatician to work it all out?
Is that a storm brewing, or a sharp intake of breath by the CAA?
£1.5 Billion is an awful lot of money for Luton, but then again, you have to speculate to accumulate!
Good news re Helvetic.