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Old 4th Oct 2005, 14:42
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Snoop Luton

Just received my online edition of the LLA newsletter. While it mentions new services from Wizz and Ryanair already mentioned here sometime ago there is still no mention of the BMI service to Brussels. There is also no mention of it in the news section of the airport’s website or in the websites airline section. I take it that the service is still set to run?

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You can book flights on BMI's website; I actually booked a long weekend trip for April last week.

Whilst it is not actually mentioned in their normal press releases yet, it does feature in their trade section, so yes, it does appear to be operating as originally stated, from Mar 27th, three times daily.
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Question Luton Landing Fees

Anybody have any ideas on landing, handling and parking fees for a 737 or A320?

Also what are fuel costs like at Luton for these aircraft?

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Grrr

Airports have published fees, but these charges are subject to negotiation depending upon a whole raft of factors inc subsidies from the airport and regional grants.

The only way to find out, is to make direct contact with your business plan to both the airport operator and the based agents.

Mind you, the more pax you carry, the cheaper the rate.
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I hear that 5 companies want to run the new Thameslink rail franchise, which is due to begin in April. They are National Express, FirstGroup and Stagecoach and two consortia, one between John Laing and MTR of Hong Kong and the other involving Danish Railways and EWS. Thameslink run the airports railway station and operate the majority of rail services to the capital from the airport.

The company recently cut back off peak services from the airport to London from 8 to 6 trains per hour
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LTN - BRU

With Eurostar services ehading for St Pancras within a couple of years I am genuinely surprised by this move from bmi. With minimal connections from LTN they must be focusing on outbound traffic for passengers, but by far the quickest and easiest way to get to Brussels these days is the train.
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BMI’s choice of routes is very strange. Luton Airport Parkway is only a 27 minute train journey to the Eurostar terminal which opens in 2007.

No one is going to travel out of London and pass by Eurostar to use the BMI service and with the Eurostar terminal less than 30 minutes from Luton who wants to catch a 3 x daily service when trains will run at least every hour.

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Mr Stelios is hopping mad at the thought of National Express running both the coach and rail links to/from London and will give his evidence soon to the SRA stating that NE will dictate public transport fares from Luton to London and battering easyBus with undercutting tactics to force him off?

I understand that Luton were well thought of at the annual route show in Copenhagen recently?
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That's right Buster. Stelios was giving evidence at the Competition Enquiry yesterday and is fuming. Following on from the success of easyBus from LTN, he wants to start a service from LGW to London and as LGW also falls within the Thameslink franchise, the sight of Nat Exp on both road & rail would be a double blow.
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Following on from the success of easyBus from LTN
It doesn’t take many people to travel on an easybus minibus to make it look full except most of the busses I have seen look somewhat empty particularly on the leg out of London.
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ground radar

So does Luton ground radar actually work? While in fog today tower was asking whether company aircraft had past behind. Seem to get a lot of this type of talk at LTN. Surly with ground radar the tower should see what is going on or are there dead spots around the airport?
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The Surface Movement Radar at Luton has been there for a long time, pre all the development that has taken place over the last 10 years or more. The location of any single source surface radar tends to be a bit of a compromise given all the buildings on an airport, and as you put up more buildings the blank areas around the taxiways tend to increase. We still have absolute coverage of the runway.

And there is a super new whizzo one coming soon. This will have more than one source so should avoid blank areas.
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Vintage-are you going down the FR route?
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Wasn’t it the case that the Cat 3 ILS was sold as buy 2 and get a free Surface Movement Radar?

Also with all the development work that has taken place is the tower still in the best location and is it still tall enough to see over all of the new buildings?
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I understand that easyJet were going to re-fly their initial flight to Scotland on Nov 10th as a way of celebrating their historic 10th birthday founded by a mad Greek who created the low fares culture.

It is rumoured that 'management' are not going to do this and therefore lose all the FREE advertising that goes with this!
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Wasn’t it the case that the Cat 3 ILS was sold as buy 2 and get a free Surface Movement Radar?
No, we had the SMR long before we were Cat 2/3. I think we got a free NDB with something but can't remember what now.

Also with all the development work that has taken place is the tower still in the best location and is it still tall enough to see over all of the new buildings?
Yes, it's fine.


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What does S06 hold in store?

Comparing S06 with S05, we can expect the following:

A third Britannia aircraft based (with a fourth at certain times during the week). This year it's been a 757 and a 767. What's in store next year?

More Wizz flights. The Poznan will be 5 weekly by then, and rumours appeared on the previous thread that Wizz intended introducing further destinations.

The BMi jungle jet operating 3 daily to BRU.

No Swefly flights.

The second Helvetic daily to Zurich.

But what of EZY and FR? For winter FR are operating one fewer daily flight than summer, but what of next year? And EZY have added a few destinations (like Bremen), but seem to be redeploying existing based aircraft rather than adding new ones.

Probably more Monarch flights, particularly to TFS and AGP, but any others? Again, according to rumours appearing on the old thread a couple of new destinations are in prospect.

Finally, what about these 'new' operators? Air Berlin? Ciao Fly??

Informed speculation and hard news welcome!
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Anyone know how successful the rail link bendy bus trial was that run for a week in the summer. It made a big difference to passenger comfort, as there were plenty of seats for everyone. Any chance of the airport buying a couple of these mega busses?
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A third Britannia aircraft based (with a fourth at certain times during the week). This year it's been a 757 and a 767. What's in store next year?
Thought this year it was 2 x 757's and a 767 for half of the week.

I wonder if slots at Gatwick are getting tight for IT flights with airlines like easyjet offering a year round service as opposed to Britannia who want to operate more services in the summer than the winter. Maybe this is the reason for the extra aircraft next summer.

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Grrr

Ciao Fly...........................I doubt it (He He!)

Air Berlin. According to an old timer from Luton now residing in Spain...........................Yes, as stated in the Spanish media!

No chance of any easyJet expansion (Not unless they re-jig thier current plans) until Luton has easyOrange A319's based in 2007.
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