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Very Senior people in EI have publicly stated that the Runway at ORK is not an issue in relation to JFK or BOS. The bilateral is a far bigger obstacle and now of course we hear that EI has promised Minister Cullen that it will continue to deliver 400,000 pax per year from on the SNN US routes.
That promise will not be worth the paper its written on once the company is privatised but in the meantime they may be reluctant to dilute SNN's traffic by starting a CORK US service especially as there's a general election on the horizon.
Having said that many Cork people fly to the US via LHR and on CO, AA and DL from SNN so there maybe an opportunity there.
Does anyone now if an A330 can park in the one stand that does have an airbridge at Cork. Anyone know of any other airport that only has one airbridge?
That promise will not be worth the paper its written on once the company is privatised but in the meantime they may be reluctant to dilute SNN's traffic by starting a CORK US service especially as there's a general election on the horizon.
Having said that many Cork people fly to the US via LHR and on CO, AA and DL from SNN so there maybe an opportunity there.
Does anyone now if an A330 can park in the one stand that does have an airbridge at Cork. Anyone know of any other airport that only has one airbridge?
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I would have to say location location location, let say ppl travel up and down to snn from cork and the surrounding region and given the awkward times of arrival at snn. People would be willing to spend an extra $50, as they already spend that in petrol and the hassels etc etc. I cant wait for the stop over to end and to see what happens. I would spend an extra $60 to fly to cork alone just to see it happen.
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I dunno if this is even possible, but could EI perhaps use narrowbodies over the Atlantic, they would probably need ETOPS certification, and perhaps auxilary tanks?
If using an A320 they get 174 seats(prob less cause they would pob need a premier class service, or in the region of 210/220 on the A321s? Surely the systems for auxilary tanks is very similar to the 'snap-in' type on the a319LR? It would just provide a graduated increase in capacity as t/a service is introduced, in fairness the yanks, if they ever come, will prob use 757s any way!
If using an A320 they get 174 seats(prob less cause they would pob need a premier class service, or in the region of 210/220 on the A321s? Surely the systems for auxilary tanks is very similar to the 'snap-in' type on the a319LR? It would just provide a graduated increase in capacity as t/a service is introduced, in fairness the yanks, if they ever come, will prob use 757s any way!
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Use of the A320 for the Atlantic has been crossing my mind too of late. What about a Cork to JFK via St Johns, Newfoundland (YYT) for fuel and seek a 5th freedom from the Canadians to operate flights St Johns - JFK if the Ireland Canada bilateral disallows direct pax flights from Cork to St Johns.
I think Continental Express fly St Johns to EWR with ERJ 145LR? An A320 to New York would be a boost to the economy in Newfoundland, an economy that has always struggled due to fishing decline and a lot of the local folk needing to live off social security etc.
An Irish A320 in EI colours might help to do wonders for the local tourist industy in Newfoundland in helping to draw the Americans for fishing and hunting etc? Great circle route from ORK - YYT is 1973 miles so an A320 can easily get that far in range with the necessary ETOPS certification.
I think Continental Express fly St Johns to EWR with ERJ 145LR? An A320 to New York would be a boost to the economy in Newfoundland, an economy that has always struggled due to fishing decline and a lot of the local folk needing to live off social security etc.
An Irish A320 in EI colours might help to do wonders for the local tourist industy in Newfoundland in helping to draw the Americans for fishing and hunting etc? Great circle route from ORK - YYT is 1973 miles so an A320 can easily get that far in range with the necessary ETOPS certification.
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Why would someone do 320 to JFK via YYT (slow, narrowbody, stop-fuel-go in YYT) when an immigration precleared A330 is 90 mins up the road?
I used to think a 319 SNN-YYT-SNN might work as a AA-style stopover buster but if the bilateral is re-neged now it will be along the lines of the US one which means SNN won't have to be placated.
I used to think a 319 SNN-YYT-SNN might work as a AA-style stopover buster but if the bilateral is re-neged now it will be along the lines of the US one which means SNN won't have to be placated.
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The first thing that the CAA need to do is to commence serious negotiations with Aerlingus or a US carrier.
Wishing we had transatlantic or aspiring to a service won't make it happen.
I've no doubt that it can be viable but EI or CO will look for substantial marketing support.
Cork is very reluctant to part with finance probably because the board is really only existing in shadow form and the DAA is not prepared to sanction any further debt on top of the massive 163 million expenditure on the new terminal and other landside work.
So unlike Shannon who believe in throwing money at airlines, Cork look for a short term financial return for thier investment and that is not always forthcoming.
Wishing we had transatlantic or aspiring to a service won't make it happen.
I've no doubt that it can be viable but EI or CO will look for substantial marketing support.
Cork is very reluctant to part with finance probably because the board is really only existing in shadow form and the DAA is not prepared to sanction any further debt on top of the massive 163 million expenditure on the new terminal and other landside work.
So unlike Shannon who believe in throwing money at airlines, Cork look for a short term financial return for thier investment and that is not always forthcoming.
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Why an A320 from Cork when there is pre-cleared US immigration at an airport in the midwest, asks MarkD.
Firstly, it is not 90 minutes but at least double that at 360 minutes if not 400 minutes if you add in the car journey time from the Cork area, the check in time, and the American immigration screening process as well.
Similarly, on the return journey Cork people have to plead, beg and generally lower themselves in asking friends and relations to rise in the middle of the night to again drive up to the midwest to meet, greet and collect their passenger friends once more, have a breakfast roll and then head back down again to Cork. Easily, another 4 to 5 hour detail.
Cork passengers should say No to the airport in the midwest and No to their dirty politics.
Firstly, it is not 90 minutes but at least double that at 360 minutes if not 400 minutes if you add in the car journey time from the Cork area, the check in time, and the American immigration screening process as well.
Similarly, on the return journey Cork people have to plead, beg and generally lower themselves in asking friends and relations to rise in the middle of the night to again drive up to the midwest to meet, greet and collect their passenger friends once more, have a breakfast roll and then head back down again to Cork. Easily, another 4 to 5 hour detail.
Cork passengers should say No to the airport in the midwest and No to their dirty politics.
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stop grasping at straws. Check in and immigration have to be done somewhere. If NYC-ORK is to beat SNN it must be nonstop. ORK to somewhere SNN does not serve might work in a one-stop.
The point about needing transport is of course well taken - however if you don't live in Cork city (say Mallow, Charleville, Mitchelstown) you will probably end up with the same problem for either airport.
stop grasping at straws. Check in and immigration have to be done somewhere. If NYC-ORK is to beat SNN it must be nonstop. ORK to somewhere SNN does not serve might work in a one-stop.
The point about needing transport is of course well taken - however if you don't live in Cork city (say Mallow, Charleville, Mitchelstown) you will probably end up with the same problem for either airport.
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Tom and a few others, there is no point in continuously complaining about Shannon. Negative camapigning will get EICK nowhere. Best to keep fighting for EICK and let the others get on with their business. Best of luck to EICK with getting a
transatlantic service and hopefully EINN wil prosper with its
service too.
transatlantic service and hopefully EINN wil prosper with its
service too.
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Let all the airports compete on a level playing pitch but that's clearly not happening at the moment.
Already SNN expect to be given favourable treatment in the new open skies era. Why should Aerlingus have to promise that they will continue to operate from there in the future ?
Minister Cullen is expected to lead a delegation to the US in 2006 campaigning on SNN's behalf, will there be any mention of ORK or NOC, I doubt it somehow.
Already SNN expect to be given favourable treatment in the new open skies era. Why should Aerlingus have to promise that they will continue to operate from there in the future ?
Minister Cullen is expected to lead a delegation to the US in 2006 campaigning on SNN's behalf, will there be any mention of ORK or NOC, I doubt it somehow.
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Cork to NYC stopping at Newfoundland??? Looks like the xmas booze was good this year. It's no longer 1955, EI don't fly the Connie anymore and the new buzz word is profitability.
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Shanwickman wants to "Let the others get on with their business." Yes, the attitude we know so well from the airport in the midwest. Browbeating yet another Minister for Transport, Cullen to promise the world to snn and now sticking it to Mannion of Aer Lingus too. "Let others get on with their business." Ah, yes, it all adds up now.
Decades of weakness at Cork has not helped. Cork Airport should be beating down the door of the DAA for more ramp, more runway and a CATIII navaid to stop the heamorrage of business and diverted passengers from Cork every year and I am sick to my eye teeth of hearing of every conceivable excuse being trotted out to keep Cork down.
Let Cork Airport play a cunning, dirty politics game of it's own. Minister for Enterpirse, Martin should be driven crazy by Cork for aid for the above technical improvments.
The question is though does Cork Airport and her board have the guts for such a game or is just more weakness for the sake of the midwest status quo?
Decades of weakness at Cork has not helped. Cork Airport should be beating down the door of the DAA for more ramp, more runway and a CATIII navaid to stop the heamorrage of business and diverted passengers from Cork every year and I am sick to my eye teeth of hearing of every conceivable excuse being trotted out to keep Cork down.
Let Cork Airport play a cunning, dirty politics game of it's own. Minister for Enterpirse, Martin should be driven crazy by Cork for aid for the above technical improvments.
The question is though does Cork Airport and her board have the guts for such a game or is just more weakness for the sake of the midwest status quo?
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hmmmm, just got up at 3.30 this morning to due the lovely shannon turn, managed to get back to cork at 8 am, mind you EI132 was in early so friends were waiting outside. I was also travelling fast 70 mph on the good stretches and not stopping. So this add 4.5 in total drive time to the 5 hour hop across the pond. I think snn should stop whining about the loss of pax and the like, let there be a level playing field allow ork to do their own services.
I was also looking at the new bypass through ballincollig gave me some ideas for runway 35/17 they could easily do an extension by suspending some of the runway in the air. And yes Cat II and CAT III are definitely needed, when are CAA "breaking away" from DAA completely??
I was also looking at the new bypass through ballincollig gave me some ideas for runway 35/17 they could easily do an extension by suspending some of the runway in the air. And yes Cat II and CAT III are definitely needed, when are CAA "breaking away" from DAA completely??
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Its only a matter of time before a scheduled transatlantic service will be launched out of Cork. It would be nice to see Aer Lingus do it with a wet leased 757 similar to what they did out of Shannon a few years ago but if they don't , I'm sure some airline like Continental will. Until then, I'm quite happy to connect through Dublin with Ryanair for 1 cent each way!!!
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it would be great to see but it wont be done by A320s. ORK direct JFK i reckon needs 25t of juice....way above max fuel quantity and tech stops forget. Guess you'll have to wait 3/4 years when Aer Lingus take delivery of the first of the 787s.....perfect machine for the job>
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I thought EI were to purchase A350s? Or has that gone down the swanny??? I have a feeling that EI would configure the 787s in 9 abrest, the 8 abrest of the A350,would be much less 'cosy' I imagne.
The key to the deal will be the bridging options as EI will need planes from Nov @ the latest(earlier if they go Boeing) Boeing have plenty of 757 and 767s lying out the back, so that should not be a prob, but as for A330s? I dunno, dont think there is much around?
If EI do go Boeing, Ill bet they take some 757s for Cork and SNN,untill 2010ish as lets face it, who can fill an A350 from SNN to LAX?
The key to the deal will be the bridging options as EI will need planes from Nov @ the latest(earlier if they go Boeing) Boeing have plenty of 757 and 767s lying out the back, so that should not be a prob, but as for A330s? I dunno, dont think there is much around?
If EI do go Boeing, Ill bet they take some 757s for Cork and SNN,untill 2010ish as lets face it, who can fill an A350 from SNN to LAX?
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the rumour has it that announcement to be made in Feb....Boeing to supply A340s as a stop gap...new rtes to SFO, Dallas, MIA...787s then for 2009/10. Its all speculative rumour but thats the latest from the rumour in house mill.
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aer lingus are looking in to leasing 2/3 a340 from air canada, but according media sources the decision was to be made by christmas. The only problem with changing to boeing is the re-training of all crew and the trde unions will be looking for some rewards for that .... also why have a different long haul fleet when clearly their short haul is and will always be airbus.