Flybe Purchase EMB195 (merged)
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Bit odd that Flybe mentioned Guernsey yesterday in press release but today they are quoted in the Guernsey Press as stating won't be able to use them here because of runway length but the fact it is slippy in the wet!
Looks like we are to be banished to the Q400 then!
Looks like we are to be banished to the Q400 then!
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To be honest it doesn't bother me too much as I tend to pick which ever is cheaper Aurigny or Flybe for the particular route/dates I am flying. I know that some people are fussy and prefer the jet, when it is a short hop to LGW I couldn't give a monkey's!
I guess if Flybe go over to just the Q400 when the 146's are phased out here then they may lose a unique selling point on the LGW route.
I guess if Flybe go over to just the Q400 when the 146's are phased out here then they may lose a unique selling point on the LGW route.
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EMB 170/195
Has anyone here actually flown on a E170 yet? I visited the States not long ago and actually flew on a United Express E170 (Chataqua) out of Chicago and it was a great experience. Great takeoff speed and very rapid ascent.
I visited the flight deck on the way out and took a long look. I was very impressed - wide, and of course, super automated. I asked the FO how he liked the aircraft. He was a furloughed United FO who previously flew the A319/A320. His response was interesting - he said that if he was paid "mainline United wages" he would elect to fly the E170 into retirement - he liked it a lot more than the Airbus. It performs well and the front office is very spacious (and nice Primus Epic system).
My guess is that flying an Airbus or a 737NG after flying the E195 will be disappointing. I was extremely impressed and I would suggest you hitch a ride on an E170 (I think LOT is flying them - if you are flying to Poland...) if you can for a preview.
I visited the flight deck on the way out and took a long look. I was very impressed - wide, and of course, super automated. I asked the FO how he liked the aircraft. He was a furloughed United FO who previously flew the A319/A320. His response was interesting - he said that if he was paid "mainline United wages" he would elect to fly the E170 into retirement - he liked it a lot more than the Airbus. It performs well and the front office is very spacious (and nice Primus Epic system).
My guess is that flying an Airbus or a 737NG after flying the E195 will be disappointing. I was extremely impressed and I would suggest you hitch a ride on an E170 (I think LOT is flying them - if you are flying to Poland...) if you can for a preview.
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Simce you obviously have trouble reading, let me quote you what I posted back on page 2 or 3 of this thread:
So... if any new jet happened... not that it wouldn't...it would probably be an Embraer... hmm seems I was right... they'll take it because it is all they can afford, and then talk it up just like they did with the Q400... which is what will now happen.
No, I'm pretty happy with what I said. Notac?
Simce you obviously have trouble reading, let me quote you what I posted back on page 2 or 3 of this thread:
I said that if any new jet happened, it would probably be an Embraer because the deal would not involve the same level of financial commitment. If an announcement is made regarding the Embraer, it really just reinforces my point that we can't find the dosh to make the promises that Boeing or Airbus require. And please don't try and tell me flybe prefer the Embraer - they'll take it because it is all they can afford, and then talk it up just like they did with the Q400...
No, I'm pretty happy with what I said. Notac?
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Buying airplanes is like playing poker, you dont want the manufacturer to know that you are too interested until you have sucked every last concession out of them. FF may have just cost her company a lot of money 
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Bay 17-20 and BPM,
Soz, I heard that AV was no more, but if it has re-joined the fleet once before I guess it could happen again! The haunted one, or so thay say... oooh!
Tri
Soz, I heard that AV was no more, but if it has re-joined the fleet once before I guess it could happen again! The haunted one, or so thay say... oooh!
Tri
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Well BPM as you asked here is the negative aspect;
There is not going to be a 150 seater aircraft therefore we have been strung another bull**** line by the company, so those not leaving in the hope of a useful type rating are now very pissed off.
Instead we are to receive yet another new aircraft type that no one in the UK has any experience on, and we all know what happened in the same situation with the Dash!
Several more years of chaos and tech aircraft to look forward to. Now what about that roster stability!!
That aside it should be a fun aircraft to fly just not the one I wanted to operate.
There is not going to be a 150 seater aircraft therefore we have been strung another bull**** line by the company, so those not leaving in the hope of a useful type rating are now very pissed off.
Instead we are to receive yet another new aircraft type that no one in the UK has any experience on, and we all know what happened in the same situation with the Dash!
Several more years of chaos and tech aircraft to look forward to. Now what about that roster stability!!
That aside it should be a fun aircraft to fly just not the one I wanted to operate.
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Not bad! as long as there more comfortable than ERJ 135/145s!
Anyone seen any artist impressions or fake pics of what these Embrears will look like???
As a reply to DAZA, "where will the new destinations be?"
I cant name 30 of them but Flybe have been asking people on the Leeds Bradford Airport website where in France would they like to go. With a list of choices including places like Paris, Toulouse, Chambrey, (the one down south beginning with M which i cant spell lol)
and a few others. so a couple of new destinations from LBA.
I would also assume that they would go to the popular destinations that other LCCs go to.
How far can a EMB 195 go?? whats the furthest destination possible from say London??
Anyone seen any artist impressions or fake pics of what these Embrears will look like???
As a reply to DAZA, "where will the new destinations be?"
I cant name 30 of them but Flybe have been asking people on the Leeds Bradford Airport website where in France would they like to go. With a list of choices including places like Paris, Toulouse, Chambrey, (the one down south beginning with M which i cant spell lol)
and a few others. so a couple of new destinations from LBA.
I would also assume that they would go to the popular destinations that other LCCs go to.
How far can a EMB 195 go?? whats the furthest destination possible from say London??
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Probably most places around the Lavant.
See nobody believed me when I posted a while back on a previous topic, ref routes from SOU.
Although it will probably need a tech stop from SOU to do that one though.
See nobody believed me when I posted a while back on a previous topic, ref routes from SOU.
Although it will probably need a tech stop from SOU to do that one though.
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Has anyone here actually flown on a E170 yet?
The 195 is probably the best looking jet I've seen and for an ex L1011 fe thats not easy to say.
It is future designed and the primus epic system is the dogs danglies.
There are one or two small software issues but by the time you flybe chaps get hold of the 195 it will be rather more mature. Dual HGS anyone?
Start reading up on the whole RNP concept for navigation as the aircraft is just waiting for everyone else to catch up.
no you can't get a copy of the manuals from me.
no I can't give you anymore perf info.
Yes I look forward to meeting a few of you over the next couple of years.
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Hoppy,
What about the Air Conditioning System on this Aircraft?
Is it Engine Bleed Free and run from an independant Compressor or does it still originate from the Engine Bleeds?
Could be an important move if the former, as the the 146 that it is replacing is none to cleaver to say the least.
What about the Air Conditioning System on this Aircraft?
Is it Engine Bleed Free and run from an independant Compressor or does it still originate from the Engine Bleeds?
Could be an important move if the former, as the the 146 that it is replacing is none to cleaver to say the least.
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What is it that doesn't work on the damn thing ?
It's built to a price... so stuff breaks. A lot.
notac has a good point. All those who hung around on the oft-stated promise that we would be getting a 150-seat jet will be fairly annoyed. It makes a mockery of the stated reason to bring the 737s on board too, on the basis that we were "evaluating" them. Were we bollocks. Nice piece of misdirection.
What this really means is that flybe will always be a niche player, with niche aircraft. Definitely a bad career move.
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went to the emb factory a few years ago and flew the flight test sim they had then. it was pretty nice but I didn't like the inverted v control column. avionics were always going to be a step ahead. ( the scrapped dornier jet projects were the best i've ever seen avionics wise. at the time they said they were expecting difficulties certifying some of the stuff as it was so furturistic.)
performance in reality will be alot less than the brochure figures if you factor in real winds, fuel loads and operating conditions but it will be a very very nice aircraft.
as for the 320 or the 73ng a let down after flying it?? probably nicer than the 73 (which is a tractor) but the airbus still gets my vote out of the three.
strangely enough the control loading was similar to the 146 - so nice and solid. should be nice to hand fly and certainly quieter. the fly b chaps will love it. hope you all have a great time on it.
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performance in reality will be alot less than the brochure figures if you factor in real winds, fuel loads and operating conditions but it will be a very very nice aircraft.
as for the 320 or the 73ng a let down after flying it?? probably nicer than the 73 (which is a tractor) but the airbus still gets my vote out of the three.
strangely enough the control loading was similar to the 146 - so nice and solid. should be nice to hand fly and certainly quieter. the fly b chaps will love it. hope you all have a great time on it.
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Airliner World had a flight test review back in May 2005 if anybody was interested. Pretty complimentary article, but only if you believe the mag is totally impartial in these matters.
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How's that a bad career move if they have already proven that they're business model works?
Why don't you guys stop moaning and think positively about the chance to fly the new aircraft, if you love flying enough surely the type doesn't matter that much.
There may be teething problems or there might not but right now it's too early to tell so stop bringing down the already low morale we have in the company and let's try to boost it.
Please tell me (and no doubt you will) if I am missing something here.
Why don't you guys stop moaning and think positively about the chance to fly the new aircraft, if you love flying enough surely the type doesn't matter that much.
There may be teething problems or there might not but right now it's too early to tell so stop bringing down the already low morale we have in the company and let's try to boost it.
Please tell me (and no doubt you will) if I am missing something here.