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I can assure you that with over 90 Pilots having recently left and/or handed in their notice, there aint no more laughing going on.
Emb 195's is just goin to make matters worse.
BA are actively recruiting with sensible prerequisits at last and the flood gates are only just opening. All the bright keen young Tyros will be off like a shot and who can blame them.
The first has already handed in his notice to start with BA and doesn't seem to give 2 hoots about taking his Q400/146 bond with him. This is merely a formality to him, as he will be on considerably more than his current salary, at BA anyway, so any Flybe Bond is pretty irrelevant.
Emb 195's is just goin to make matters worse.
BA are actively recruiting with sensible prerequisits at last and the flood gates are only just opening. All the bright keen young Tyros will be off like a shot and who can blame them.
The first has already handed in his notice to start with BA and doesn't seem to give 2 hoots about taking his Q400/146 bond with him. This is merely a formality to him, as he will be on considerably more than his current salary, at BA anyway, so any Flybe Bond is pretty irrelevant.
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Just saw a report (Interactive Investor, via Airliners.net news) that negotiations are under way for the Walker Group stake to be sold to 3i.
Apparently, the plan is to sell this stake (which apparently values the co. at £120m) ahead of a stock market floatation sometime next year.
No confirmation yet on the 195s?
Apparently, the plan is to sell this stake (which apparently values the co. at £120m) ahead of a stock market floatation sometime next year.
No confirmation yet on the 195s?
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OPS DIRECTOR LISTEN UP.
YOU HAVE JUST TRAINED UP A 146 F/O. HE COMPLETED HIS FINAL LINE CHECK LAST WEEK AND RESIGNED THIS WEEK.
HE WILL PAY YOUR £13,000 BOND BACK BUT DO YOU THINK HE IS BOTHERED??
WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW? TRAIN ANOTHER F/O??
SORT IT OUT.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.
DON'T DESTROY THE COMPANY I HAVE HELPED TO BUILD.
IF YOU DON'T CARE ANYMORE. BLOODY WELL LEAVE. I AM SICK OF WATCHING YOU WALTZ AROUND WITHOUT A CARE IN THE WORLD.
YOU MIGHT BE NEARING THE END OF YOUR LIFE BUT I'M NOT AND I CARE FOR FLYBE UNLIKE YOU.
YOU HAVE JUST TRAINED UP A 146 F/O. HE COMPLETED HIS FINAL LINE CHECK LAST WEEK AND RESIGNED THIS WEEK.
HE WILL PAY YOUR £13,000 BOND BACK BUT DO YOU THINK HE IS BOTHERED??
WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW? TRAIN ANOTHER F/O??
SORT IT OUT.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.
DON'T DESTROY THE COMPANY I HAVE HELPED TO BUILD.
IF YOU DON'T CARE ANYMORE. BLOODY WELL LEAVE. I AM SICK OF WATCHING YOU WALTZ AROUND WITHOUT A CARE IN THE WORLD.
YOU MIGHT BE NEARING THE END OF YOUR LIFE BUT I'M NOT AND I CARE FOR FLYBE UNLIKE YOU.
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same here
it would be a wise move. Not only because they will be able to take advantage of huge discounts - embraer need to shift more of the ERJ19X.
But it also fits with Flybe's alleged unique model of 'regional' low cost flights rather than the longer mid-range Europe-wide low cost routes.
it would be a wise move. Not only because they will be able to take advantage of huge discounts - embraer need to shift more of the ERJ19X.
But it also fits with Flybe's alleged unique model of 'regional' low cost flights rather than the longer mid-range Europe-wide low cost routes.
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Looks like it's going to be the Embraer 195. Four abreast (and hopefully BE will stick to that!) and by all accounts, a pleasant flying experience ...
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Flybe agrees 550 million pound Embraer plane deal -source
06/06/2005 00:47
LONDON (Reuters) - Regional airline Flybe has agreed to buy up to $1 billion (550 million pounds) in new planes from Brazil’s Embraer as part of a fleet replacement programme, a source said on Sunday.
Flybe and Embraer were scheduled to announce details of the order, which will have a value of up to around $1 billion, including options, early Monday, the industry source said.
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Flybe agrees 550 million pound Embraer plane deal -source
06/06/2005 00:47
LONDON (Reuters) - Regional airline Flybe has agreed to buy up to $1 billion (550 million pounds) in new planes from Brazil’s Embraer as part of a fleet replacement programme, a source said on Sunday.
Flybe and Embraer were scheduled to announce details of the order, which will have a value of up to around $1 billion, including options, early Monday, the industry source said.
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BBC Radio 4 'Today' confirm at 07.20 this morning - Jim French arguing that the Embraer has the right number of seats (115) vs Boeing/Airbus (150) for the routes the airline operates and has 20% lower fuel burn/seat mile than current aircraft. Didn't say where the £££ coming from tho.....
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Agree - IF Flybe is to survive it will have to be different from Easy/Ryan - Reuters news story with more details here
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Interesting...Reuters says flybe is launch customer, but the Embraer site lists Crossair as having 15 definite orders. Also looks like flybe with 118 pax will have 31" pitch vs 108 @32.....Also will take off field length of between 7340 ft (MTOW) and 5170 ft (500 nm) let the thing out of Guernsey....or are we now on props for the duration....?
Agree - IF Flybe is to survive it will have to be different from Easy/Ryan - Reuters news story with more details here
Peter
Interesting...Reuters says flybe is launch customer, but the Embraer site lists Crossair as having 15 definite orders. Also looks like flybe with 118 pax will have 31" pitch vs 108 @32.....Also will take off field length of between 7340 ft (MTOW) and 5170 ft (500 nm) let the thing out of Guernsey....or are we now on props for the duration....?
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Crossair ordered the aircraft prior to the reorganisation of the company as Swiss, and as with their other EMB-170/190 family aircraft, they have constantly had to delay these orders, as they do not have the funds in place to put in a new fleet type. This may change in the future.
I'm sure that Jet Airways of India is now considered the launch customer for the ERJ-175, after Swiss bailed on that product too. Perhaps the same thing has happened to flybe.
The EMB-190 family aircraft have attracted JetBlue as a very high-profile LCC and if the aircraft is as comfortable & airline-friendly as the E170s, I'm confident it'll be an excellent type for flybe.
I'm sure that Jet Airways of India is now considered the launch customer for the ERJ-175, after Swiss bailed on that product too. Perhaps the same thing has happened to flybe.
The EMB-190 family aircraft have attracted JetBlue as a very high-profile LCC and if the aircraft is as comfortable & airline-friendly as the E170s, I'm confident it'll be an excellent type for flybe.
According to the Embraer website, its official, an order for 14 ERJ 195s with options on 12 more. Must have been a very good deal, but will it work out of SOU to AGP/MJV/ALC?
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Flybe gets Embraer 195s
So it's not all doom and gloom then: Flybe has announced orders for 14 Emb 195s with 12 options. 950 million bucks' worth.
easyRyanJet eat my shorts!!
easyRyanJet eat my shorts!!
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BHX is to get a big boost in June there will be a press announcement at the end of the month that will see BHX and Flybe increasing there passengers from 2 to 3.5 million pa. Article in the Birmingham Post today
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Excellent for Flybe. However I'm sure that theres doom and gloom felt by the pilots who were hoping for Airbus/Boeing so that they could leg it at a later stage.
Cheer up guys, I'm sure its a vast improvement on the 146
Cheer up guys, I'm sure its a vast improvement on the 146
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Wow, that is supurb!
Are they retiring some of the 146s because of this?
I heard somewhere that they had a 733 in service, as they needed an increase in capacity, I guess this is going to fill the gap
Something different than 73s or A32*s buzzing around. Anyone have an idea on the routes they will serve?
Also, just to say hi, as I am new around here
Are they retiring some of the 146s because of this?
I heard somewhere that they had a 733 in service, as they needed an increase in capacity, I guess this is going to fill the gap
Something different than 73s or A32*s buzzing around. Anyone have an idea on the routes they will serve?
Also, just to say hi, as I am new around here
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A couple of extracts from today's Dow Jones newswire:
Flybe will take delivery of its first 195 in Autumn 2006. These planes will initially be deployed at Flybe's major bases in Birmingham, Southampton, Belfast, Exeter, Jersey, Guernsey, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The delivery of these firm orders will mean that Flybe will have a total fleet size of between 59 firm and 91 including options aircraft by 2009.
"The 195 will replace our 146 BAe fleet, and bring cost and service efficiencies. It completes our fleet rationalisation strategy commenced in 2003 and will give us the youngest fleet in the airline sector. "It also means that the business has addressed the strategic question of how to replace the 146 and provide a 10 year platform for profitable growth," French said. "We chose the 195 not only for its operational and cost advantage but also for its outstanding environmental performance.
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The Embraer doesn't actually represent an increase in seat capacitysince it has the same number of seats as the 146 - 300 series. It will be interesting getting in and out of (and parking it) at Southampton. and yes, it is a bit disappointing not to be getting a useful type rating. I'm not sure that you can improve on the 146, the most succesful British airliner (with the world's most forgiving undercarriage!), but it will be cool to get some whizzy gadgetry to play with in the flight deck! 