Flywho!

[Fried_Chicken]

I think this point has previously been covered but Flyblu/who were originally planning to start ops with a B767 but then swapped for an A310 so presumably, they have a source for this aircraft.

Fried Chicken

[skyrabbit]

It is my understanding that two aircraft have already been sourced and are soon to be painted and have interiors fitted.

Rabbs

[VIKING9]

Interviews lined up means nothing. Do they have the financial back that the CAA require ?

[Mike16]

Hi Mr Niceguy



Thankyou so much for your lovely teaser, well i do work for an airline, and guess what it is a lo-co, i have been there for 2 years nearly, i earn great pay, meet great crew, meet lovely passengers, to this date i have never had a bad passenger, fly on decent new aircraft, i work for a company where the profits are up and up, job security is brill, i get fed and watered at work, we have staff travel and most of all i love my job.
It may only be a lo-co, but the orange vibe is cool, i like it, i don't like being lied to time and time again, like this so called outfit, i do hope it works out, but i do not see a market for them.
I hope you get the job and are as happy as i am, i take it you have not flown lo-co then ?
You see, we may be cheap, buy my god, we give excellent customer service and get repeat business all the time !!!!! can flyblu or who do that ? Let's see........

Bye

Hi


One thing before you ask, whi if i am so happy doing what i am doing, was i applying for flyblu last year, the answer like a lot of other crew is i would like to do long haul.
So i am staying where i am, the grass is never greener on the other side, incase of flyblu / who they probably haven\'t even got grass...... sorry i had to slip that one in...... lol


Bye

[Transat Hostie]

What are these people on?

Mike16 I'm totally with you sweetie. Last years efforts from flyblu were shameful. Stick with where your at now, at least they have a decent reputation!

As for niceguy, the only reason he'll be at the interviews next month is because he is the CEO and has a thing for seamed stockings, remember the original photos everyone? His postings make it so obvious who he really is. Only people on the inside could claim to know as much as he does, and I suspect there are few more from flywho HQ posting on here too.

So they get off the ground this year, great. Remember though flywho marketing department - we've heard it all before. So you do get off the ground, how long will you last with all premium seats on a bucket and spade route? lol!!!

Over and out!

[ClickRich]

Last years efforts from flyblu were shameful

- I'm sure Flyblu/Flywho are as disappointed as anyone else that their plans didn't pan out as they had hoped. As the founder of several businesses, setbacks in the early days hurt and you need to keep focussed, determined and persistant to deliver results. I don't know exactly how they let people down and failed to deliver their promises (what exactly is a promise in business anyway?), but in due course I'd hope they apologise to those whose expectations were not met, be humble about how they've needed to regroup and empathise with those who are miffed at their treatment. From there they can start to rebuild their reputation.

Good luck in the venture.

[Mike16]

Hi Transit Hostie



Thanks for some support here, i feel i live on button moon with these people on here, i do remember the pics, that awful uniform etc, and that daft butterfly, what was that about ?
So i think the uniform will suit most of the pr**cks on here, i don't wish any one bad luck at all, but they have not made a good impression already have they ?

Bye

[Cyrano]

Mike16:

So i think the uniform will suit most of the pr**cks on here,

You're not happy with your experience last year with FlyBlu recruitment. Fine. You've told us that... several times. No need to descend to name-calling just because other posters don't agree with you.

Maybe it'd be more constructive, as well as supporting PPRUNE, if you buy a personal title, e.g.

Mike16
Hates flyblu

rather than just repeatedly posting variants of the same derogatory comments?

(note: I have nothing at all to do with fly[blu/who]. I don't know if they'll succeed or fail. I think they seriously underestimated the complexity of starting up and p*ssed a number of people off en route, but I'm prepared to give them a chance to redeem themselves and I'm interested to see whether there's a market for their product and whether they can market it effectively.)

[ClickRich]

Mike16,
No matter what you do or don't have against Flywho, by making offensive comments against the many posters such as myself who have not resorted to personal insults, I suggest that you're not creating a positive image for your own employer.

Next time I fly Ezy, I'll be wondering which of the staff are thinking I'm one...

...of the pr**cks

[Mike16]

Hi



Have i insulted any passengers at all ? i think not, i said, we give excellent customer service, that is why the company i work for does so well, we have repeat business.
If you folks have taken a look at my post's you will see i have not once wished them bad, all i have actually said is, they have had a bad image is so far, no advertising etc...... i hope they do make a go of it, so guy's please take time to look at all my post's, before starting to insult me, yes there are some pr**cks out there and did i mention a particular person ?


Bye

[GK430]

Well B'ham seems to attract them. Even if this latest venture gets off the runway without going via Bangor, how long will it last.

First Choice can at least carry belly freight out of EMA which no doubt keeps pax surcharges to a min.

B'ham seems more intent on spending money on the Bullring shopping centre than investing in the airport. Okay, it spends, but relatively speaking.....

I note the Midland Air 767 is still sat on the ground with no C of A.
Well at least its accumulating parking charges - just a shame it isn't translated into runway charges, pax taxes and traditional economic viability.

[Fried_Chicken]

Ah, but whilst the Midland Air/Slovak Air B767 is sat on the ground at Brum, they have to position an aircraft in to operate the flight & out afterwards, thus creating more in landing fee's than the B767 would have. Just before xmas these (Midland Air) flights were operated by IcelandAir B757s whilst the last couple of flights have been operated by an Armavia A320.

B'ham are currently spending money on the airport infastructure, currently constucting an extra turnoff off the main runway + widening of some of the taxiways.

Manchester had Backpackers Express, not heard about them for abit so it isn't just B'ham although I think that Flywho may just work.

FC

[niceguy]

CEO?? I WISH!!!!

good old Mike16. Seems to be ticking almost everyone off. Well done!

As for me being the boss at flyblu/who/where/when etc. I can only say again 'I WISH!'

Where do some people get their ideas? I guess it comes from me being supportive of this venture. Happily I find larger numbers of others who dont agree with the doubters either now, but you might like to know that I am attending the interviews AS A CANDIDATE!

You might also like to know that a charter airline structure (which this surely is now) doesnt need to sell seats in singles if a tour company is paying for the whole plane.

Why would flywho need to promote themselves to sell seats if someone has already agreed to charter the whole aircraft? So those out there moaning about lack of advertising , please understand that they dont need to do it anymore than Astraeus need to sell directly to the public. Or Britannia or Air Atlanta etc.

I do find it amazing that the people at blu/who/what/when are even being critisised for not doing things that dont need to be done! You'll start moaning that they dont have a 747 simulator next so's to not train people on 747!

Give them a break PLEASE!

[Harrier46]

niceguy
Not backing either side in this argument but looking at the website it certainly looks like they are marketing this themselves and selling individual seats. Maybe in the background they are negotiating block allocations to tour operators. But surely most tour operators are at the bucket and spade end of the market.

[ClickRich]

But surely most tour operators are at the bucket and spade end of the market.

Maybe that's their point. They could be marketing blocks of seats to the high end tour operator brands- there's plenty of them who at the moment associate themselves with cruise ships, romantic train rides etc etc. Access to premium economy aircraft seats really opens their options.

[jabird]

Harrier,

Agreed - they are certainly trying to brand themselves and sell direct. Why else all the fuss about the little kid with the butterfly? A name like Flywho leaves them open to either ridicule or great riches. I'm trying to think of brands in the "quality" end of the market with "silly" names - any suggestions?

> there's plenty of them who at the moment associate themselves with cruise ships, romantic train rides etc etc

CR, just to be picky, but no romantic train rides in Florida, unless you count that ropey single track Amtrak crawler down to Miami.

[Mike16]

Hi

hope everyone is o.k, just wondering how the so-called interviews went ? did they happen ? anyone who has been care to answer .

Bye

[Iconic]

Well cant speak for anyone other my good self, but I was fairly impressed. They have some big plans afoot, watch this space!

[330-Purser]

I rang their reservations number the other day to be told their first flight will be St Pete's in March. I didn't realise they were now planning on being airborne that quickly?

Does anyone know if their licences and stuff are due soon? when I asked the girl on the phone about how my money would be protected, she hadn't got a clue. maybe this call was being handled by some other company but it did my confidence no good whatsoever to hear that.

I decided to call the CAA before the reservations girl took my money (as she was quite happy to) and check if they have any kind of licence or ATOL to protect my money in anyway. The CAA and CPG had no record of flywho, flyblu or blu arrow aviation (their ltd co name) having either licence or one due imminently. All rather worrying that they were prepared to take my money!

Anyone else had a similar experience?

[Cyrano]

March is news to me! The website shows late June as the first bookable flight, so if they are really starting flights in March there may be some empty planes around.

I note the FAQ on their website says:

Is my booking protected with ABTA or something?
Airlines do not protect their customer with an ATOL bond or any similar arrangement as they are not required to do so by the CAA. However, anxious to extend extra comfort for anyone who intends to flywho, we have made arrangements for all tickets to be handled by ATOL bonded agents and tour operators. This will ensure that all passengers are able to book with absolute confidence that their money is secure.

I assume this means that flyblu don't have the ATOL, but the agent through which they accept your booking (whoever that is) does. As far as obtaining an AOC from the CAA goes, I don't know whether they are planning to run on their own AOC from the start or if they will initially be piggy-backing on someone else's. If the latter, then I'm not sure whether they need any licences at all (ATOL-protected ticket agent selling seats on the aircraft of a third-party carrier with its own AOC and Class A licence; flywho just acting as a promoter and marketer).

But that's just speculation on my side. I'm still perplexed about the alleged start in March (next month!)

C.