DurhamTeesValleyAirport happenings
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INKJET are you actually in the know on the second baby or not? Not that im sceptical or anything but it was promised when they started operations from Teesside but here we are now still waiting for it. When it does come (if ever) what are the expected routes for it? because at the moment alot of people in the Teesside area especially those who work at the airport feel like the whole bmi group are taking the piss. e.g. reducing the Heathrow for the summer when in December one extra rotation meant a 41% increase in passengers, the removal of the Prauge which had load factors in the 80% region and quite often the 90s, the belfast that is down to 4 times a week (if they don't want to do it properly ie twice a day 7 days a week let someone else do it or give it to Air Wales) and the fact that Paris is only 4 times a week (again do it properly twice a day 7 days a week to allow business travellers to do a full days work and get home the same day, failing that at least once a day 7 days a week). I know that one aircraft couldn't do all that I ask and the spanish routes as well but at least if they concentrated on a smaller number of routes people would take them more seriously.
Sorry for sounding like I'm having a go but it is almost as if bmi as a whole at MME are trying to shoot themselves in the foot, which if they do it may not hurt them very much but will cripple the airport itself and a lot of innocent and hard working people.
Sorry for sounding like I'm having a go but it is almost as if bmi as a whole at MME are trying to shoot themselves in the foot, which if they do it may not hurt them very much but will cripple the airport itself and a lot of innocent and hard working people.
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To be honest, I'd like to see Flybe or someone else try and have a go at MME.
The problem with Baby here is that they don't seem to have the commitment to the area. Yet their presence will probably deter others using here because of the limited catchment.
Baby - do us proud, or let someone else have a go!
The problem with Baby here is that they don't seem to have the commitment to the area. Yet their presence will probably deter others using here because of the limited catchment.
Baby - do us proud, or let someone else have a go!
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Pembo thought I'd be annoying and point out that MME has a bigger catchment than NCL so why can't there be more airlines flying to more destinations, although I know what you mean about others airlines being put off, the problem is that MME is percieved to have a small catchment area.
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I think one of the biggest issues around MME is lack of focus.
The name change to Durham Tees Valley was all about trying to get more inbound tourism. In my experience it is quicker to fly to Newcastle if I am going to Durham because of the speedier metro and train links.
I think there is room for both NCL and MME to expand within their catchment areas. You also need to consider the NCL's catchment area has expanded rapidly since EZY's arrival with people coming from Cumbria, Yorkshire and Scotland (it's amazing how far people will travel for a cheap flight!).
As someone said earlier a massive problem is WW's lack of commitment to MME. They don't seem to have grasped the concept that they could expand routes and base more aircraft on a similiar scale to EZY at NCL. I think WW are too focussed on their new base at BHX to worry about anywhere else.
Hopefully, we will see both NCL and MME expand. I certainly hope so given that I travel from both frequently. Competition can only be good for us passengers in finding cheap flights!!
The name change to Durham Tees Valley was all about trying to get more inbound tourism. In my experience it is quicker to fly to Newcastle if I am going to Durham because of the speedier metro and train links.
I think there is room for both NCL and MME to expand within their catchment areas. You also need to consider the NCL's catchment area has expanded rapidly since EZY's arrival with people coming from Cumbria, Yorkshire and Scotland (it's amazing how far people will travel for a cheap flight!).
As someone said earlier a massive problem is WW's lack of commitment to MME. They don't seem to have grasped the concept that they could expand routes and base more aircraft on a similiar scale to EZY at NCL. I think WW are too focussed on their new base at BHX to worry about anywhere else.
Hopefully, we will see both NCL and MME expand. I certainly hope so given that I travel from both frequently. Competition can only be good for us passengers in finding cheap flights!!
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Onion, I don't think the catchment area is as big as you think. Half an hour up the road from MME and your nearer to NCL, half an hour down the road and your nearer to LBA. On routes served by all three airports i'm pretty sure there's not much difference in price, so thats not a factor. I think most will choose to fly from their nearest (by travelling time) airport, business type people will choose to fly by the frequency of the flight (there and back in the same day). The two reasons stated above shrink the catchment area of MME. There are a few exceptions, unavailability of seats at other airports and last minute deals but i think on the overall scale of things they are few and far between. So in my opinion the rough catchment area is Durham City to the North and prehaps Ripon/Thirsk to the South.
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I agree with all the points here.
One final thought from me (as an aside); the ideal airline to move into MME isn't Flybe as I said earlier; it really has to be Thomsonfly. They have the presence, they have the commitment, they have the relationship with Peel and DSA is far enough away as not to tread too much on their own toes.
For me, this would be a great catch.
One final thought from me (as an aside); the ideal airline to move into MME isn't Flybe as I said earlier; it really has to be Thomsonfly. They have the presence, they have the commitment, they have the relationship with Peel and DSA is far enough away as not to tread too much on their own toes.
For me, this would be a great catch.
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Centrefix we ve been over this before on earlier threads and here it is
from “The future development of air transport in the UK: North of England”
Page 42, Table 2.2 ‘Population Catchment’
1 hour road catchement population
MAN 5-7 million
LPL 5-7 million
LBA 3-5 million
MME 2-3 million
NCL 2-3 million
HUY 0.6 – 1 million
2 hour road catchment population
LBA 16-18 million
MAN 15-17 million
LPL 13-15 million
HUY 10-11 million
MME 6-7 million
NCL 3-4 million
data per DLTR NAAM model.
from “The future development of air transport in the UK: North of England”
Page 42, Table 2.2 ‘Population Catchment’
1 hour road catchement population
MAN 5-7 million
LPL 5-7 million
LBA 3-5 million
MME 2-3 million
NCL 2-3 million
HUY 0.6 – 1 million
2 hour road catchment population
LBA 16-18 million
MAN 15-17 million
LPL 13-15 million
HUY 10-11 million
MME 6-7 million
NCL 3-4 million
data per DLTR NAAM model.
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I don't doubt the figures at all. The thing is i'm one of the 6-7 Million that live with in 2 hours drive of MME, but I would have to drive past NCL to get there, and i'm not going to do that. Question is how many of the 6-7 Million would have to drive past NCL or LBA to get to MME and are stupid enough to do it?
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My money is on Thomsonfly to launch their next base at MME, especially if the Thomson Holiday flying goes well this summer then i think we could see two Thomsonfly a/c based at MMe in the near future.
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And like most people who live nearer NCL I would be prepared to pay an extra £10 each way for a flight rather than drive and park at MME!
Thomsonfly seems the best bet with no North East base as yet. FR are also eyeing both NCL and MME for a potential further base but have not made any decision. Either way MME needs a loco who can give them commitment and a daily schedule like EZY at NCL. WW's rotations are confusing for people like me and high frequency and good times are important to business travellers.
Saying that, NCL is getting very busy - especially in the summer; will they have enough stands!
I personally would love to see Thomsonfly at MME - especially if they offer destinations slightly different to EZY. For example, the NE have no loco service to AMS so that would be popular as would a route to Bordeaux or maybe Toulouse.
It will all come with time I'm sure!!
Thomsonfly seems the best bet with no North East base as yet. FR are also eyeing both NCL and MME for a potential further base but have not made any decision. Either way MME needs a loco who can give them commitment and a daily schedule like EZY at NCL. WW's rotations are confusing for people like me and high frequency and good times are important to business travellers.
Saying that, NCL is getting very busy - especially in the summer; will they have enough stands!
I personally would love to see Thomsonfly at MME - especially if they offer destinations slightly different to EZY. For example, the NE have no loco service to AMS so that would be popular as would a route to Bordeaux or maybe Toulouse.
It will all come with time I'm sure!!
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Anyone know if any routes are up and coming, the airport met with 35!! airlines last autumn and we've had 1 new route out of it 
That was Ryanair to Rome, they might not have even met with FR 
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That was Ryanair to Rome, they might not have even met with FR mmeteesside
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'And like most people who live nearer NCL I would be prepared to pay an extra £10 each way for a flight rather than drive and park at MME!'
'Question is how many of the 6-7 Million would have to drive past NCL or LBA to get to MME and are stupid enough to do it?'
You are both very lucky that you can get the flight you want from NCL (or LBA), and don't have to be 'stupid enough' to be forced to drive past MME to get the flight you want.
'Question is how many of the 6-7 Million would have to drive past NCL or LBA to get to MME and are stupid enough to do it?'
You are both very lucky that you can get the flight you want from NCL (or LBA), and don't have to be 'stupid enough' to be forced to drive past MME to get the flight you want.
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A few snippets of what has been going on-
37% increase in pax numbers in March 2005 compared to March 2004. bmi Heathrow route 26% increase in pax figures. Nearly 7,500 pax to Rome, which I think is pretty good as it is only the 2nd full month.
Libra Holidays announcing a flight to Larnaca. Does anyone have any details?
Airtours Ibiza flight now on a Friday night with Spanair, Alicante Saturday Spanair flight not starting until end of May (unless it is full all of May of course! unlikely I think) and very interesting is that the Airtours Mahon flights are with GirJet on Friday mornings. Are they Fokker 100's?? Reus flights are still bookable on AEU on Monday's.
And the big news - new free shuttle bus to Darlington railway station and town centre!
Anybody have anymore news?
37% increase in pax numbers in March 2005 compared to March 2004. bmi Heathrow route 26% increase in pax figures. Nearly 7,500 pax to Rome, which I think is pretty good as it is only the 2nd full month.
Libra Holidays announcing a flight to Larnaca. Does anyone have any details?
Airtours Ibiza flight now on a Friday night with Spanair, Alicante Saturday Spanair flight not starting until end of May (unless it is full all of May of course! unlikely I think) and very interesting is that the Airtours Mahon flights are with GirJet on Friday mornings. Are they Fokker 100's?? Reus flights are still bookable on AEU on Monday's.
And the big news - new free shuttle bus to Darlington railway station and town centre!
Anybody have anymore news?
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37% increase is very good for DurhamTeesValley! Don't forget though that Easter came in March this year 
Libra Holidays flight is on the Helios on a Wednesday morning
The Mahon flight with GirJet sounds good, they recently painted a F100 into Spanair livery
The shuttle bus is a good idea, free too.......though only to flyers
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Libra Holidays flight is on the Helios on a Wednesday morning
The Mahon flight with GirJet sounds good, they recently painted a F100 into Spanair livery
The shuttle bus is a good idea, free too.......though only to flyers
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Any one got any ideas on how the winter is starting to look?
Is bmibaby going to expand it's operations at MME? Will they reintroduce the Prague as i'm hopefully off to Prague oct/nov and have ask both bmi and baby if it will be reinstated but have had no correspondence from either of them.
Are there any more Ryanair routes on the cards, Barcelona maybe, and will the Rome stay?
Is the Heathrow back upto four a day?
Is there going to be an extra link to London? eg London City, bmi have two 135 that are fitted for it but aren't operating them into city.
Will KLM put F100 rather than the F70 on the Amsterdam or add a four flight a day?
How many IT's does the place have this winter?
Will any new operators come into the airport?
Will Peel do something about the old part of the car park. As the machinary that came in to build the extension to the car park ripped up the existing car park and now it is full of pot holes.
Is bmibaby going to expand it's operations at MME? Will they reintroduce the Prague as i'm hopefully off to Prague oct/nov and have ask both bmi and baby if it will be reinstated but have had no correspondence from either of them.
Are there any more Ryanair routes on the cards, Barcelona maybe, and will the Rome stay?
Is the Heathrow back upto four a day?
Is there going to be an extra link to London? eg London City, bmi have two 135 that are fitted for it but aren't operating them into city.
Will KLM put F100 rather than the F70 on the Amsterdam or add a four flight a day?
How many IT's does the place have this winter?
Will any new operators come into the airport?
Will Peel do something about the old part of the car park. As the machinary that came in to build the extension to the car park ripped up the existing car park and now it is full of pot holes.
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Amadeus showing (reliable?)
LHR - 3 a day, mainly 320
AMS - 3 a day, all F70 (2 Saturday)
Doesn't seem to show Eastern any more on any routes
I was under the impression that the old part of the car park was supposed to be getting re-surfaced??
Also, I got my 'traveltalk' magazine from DTV the other day, apparently the new terminal could be in use by 2007! Better get started on building it then! It's going to be another Peel glasshouse (with those silly-looking 'gate bridges')
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LHR - 3 a day, mainly 320
AMS - 3 a day, all F70 (2 Saturday)
Doesn't seem to show Eastern any more on any routes
I was under the impression that the old part of the car park was supposed to be getting re-surfaced??
Also, I got my 'traveltalk' magazine from DTV the other day, apparently the new terminal could be in use by 2007! Better get started on building it then! It's going to be another Peel glasshouse (with those silly-looking 'gate bridges')
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Doesn't seem to show Eastern any more on any routes
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So no one has anything else then?
All this talk of other airport doing such and such, and it looks as if mme will get left behind again. Peel needs to get a grip of the place and make things happen, certain parts of the airport are disillusioned with the way the airport is progressing. There is no great belief in what management are saying or doing, and people just don't think the future is as bright as they are led to believe.
All this talk of other airport doing such and such, and it looks as if mme will get left behind again. Peel needs to get a grip of the place and make things happen, certain parts of the airport are disillusioned with the way the airport is progressing. There is no great belief in what management are saying or doing, and people just don't think the future is as bright as they are led to believe.
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There were rumours on other threads about a second bmibaby aircraft being based at MME, and according to bmibaby website they are leasing an addtional 3 aircraft and speaking to existing bases about routes etc, so there maybe some truth in that.
Having said that the pax figures for the new services in April are not exactly brilliant-
Paris 2599 pax (50% load factor)
Cork 1340 pax (Average 39pax per flight), which is pretty poor, even if one flight a week is by an Air Wales ATR.
Rome 6173 total, split between the 2 Rome airports and Pescara, which works out about a 57% load factor.
These figues will have to improve to sustain the servces. Anyone any idea how the new Newquay service is shaping up? Hopefully it will have a few more pax than Belfast!
The flybe/HUY threads mention flights to MME, but as far as I am aware, flybe themselves have never mentioned MME, and I find it highly unlikely seen as though they have mentioned expansion from both NCL and LBA. Still we could hope.
Checking out the IT brochures for Winter 05/06, all that is planned is the same 3 or 4 flights a week that there was last winter, which is pretty poor really.
Having said all that we have to remember how far the airport has grown in a short time, hopefully some stability in the IT summer market with the Thomson 737 based, and if Peel achieve all they promise, the future looks bright. We shall see.
Having said that the pax figures for the new services in April are not exactly brilliant-
Paris 2599 pax (50% load factor)
Cork 1340 pax (Average 39pax per flight), which is pretty poor, even if one flight a week is by an Air Wales ATR.
Rome 6173 total, split between the 2 Rome airports and Pescara, which works out about a 57% load factor.
These figues will have to improve to sustain the servces. Anyone any idea how the new Newquay service is shaping up? Hopefully it will have a few more pax than Belfast!
The flybe/HUY threads mention flights to MME, but as far as I am aware, flybe themselves have never mentioned MME, and I find it highly unlikely seen as though they have mentioned expansion from both NCL and LBA. Still we could hope.
Checking out the IT brochures for Winter 05/06, all that is planned is the same 3 or 4 flights a week that there was last winter, which is pretty poor really.
Having said all that we have to remember how far the airport has grown in a short time, hopefully some stability in the IT summer market with the Thomson 737 based, and if Peel achieve all they promise, the future looks bright. We shall see.