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Jet2 have put winter AMS and EDI routes on sale until Jan, flight times different with earlier morning departures from MAN
Were Jet2 simply holding out for better slot times? or were the waiting to see what BACX would do?
Perhap NCE, VCE and PSA will go year round now?
Who is likely to take over the Rome and SNN routes?
Alitallia? (Rome)
Ryanair? (Shannon)
Bmibaby? (three aircraft still to base this autumn)
Were Jet2 simply holding out for better slot times? or were the waiting to see what BACX would do?
Perhap NCE, VCE and PSA will go year round now?
Who is likely to take over the Rome and SNN routes?
Alitallia? (Rome)
Ryanair? (Shannon)
Bmibaby? (three aircraft still to base this autumn)
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Just a reminder for the less 'business' orientated
out there.....
Big aircraft......lots of empty seats......BAD
Small aircraft...lots of full seats..........GOOD
As BA fly 'business' type routes from Manchester
the type of aircraft is fitted to the fat or thin -ness
of the route.
The yield from such flights can obviously vary
quite a lot.Just ask yourself why Ryanair and
Easyjet seem to be doing okay!
BA brought in GB as a 'Leisure' arm for leisure
destinations to try and get some of the market.
BACX has struggled along for too long without the
backing of the public/business sector of the
travelling public.
If routes cannot support themselves then
downgrading or canx occurs.
MM
out there.....
Big aircraft......lots of empty seats......BAD
Small aircraft...lots of full seats..........GOOD
As BA fly 'business' type routes from Manchester
the type of aircraft is fitted to the fat or thin -ness
of the route.
The yield from such flights can obviously vary
quite a lot.Just ask yourself why Ryanair and
Easyjet seem to be doing okay!
BA brought in GB as a 'Leisure' arm for leisure
destinations to try and get some of the market.
BACX has struggled along for too long without the
backing of the public/business sector of the
travelling public.
If routes cannot support themselves then
downgrading or canx occurs.
MM
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I used to work in Business travel and pax do not like the Embraers and the RJ`s are to slow and don`t fly above the weather
as we found out once when we took off before the AF A320 and he overtook us
missed the storms on the way and arrived about 15 20 mins before us
G-I-B
as we found out once when we took off before the AF A320 and he overtook us
missed the storms on the way and arrived about 15 20 mins before us
G-I-B
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Excuses, excues, excuses, excuses....thats all you get from BACX...well fine, let Monarch Sched, Jet2 and HLX step in I say! They dont seem to have the same 'issues' as BACX and they operate 'big' planes!
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MON load factors are apparently not good on MAD, and Jet2's aren't high enough for a no frills airline either when they're compared to EZY and FR. I dobt very much that MON are making money on a 50% load farctor to MAD especially when nearly all low fares!
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G-I-B is right, the average business traveller doesn't want to go on a pokey Embraer.
Using the previous examble if you have the choice to fly to paris on an AF A320 or a BA Embraer I'd go for the Airbus everytime.
On the subject of load factors, there have been many posts on various forums about the lack of success of Jet2 at Manchester, however they are adding routes and keeping the so called failing services going, so maybe they dont consider them as failures, yet!
Using the previous examble if you have the choice to fly to paris on an AF A320 or a BA Embraer I'd go for the Airbus everytime.
On the subject of load factors, there have been many posts on various forums about the lack of success of Jet2 at Manchester, however they are adding routes and keeping the so called failing services going, so maybe they dont consider them as failures, yet!
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I don't mind travelling on Embraers; they're deceptively spacious.
Looking at the CAA passenger figures for June, MAN generally handles more pax than BHX to EU cities, sometimes significantly more, yet BA have chosen to base their 146s at BHX and ERJs at MAN.
I don't get it.
Looking at the CAA passenger figures for June, MAN generally handles more pax than BHX to EU cities, sometimes significantly more, yet BA have chosen to base their 146s at BHX and ERJs at MAN.
I don't get it.
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They're running for cover!!
Dear ian_h1,
Following a review of some of British Airways Citiexpress routes operated from Manchester, we have today announced the cancellation of the following services from the Winter 2005/06 schedule.
As you are an Executive Club member who has travelled from Manchester to one or more of the destinations affected, we want to notify you about these route changes.
With effect from 12 September, flights from Manchester to Zurich and Shannon will be cancelled. In addition, effective October 31st the following flights will be cancelled from Manchester; Cork, Rome, Pisa, Venice, Nice and Stuttgart. All remaining British Airways, British Airways Citiexpress services, and GB Airways services from Manchester will continue to operate. We regret any inconvenience these changes may cause. If you currently hold a booking on one of these services, please contact British Airways for further details, call your service centre or travel agent.
British Airways remains committed to providing services at Manchester, and in addition to the new services provided by our franchise partner, GB Airways, to Tenerife, Malta, Paphos, and Malaga, we are delighted to announce that effective 31st October, GB Airways will introduce three new destinations from Manchester to Gran Canaria, Lanzarote and Marrakech.
Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to welcoming you on board again soon.
Your sincerely,
Sarah Ford
Manager, Executive Club
Following a review of some of British Airways Citiexpress routes operated from Manchester, we have today announced the cancellation of the following services from the Winter 2005/06 schedule.
As you are an Executive Club member who has travelled from Manchester to one or more of the destinations affected, we want to notify you about these route changes.
With effect from 12 September, flights from Manchester to Zurich and Shannon will be cancelled. In addition, effective October 31st the following flights will be cancelled from Manchester; Cork, Rome, Pisa, Venice, Nice and Stuttgart. All remaining British Airways, British Airways Citiexpress services, and GB Airways services from Manchester will continue to operate. We regret any inconvenience these changes may cause. If you currently hold a booking on one of these services, please contact British Airways for further details, call your service centre or travel agent.
British Airways remains committed to providing services at Manchester, and in addition to the new services provided by our franchise partner, GB Airways, to Tenerife, Malta, Paphos, and Malaga, we are delighted to announce that effective 31st October, GB Airways will introduce three new destinations from Manchester to Gran Canaria, Lanzarote and Marrakech.
Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to welcoming you on board again soon.
Your sincerely,
Sarah Ford
Manager, Executive Club
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saw in the airline press today that MAN are expanding big time, enlargement of two terminals 12 extra stands 49 desks, to cope with 40m!?! pax pa by 2015, where are all these people coming from!!!
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BA to Frankfurt Small a/c 20 pax [E145]
LH to Frankfurt Big a/c 154 pax [A321]
Big Aiways is a London based airline and IMMHO is paying "lip service" to the regions....small a/c to EU destinations and big a/c to LHR
watp,iktch
BA to Frankfurt Small a/c 20 pax [E145]
LH to Frankfurt Big a/c 154 pax [A321]
Big Aiways is a London based airline and IMMHO is paying "lip service" to the regions....small a/c to EU destinations and big a/c to LHR
watp,iktch
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The reason why Lufthansa and Air France
use bigger aircraft is because a lot of their
passengers journeys end is not Paris or
Frankfurt.
The routes of BA from Manchester to
Europe are point-to-point and not onwards.
(ie:Business orientated)
Therefore if the business community isnt
using BA (at Manchester) but using instead
european airlines its not a surprise the routes
get downgraded.
I look forward to the destinations being
served by new airlines in the future!
It should certainly solve the slot allocation
problems?
The reason why Lufthansa and Air France
use bigger aircraft is because a lot of their
passengers journeys end is not Paris or
Frankfurt.
The routes of BA from Manchester to
Europe are point-to-point and not onwards.
(ie:Business orientated)
Therefore if the business community isnt
using BA (at Manchester) but using instead
european airlines its not a surprise the routes
get downgraded.
I look forward to the destinations being
served by new airlines in the future!
It should certainly solve the slot allocation
problems?
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So Alitalia are "interlining"? MD80 100+ against E145 30[ish] pax
Amsterdam....Jet2 Hardly "interlining"...BA "pull out"
I think that the question is "Why do pax interline out of MAN on Foreign Carriers ?
Answer, BA do not provide the service that the pax want. BA would rather fly them to LHR and go from there.
Look at the recent history....B737s to "Europe" now, if you are lucky it's a Barbie Jet/146. If you were one of the "unfortunates" to CDG, BRU or AMS [before it stopped] then you could have been on a Dash8. What the heck of of a "business service is that?
watp,iktch
So Alitalia are "interlining"? MD80 100+ against E145 30[ish] pax
Amsterdam....Jet2 Hardly "interlining"...BA "pull out"
I think that the question is "Why do pax interline out of MAN on Foreign Carriers ?
Answer, BA do not provide the service that the pax want. BA would rather fly them to LHR and go from there.
Look at the recent history....B737s to "Europe" now, if you are lucky it's a Barbie Jet/146. If you were one of the "unfortunates" to CDG, BRU or AMS [before it stopped] then you could have been on a Dash8. What the heck of of a "business service is that?
watp,iktch
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Chiglet
Yes you have got my point!
BA 'interlines' to LHR
The airline cannot fill its flights from
LHR unless it has shuttles...they are
there to feed the main base!
Surely if your so 'hung-up' about BA
and its use of Manchester you will
welcome the withdrawal?
BA is a private airline and doesnt have
to do anything for loyalties sake.
Perhaps you bought shares in BA and are
now having your say?...or did you sell
for profit!
At the end of the day BA dont have
to fly from Manchester to where-ever
because the shuttle feeds from all
corners.
No-thrills airlines will not fly to many of
these destinations because......?????
(Alitalia are giving up the Birmingham ops)
Yes you have got my point!
BA 'interlines' to LHR
The airline cannot fill its flights from
LHR unless it has shuttles...they are
there to feed the main base!
Surely if your so 'hung-up' about BA
and its use of Manchester you will
welcome the withdrawal?
BA is a private airline and doesnt have
to do anything for loyalties sake.
Perhaps you bought shares in BA and are
now having your say?...or did you sell
for profit!
At the end of the day BA dont have
to fly from Manchester to where-ever
because the shuttle feeds from all
corners.
No-thrills airlines will not fly to many of
these destinations because......?????
(Alitalia are giving up the Birmingham ops)