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Turin,
The post is not about the internal workings of BA, or any of it's subsidiaries. I haven't got the wrong end of the stick, and by the way, i was there at the time and know all about it. My post is about that it wouldn't make any difference if BA left MAN, and for the airport may even be positive. I didn't mention BACX, mainline or whatever because i meant the whole lot.
The shuttle is bad for longhaul growth at MAN by other airlines, and BACX is so small it's irrelevant. The post isn't about whether or not the terms and conditions of BACX crew are rubbish compared with any other department, or any other internal affair for that matter.
The post is not about the internal workings of BA, or any of it's subsidiaries. I haven't got the wrong end of the stick, and by the way, i was there at the time and know all about it. My post is about that it wouldn't make any difference if BA left MAN, and for the airport may even be positive. I didn't mention BACX, mainline or whatever because i meant the whole lot.
The shuttle is bad for longhaul growth at MAN by other airlines, and BACX is so small it's irrelevant. The post isn't about whether or not the terms and conditions of BACX crew are rubbish compared with any other department, or any other internal affair for that matter.
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If I am not mistaken, MAN-JFK is not BA Citiexpress anymore. Although the crew are MAN based, the flight is BA operated - if you do the following in Amadeus: DOBA1502/03 it does not say 'operated by BA Citiexpress' as it used to.
Also, regarding the performance of BA MAN-JFK, it is VERY profitable. I have been monitoring the loads for the past three months and J,C class are regularly full as well economy, pretty impressive as it is practically only O and D traffic!
From what I have heard, BA would like to scrap MAN-JFK, but it is a real money earner, that is why they do not. Come on guys, if MAN-JFK was not profitable, do you really think BA would have let the service continue? I don't think so somehow!
Also, regarding the performance of BA MAN-JFK, it is VERY profitable. I have been monitoring the loads for the past three months and J,C class are regularly full as well economy, pretty impressive as it is practically only O and D traffic!
From what I have heard, BA would like to scrap MAN-JFK, but it is a real money earner, that is why they do not. Come on guys, if MAN-JFK was not profitable, do you really think BA would have let the service continue? I don't think so somehow!
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That was the particular end of the stick I was refering to.
As for your other comments, I am inclined to agree.
By the way, I am not crew, I wish I had been 3 years ago, they got a damn sight better deal than the Enginers who were well and truly shafted!
Let's leave it there and get back on topic.
Rumour has it that GB will have 4 A320s based at MAN very soon.
Tell you what, so i don't offend anyone else at BA by linking with another part of their own company,.......... (disclaimer: no resposibility can be taken by me for anyone at 'Mainline' or 'Citiexpress' or any other internal empire of no consequence to the outside world, who feels traumatised by being linked another part of the same company).
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As for your other comments, I am inclined to agree.
By the way, I am not crew, I wish I had been 3 years ago, they got a damn sight better deal than the Enginers who were well and truly shafted!
Let's leave it there and get back on topic.
Rumour has it that GB will have 4 A320s based at MAN very soon.
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Accountants run airlines
It doesn't matter what one's OPINION is of BA's commitment to Manchester, be it Cityexpress or mainline, It's the accountants that have the final say these days.
Example:
As I understand it, the Hangar that used to be LOOSLEY termed the 'NEW BA Hangar' has been empty now for some 18 months plus. BA along with MA stumped up the cash to build this. However apparently it is now less of a burden to BA, remaining unused and empty than if it were fully utilised. It's still however,viewed as an asset, so whilst that's the case nobody else can use it, as it 'OURS'!!!
BA Citiexpress have expressed an interest in using it rather than their present very cramped and awkward premises in Hangar 4 ( I Think it is called that, - the old Dan-Air one), but the rental that BA/MA want for it is very prohibitive, so it remains a complete waste of space, when space is at a premium at the momment!
Germany is a bigger country size wise than the UK, but come on, why is it that Lufthansa Mainline can sustain two hubs, Frankfurt and Munich, without much problem?
They obviously have better accountants than BA?
I'd just love BA to get out a bit and go for Somewhere, ANYWHERE, than the bleedin SE of ENGLAND. They'll never atract me I'm afraid, I'd rather stage through anywhere than the SE
Example:
As I understand it, the Hangar that used to be LOOSLEY termed the 'NEW BA Hangar' has been empty now for some 18 months plus. BA along with MA stumped up the cash to build this. However apparently it is now less of a burden to BA, remaining unused and empty than if it were fully utilised. It's still however,viewed as an asset, so whilst that's the case nobody else can use it, as it 'OURS'!!!
BA Citiexpress have expressed an interest in using it rather than their present very cramped and awkward premises in Hangar 4 ( I Think it is called that, - the old Dan-Air one), but the rental that BA/MA want for it is very prohibitive, so it remains a complete waste of space, when space is at a premium at the momment!
Germany is a bigger country size wise than the UK, but come on, why is it that Lufthansa Mainline can sustain two hubs, Frankfurt and Munich, without much problem?
They obviously have better accountants than BA?
I'd just love BA to get out a bit and go for Somewhere, ANYWHERE, than the bleedin SE of ENGLAND. They'll never atract me I'm afraid, I'd rather stage through anywhere than the SE
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You have to remember that not many people in the world want to travel to FRA or MUC. LH have these set up as hub operations with so much connecting traffic. Those who are going may have a decent amount of business purpose travel. I woudl guess about 70-80% connex?
On the other hand, LON is a destination that people want to go to. I do not think of BA at LHR as a hub operator - the slots do not enable them to work the bank structure that true hub operators have. Instead they have a lot of flights going to London, with the major benefit of being able to connect these pax on for the additional revenue. I would say this is about 30% on average?
If BA became the LH type of operation then they could do in MAN what LH do in MUC. However keep in mind that the business demand for MAN is never going to be enough for a full network operation.
Also, if we compare the UK to Germany, BA has had a secondary carrier to contend with on both markets - bmi on shorthaul and Virgin on longhaul (now bmi also on longhaul) - LH have had the benefit of not having such major carriers restricting growth - thus being able to grow to wherever they want - and get all pax.
Also on low cost, the UK has had fierce competition from the likes of easyjet and Ryanair also snapping at their heals - whilst this doesn't impact on longhaul it does on shorthaul which doesn't help a carrier when trying to grow - hence I think their decision to not focus anything elsewhere.
And you should also compare the amount of other longhaul flights to MAN vs MUC - I don't know much about MUC, but if you consider MAN has ORD x2, JFK, EWR x2, ATL, MIA, BOS, PHL, IAD, MCO, LAS, YYZ, YVR etc it doesn't mean you can jump in and dominate!!
At the end of the day (and being ready for abuse) I think BA have done the right thing in staying away from MAN and focusing their longhaul efforts on LHR where the true demand is.
I think people forget how much more competitive the UK has been for many years versus the continent so don't think any useful comparisons exist.
On the other hand, LON is a destination that people want to go to. I do not think of BA at LHR as a hub operator - the slots do not enable them to work the bank structure that true hub operators have. Instead they have a lot of flights going to London, with the major benefit of being able to connect these pax on for the additional revenue. I would say this is about 30% on average?
If BA became the LH type of operation then they could do in MAN what LH do in MUC. However keep in mind that the business demand for MAN is never going to be enough for a full network operation.
Also, if we compare the UK to Germany, BA has had a secondary carrier to contend with on both markets - bmi on shorthaul and Virgin on longhaul (now bmi also on longhaul) - LH have had the benefit of not having such major carriers restricting growth - thus being able to grow to wherever they want - and get all pax.
Also on low cost, the UK has had fierce competition from the likes of easyjet and Ryanair also snapping at their heals - whilst this doesn't impact on longhaul it does on shorthaul which doesn't help a carrier when trying to grow - hence I think their decision to not focus anything elsewhere.
And you should also compare the amount of other longhaul flights to MAN vs MUC - I don't know much about MUC, but if you consider MAN has ORD x2, JFK, EWR x2, ATL, MIA, BOS, PHL, IAD, MCO, LAS, YYZ, YVR etc it doesn't mean you can jump in and dominate!!
At the end of the day (and being ready for abuse) I think BA have done the right thing in staying away from MAN and focusing their longhaul efforts on LHR where the true demand is.
I think people forget how much more competitive the UK has been for many years versus the continent so don't think any useful comparisons exist.
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Why would SQ/CX wnat to do that Vuelo when they have just bought aircraft specially to operate non stop from SIN/HKG - JFK?
I think they are also prevented from routing over MAN by the various bilaterals.
I think they are also prevented from routing over MAN by the various bilaterals.
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Taken from Manchester Airport website
June Media Update
Airport Tops 22 Million Passengers Per Year
Airport Scoops Green Award
Airport’s Busiest Ever Day
Most Popular Routes Revealed
Airport Throughput Reaches 22 Million Passengers Per Year
This month sees passenger throughput reach 22 million passengers, just 14 months since the airport passed the 20 million passenger milestone. The launch of more new routes than ever before during 2004 is pushing the figure ever higher as more and more passengers choose to fly from Manchester because of increased choice in both low cost and long haul.
Airport Scoops Green Award
The airport is celebrating its success after winning the prestigious “Best Environmental Practice” category at the Northwest Business Environment Awards.
MA scooped the award for its “Carbon Management in Action” strategy that aims to reduce the airport’s carbon emissions and has already proved extremely effective to date – 10 per cent of electricity across the airport site now comes from renewable sources saving 4,300 tonnes of carbon dioxide a year.
Friday 27th May: The Airport’s Busiest Ever Operational Day
Figures from National Air Traffic Services (NATS) have revealed that Friday 27th May was the airport’s busiest ever-operational day, with 799 movements (take-offs and landings). The only day higher than this was the day of the UEFA Champions League final at Old Trafford, where the airport handled the arrival of thousands of Italian football supporters.
Most Popular Routes Revealed
The airport’s traffic statistics report for 2004 has revealed the most popular destinations for the 21 million passengers who flew out of Manchester during the year.
Most popular….
International destination (scheduled flights): Dublin (622,000 passengers)
Domestic destination (scheduled flights): London Heathrow (1,400,000 passengers)
International destination (charter flights): Tenerife (803,000 passengers)
Country (all flights): United States of America (1,291,765 passengers)
Terminal Passenger Statistics
May 2005
Passengers
% Change vs 2004
Domestic 288,480
6.37
Scheduled International 834,535
20.06
Charter
855,195
-4.34
Private / Miscellaneous
1,170
28.85
Total
1,979,389
7.02
Contacts:
Jennifer Walley (Senior Communications Manager) 0161 489 2705
Kerry Spink (Senior Press Officer) 0161 489 3446
Trevor Evers (Press Officer) 0161 489 2700
Jeanette Bate (PR Executive) 0161 489 2727
“Manchester Airport aims to be the airport of choice – internationally recognised by airlines and tour operators as the preferred partner in the development of their business.”
TEL: 0161 489 2700 FAX: 0161 489 2702 EMAIL: [email protected]
MANCHESTER AIRPORT...
The UK's Largest Regional Airport
100 Airlines Serving 200 Destinations
June Media Update
Airport Tops 22 Million Passengers Per Year
Airport Scoops Green Award
Airport’s Busiest Ever Day
Most Popular Routes Revealed
Airport Throughput Reaches 22 Million Passengers Per Year
This month sees passenger throughput reach 22 million passengers, just 14 months since the airport passed the 20 million passenger milestone. The launch of more new routes than ever before during 2004 is pushing the figure ever higher as more and more passengers choose to fly from Manchester because of increased choice in both low cost and long haul.
Airport Scoops Green Award
The airport is celebrating its success after winning the prestigious “Best Environmental Practice” category at the Northwest Business Environment Awards.
MA scooped the award for its “Carbon Management in Action” strategy that aims to reduce the airport’s carbon emissions and has already proved extremely effective to date – 10 per cent of electricity across the airport site now comes from renewable sources saving 4,300 tonnes of carbon dioxide a year.
Friday 27th May: The Airport’s Busiest Ever Operational Day
Figures from National Air Traffic Services (NATS) have revealed that Friday 27th May was the airport’s busiest ever-operational day, with 799 movements (take-offs and landings). The only day higher than this was the day of the UEFA Champions League final at Old Trafford, where the airport handled the arrival of thousands of Italian football supporters.
Most Popular Routes Revealed
The airport’s traffic statistics report for 2004 has revealed the most popular destinations for the 21 million passengers who flew out of Manchester during the year.
Most popular….
International destination (scheduled flights): Dublin (622,000 passengers)
Domestic destination (scheduled flights): London Heathrow (1,400,000 passengers)
International destination (charter flights): Tenerife (803,000 passengers)
Country (all flights): United States of America (1,291,765 passengers)
Terminal Passenger Statistics
May 2005
Passengers
% Change vs 2004
Domestic 288,480
6.37
Scheduled International 834,535
20.06
Charter
855,195
-4.34
Private / Miscellaneous
1,170
28.85
Total
1,979,389
7.02
Contacts:
Jennifer Walley (Senior Communications Manager) 0161 489 2705
Kerry Spink (Senior Press Officer) 0161 489 3446
Trevor Evers (Press Officer) 0161 489 2700
Jeanette Bate (PR Executive) 0161 489 2727
“Manchester Airport aims to be the airport of choice – internationally recognised by airlines and tour operators as the preferred partner in the development of their business.”
TEL: 0161 489 2700 FAX: 0161 489 2702 EMAIL: [email protected]
MANCHESTER AIRPORT...
The UK's Largest Regional Airport
100 Airlines Serving 200 Destinations
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Winter schedules, better to operate a reduced service with a fantastic load factor plus high yield and make plenty of money than operate a service where you struggle to fill at cheap fares
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Jet2 winter program
Initial... Jet2 have only released some of their winter program, the wording is 'Spain' on sale. I was told that the full winter program will be released over the course of a couple of weeks to safeguard their website from crashing.
I don't think its rocket science that the majority of new flights will be from LBA, because Manchester is still a new base and really Jet2 are still toe testing. I'm sure PM will announce new flights from MAN in good time for next summer, perhaps a little juggling will take place with those none preformers!
I don't think its rocket science that the majority of new flights will be from LBA, because Manchester is still a new base and really Jet2 are still toe testing. I'm sure PM will announce new flights from MAN in good time for next summer, perhaps a little juggling will take place with those none preformers!
Hope I havn't rattled any cages or let the cat out of the bag saying this
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Suggesting the meeting was about one of Peel Holding's other airports, namely DSA or MME? Suppose they'll need somewhere to put some B737s if they go ahead and pull the dud routes at MAN.
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