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If AB don't seem to be doing so well, how do HLX seem to be doing on STR and CGN. BA reduced to single daily, so guess the competition is tough with not a huge demand for the route?
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From MAplc website today
Manchester Airport Set For Expansion As Passenger Numbers Continue To Soar
Work has begun on a multi-million pound development scheme to increase the capacity of Manchester Airport by 11 million passengers a year, as passenger numbers continue to soar.
This week, Manchester achieved 22 million passengers a year, just 14 months after it celebrated the 20 million mark. The airport’s master plan identified this milestone as the point at which the airport needs to increase its capacity to be able to continue to grow.
Several major expansion projects are now being kick started. These include:
Terminal 2 Phase 2, the multi-million pound project that will see the capacity of Terminal 2 more than double from its current 7 million to 18 million passengers per year begins this month
The airport is also investing in the airfield, with additional apron capacity around Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 to provide the equivalent of six wide-body or 12 narrow-body aircraft stands
Over 49 new check-in desks across the airport. Twenty-two in Terminal 1, 15 in ‘The Station’ and 12 in Terminal 2.
By 2015, the number of passengers flying from Manchester is set to double to around 40 million every year – nine million more passengers than Gatwick Airport currently handles.
The Department for Transport has said it expects regional airports to grow more rapidly than those in the South East, where the air travel market is more mature. Regional airports like Manchester can flourish as airlines look to operate more point-to-point services using smaller aircraft. This is supported by statistics released earlier this year by the Civil Aviation Authority, which showed that in 2004, Manchester grew faster than both Heathrow and Gatwick.
John Spooner, managing director of Manchester Airport, said: “We have been planning the expansion announced today for a number of years.
“The airport has grown rapidly over that time, with more airlines launching more new routes than ever before.
“By investing in these major expansion projects within the current airport site, and making enhancements to the existing infrastructure, we will be able to accommodate the expected growth and provide a firm foundation for the future.”
Neil Fountain, Chief Executive of MIDAS, Manchester's Investment Agency, said: "This is excellent news for the entire Manchester city-region. Manchester Airport is one of the most important drivers for economic and business growth and this expansion programme will bring benefits far beyond the value of the capital investment involved, through direct job creation and the benefits of new routes.
"The investment will further increase the visibility and status of Manchester in the eyes of the international business community, showcasing the wide range of opportunities for business success and the locational advantages that Manchester offers to companies from around the globe."
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Work has begun on a multi-million pound development scheme to increase the capacity of Manchester Airport by 11 million passengers a year, as passenger numbers continue to soar.
This week, Manchester achieved 22 million passengers a year, just 14 months after it celebrated the 20 million mark. The airport’s master plan identified this milestone as the point at which the airport needs to increase its capacity to be able to continue to grow.
Several major expansion projects are now being kick started. These include:
Terminal 2 Phase 2, the multi-million pound project that will see the capacity of Terminal 2 more than double from its current 7 million to 18 million passengers per year begins this month
The airport is also investing in the airfield, with additional apron capacity around Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 to provide the equivalent of six wide-body or 12 narrow-body aircraft stands
Over 49 new check-in desks across the airport. Twenty-two in Terminal 1, 15 in ‘The Station’ and 12 in Terminal 2.
By 2015, the number of passengers flying from Manchester is set to double to around 40 million every year – nine million more passengers than Gatwick Airport currently handles.
The Department for Transport has said it expects regional airports to grow more rapidly than those in the South East, where the air travel market is more mature. Regional airports like Manchester can flourish as airlines look to operate more point-to-point services using smaller aircraft. This is supported by statistics released earlier this year by the Civil Aviation Authority, which showed that in 2004, Manchester grew faster than both Heathrow and Gatwick.
John Spooner, managing director of Manchester Airport, said: “We have been planning the expansion announced today for a number of years.
“The airport has grown rapidly over that time, with more airlines launching more new routes than ever before.
“By investing in these major expansion projects within the current airport site, and making enhancements to the existing infrastructure, we will be able to accommodate the expected growth and provide a firm foundation for the future.”
Neil Fountain, Chief Executive of MIDAS, Manchester's Investment Agency, said: "This is excellent news for the entire Manchester city-region. Manchester Airport is one of the most important drivers for economic and business growth and this expansion programme will bring benefits far beyond the value of the capital investment involved, through direct job creation and the benefits of new routes.
"The investment will further increase the visibility and status of Manchester in the eyes of the international business community, showcasing the wide range of opportunities for business success and the locational advantages that Manchester offers to companies from around the globe."
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BA to quit MAN !
So thats a daily rotation to JFK, shuttles to LGW and LHR. thats about all BA do if you discount the franchise carriers, so it wouldnt be a great loss. I really cant see BA ditching the shuttles to LHR.
T3 (BA) would be a superb LOCO terminal.
So thats a daily rotation to JFK, shuttles to LGW and LHR. thats about all BA do if you discount the franchise carriers, so it wouldnt be a great loss. I really cant see BA ditching the shuttles to LHR.
T3 (BA) would be a superb LOCO terminal.
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What does BA do at MAN now anyway? It flies some Cessna sized junk that people hate flying on and a 767 to JFK that's constantly rumoured within BA to be getting canned (though cabin worth seeing for nostalgia buffs). The BA policy of not expanding at MAN and instead being a parasite and using the shuttle to transit people at LHR undermines longhaul growth at MAN.
They should get serious or get out instead of just a long sad death.
They should get serious or get out instead of just a long sad death.
The JFK is a BA City Express service, as are the rest of the European flights.
BA operate LHR and LGW flights ONLY.
BA operate LHR and LGW flights ONLY.
BA is BA, whether it's citixpress or mainline.
If BACX and BA Mainline are the same, then why are they considered different companies?
BACX are a wholly owned subsidury of BA.
The terms and conditions of employment within BACX are poorer than Mainline, they operate an entirely different and IMO inferior fleet of aircraft and are not exactly a Full Service carrier.
You pay for what you get!!
GB are not owned by BA, they have a franchise contract only.
They also seem to have crew that enjoy their work and are not p1ssed off at their employer every 5 mins.
Hey, maybe that's the trick. Keep the staff happy and the company operates better! Doh, why didn't I think of that?
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If BACX are a wholly owned subsidiary of BA, then they are part of the BA group, just like BAMC is also a wholly owned subsidiary, this is obviously different to GB Airways, who are a franschise and not a wholly owned subsidiary.
Passengers do not differentiate between BA and BACX, they don't tell people they are "flying on BACX, which, by the way, is considered a different company to BA"and don't care whether they are considered deifferent companies or not. The internal demarcations within BA are exactly that, internal and mean nothing in the outside world. If BA operates BACX as a subsidiary so be it, but as it wholly owns, it's BA, like it the livery says.
Passengers do not differentiate between BA and BACX, they don't tell people they are "flying on BACX, which, by the way, is considered a different company to BA"and don't care whether they are considered deifferent companies or not. The internal demarcations within BA are exactly that, internal and mean nothing in the outside world. If BA operates BACX as a subsidiary so be it, but as it wholly owns, it's BA, like it the livery says.
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Autoglide actually BA and BACX DO Notify the customers of the difference.
All published timetables and information and BACX operated services ARE clearly marked as such with a legal note.
This may be a blue dot a star an aphabetical letter with comment below . BUT its always there !
Anyways of ALL the worlds leading airlines BA has been contracting in size every which way for some years as company policy.
South East Asia flights serve just a very few routes now (whilst Lufthansa and Air France expand to several Chinese destinations beyond Beijing/Shanghai !)
South America effectively handed to Iberia
West Africa down to Nigeria (Very profitable i admit and a weekly oil related service to Lunada !)
Middle Eastern services reduced with the closure of Saudi flights ( more to this than meets the eye me thinks !)
North Atlantic services staggant really.
No in house full freight just that odd Global Services in association with a large US carrier.
Missing a valuable revenue stream to Asia here for certain !|)
No regional long haul and ever strinking Gatwick operations.
BACX services cut right back to core flights at Birmingham/Manchester/Bristol.
When T5 opens and Bermuda 2 ripped up by Brussels then they will simply move to Heathrow lock stock and barrel.
They are however a stock holder driven company and PROFIT IS EVERYTHING so be it !
One thing is for sure they continue to be very exposed to the whimes of the economic cycles with such concentration on a very few markets.
Effectively a network to New York/Los Angeles/Texas/Toronto/Johannesburg/Sydney/Hong Kong/Tokyo oh and India with European feeders !
All published timetables and information and BACX operated services ARE clearly marked as such with a legal note.
This may be a blue dot a star an aphabetical letter with comment below . BUT its always there !
Anyways of ALL the worlds leading airlines BA has been contracting in size every which way for some years as company policy.
South East Asia flights serve just a very few routes now (whilst Lufthansa and Air France expand to several Chinese destinations beyond Beijing/Shanghai !)
South America effectively handed to Iberia
West Africa down to Nigeria (Very profitable i admit and a weekly oil related service to Lunada !)
Middle Eastern services reduced with the closure of Saudi flights ( more to this than meets the eye me thinks !)
North Atlantic services staggant really.
No in house full freight just that odd Global Services in association with a large US carrier.
Missing a valuable revenue stream to Asia here for certain !|)
No regional long haul and ever strinking Gatwick operations.
BACX services cut right back to core flights at Birmingham/Manchester/Bristol.
When T5 opens and Bermuda 2 ripped up by Brussels then they will simply move to Heathrow lock stock and barrel.
They are however a stock holder driven company and PROFIT IS EVERYTHING so be it !
One thing is for sure they continue to be very exposed to the whimes of the economic cycles with such concentration on a very few markets.
Effectively a network to New York/Los Angeles/Texas/Toronto/Johannesburg/Sydney/Hong Kong/Tokyo oh and India with European feeders !
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Tell you what, so i don't offend anyone else at BA by linking with another part of their own company, please read the first line of my original post as follows "BA CITIexpress fly some Cessna sized junk that people hate flying on" then carry on with the rest.
My point stands, BA have cut back so much at MAN it would make no difference if they weren't there anymore, and that is all of the BA operations at MAN, (disclaimer: no resposibility can be taken by me for anyone at 'Mainline' or 'Citiexpress' or any other internal empire of no consequence to the outside world, who feels traumatised by being linked another part of the same company).
My point stands, BA have cut back so much at MAN it would make no difference if they weren't there anymore, and that is all of the BA operations at MAN, (disclaimer: no resposibility can be taken by me for anyone at 'Mainline' or 'Citiexpress' or any other internal empire of no consequence to the outside world, who feels traumatised by being linked another part of the same company).
AUTOGLIDE, methinks you have got the wrong end of the stick.
Three years ago several hundred BA staff were made redundant only to see BACX set up and take their jobs.
What erks, is that during that traumatic (for those involved) time transfering from one, BA to the other, BACX was made very difficult by BA.
By then saying that they are the same company is a little tactless.
I don't expect you to really understand (you had to be there at the time) but please take it from me, several families broke up and many tears were shed during the cuts and the wounds take a long time to heel!
Three years ago several hundred BA staff were made redundant only to see BACX set up and take their jobs.
What erks, is that during that traumatic (for those involved) time transfering from one, BA to the other, BACX was made very difficult by BA.
By then saying that they are the same company is a little tactless.
I don't expect you to really understand (you had to be there at the time) but please take it from me, several families broke up and many tears were shed during the cuts and the wounds take a long time to heel!
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Rather than blaming BA for the lack of growth, isn't it fairer and more realistic to level criticism at the people who dream up these unrealistic passenger number targets in the first place. The fact that MAN will miss its 30m by 2005 target by a country mile has nothing to do with BA and everything to do with 30m being a pie in the sky number to start with. Presumably a number that had a lot to do with the case for the 2nd runway?
Disapointing then that Spooner has now come out with talk of 40m by 2015 - an equally preposterous number. Ten years from now, will the net be full of people still blaming BA when this one is missed?
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Disapointing then that Spooner has now come out with talk of 40m by 2015 - an equally preposterous number. Ten years from now, will the net be full of people still blaming BA when this one is missed?
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