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For your information and to add more fuel to the debate the April CAA Provisional Stats show:
NCL - CIA (EZY) 6315 pax - approx 105 pax per flight
Down from 7445 in March
NCL - BGY (FR) 6841 pax - approx 114 pax per flight
Up from 6716 in March
NCL - DUB (FR) 10746 pax - approx 89 pax per flight
Down from 11681 in March
MME - DUB (FR) 5519 pax - approx 92 pax per flight
Down from 6159 in March
MME - CIA (FR) 6025 pax - approx 100 pax per flight
Down from 6989 in March
NCL - CIA (EZY) 6315 pax - approx 105 pax per flight
Down from 7445 in March
NCL - BGY (FR) 6841 pax - approx 114 pax per flight
Up from 6716 in March
NCL - DUB (FR) 10746 pax - approx 89 pax per flight
Down from 11681 in March
MME - DUB (FR) 5519 pax - approx 92 pax per flight
Down from 6159 in March
MME - CIA (FR) 6025 pax - approx 100 pax per flight
Down from 6989 in March
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Excel or more correctly Air Atlanta (Europe) are doing a damn fine job of ruining the new TUI and TC flagship routes to POP and an even better job of destroying the existing route to SFB. Why on earth would anyone even dream of subbing such work out to such a pile of dross as AAI is beyond me. 
Any comment nclxl ?
Anyone else notice the apparent difficulty Excel's 734's have in even getting airborne out of NCL? Looks like an accident waiting to happen
Any comment nclxl ?
Anyone else notice the apparent difficulty Excel's 734's have in even getting airborne out of NCL? Looks like an accident waiting to happen
Proposed Ryanair expansion would not need a base. Schedules are:
FR1801 arrival from NYO at 1525 daily
FR1706 departure to TRF at 1550 daily
FR1705 arrival from TRF at 1935 daily
FR1802 departure to NYO at 2000 daily
Rest of operations (i.e. Dublin and Bergamo) stay the same.
FR1801 arrival from NYO at 1525 daily
FR1706 departure to TRF at 1550 daily
FR1705 arrival from TRF at 1935 daily
FR1802 departure to NYO at 2000 daily
Rest of operations (i.e. Dublin and Bergamo) stay the same.
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On the subject of FR there has been talk for a while regarding new services, but will routes like NYO and TRF work from the northeast? Why not concentrate on services to the sunspots and southern city break destinations, which have proved so popular with NCL pax? Places like like VCE, VLC, Seville, NAP etc. only time will tell what Ryan have planned, though I think it will aircraft rom their european bases passing through rather than a new base at NCL itself. Would there be enough space on the apron at night or more nightstopping aircraft, theres already 25+!
On the subject of XLA, yes they are having problems and will do until they base their actual own aircraft, as opposed to HH ones. Compare it with last summer when a 738 was present. Very few delays and no problems regarding weight etc. The 737-400's are struggling to places like ZTH, JSI etc with a full load and all baggage. As for XLA's attempts at long haul, what can be said? Hopeully the summer will improve, though as someone has already quite rightly said TUI and Thomas Cooks reputation is being tarnished through the delays and sub standard aircrat being used. Why they have signed contract again for next year is quite shocking.
On another forum theres a 'wish-list' of destinations rom NCL.
How about:
Madrid - Easy?
Faro - Easy?
Naples - Easy?
Venice/Valencia/Seville - Ryanair
Toulouse/LeHarve/Cork/Shannon - FlyBE
A year round SFB service again, it always proved so popular!
More variety in Summer/Winter sun, like croatia, northern africa, italy etc
Scheduled (daily or 3/4 times per week) services to LCA/ATH/MLA
Greater frequency to Canada, with the possibility of more destinations. (Westjet with 737's i they get goahead for long haul ops?)
More LONG HAUL!!!
More loco services to places such as KRK, WAW, Tallin
Increase in frequency to DUS, CPH and new services to the business centres of ZRH, FRA.
Not much to ask for is it and lets hope the airport team are working hard to secure these types of new services, they've certainly done well so far.
On the subject of XLA, yes they are having problems and will do until they base their actual own aircraft, as opposed to HH ones. Compare it with last summer when a 738 was present. Very few delays and no problems regarding weight etc. The 737-400's are struggling to places like ZTH, JSI etc with a full load and all baggage. As for XLA's attempts at long haul, what can be said? Hopeully the summer will improve, though as someone has already quite rightly said TUI and Thomas Cooks reputation is being tarnished through the delays and sub standard aircrat being used. Why they have signed contract again for next year is quite shocking.
On another forum theres a 'wish-list' of destinations rom NCL.
How about:
Madrid - Easy?
Faro - Easy?
Naples - Easy?
Venice/Valencia/Seville - Ryanair
Toulouse/LeHarve/Cork/Shannon - FlyBE
A year round SFB service again, it always proved so popular!
More variety in Summer/Winter sun, like croatia, northern africa, italy etc
Scheduled (daily or 3/4 times per week) services to LCA/ATH/MLA
Greater frequency to Canada, with the possibility of more destinations. (Westjet with 737's i they get goahead for long haul ops?)
More LONG HAUL!!!
More loco services to places such as KRK, WAW, Tallin
Increase in frequency to DUS, CPH and new services to the business centres of ZRH, FRA.
Not much to ask for is it and lets hope the airport team are working hard to secure these types of new services, they've certainly done well so far.
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re Ryanair. I haven't actually seen the Journal article about the NE base, couldn't find it on ICNewcastle.
My Bergamo comment is based on MOL's speech at the launch of the route.
My Bergamo comment is based on MOL's speech at the launch of the route.
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Just for the record on the night stoppers issue, whilst it is getting tight over night, we have on some nights 23 stoppers(listed below) with 26 stands available. This is tight as all we need is the transatlantic IT to go early and a tech a/c plus replacement and you only have one free stand! But normally 3 free stands!
6x EZY
2X EZE
2X BAL
2X TCX
2X XLA
1X SCY
1X MYT
2X BAW
1X KLM
1X DAT
1X BZH
1X JEM
1X EXS
6x EZY
2X EZE
2X BAL
2X TCX
2X XLA
1X SCY
1X MYT
2X BAW
1X KLM
1X DAT
1X BZH
1X JEM
1X EXS
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So where would you fit in the extra a/c if FR did decide to base some at NCL?
This strikes a chord with me because BRS is similarly chokka overnight and some think this is the reason why FR would ignore Lulsgate as a base.
This strikes a chord with me because BRS is similarly chokka overnight and some think this is the reason why FR would ignore Lulsgate as a base.
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As for long haul destinations from NCL, well that is fine and dandy so long as it can be done with twin engine a/c. I don't think having to close the runway for 20 minutes while the AOU clean it of grass and gravel following every 747 departure is an ideal situation, and it does highlight the practical limitations that the airport is up against with its expansion.
Rather bizarrely, the airport is also fighting a planning application to extend the car parking facilities at Callerton. It would seem that the authority would rather jeopardise the provision of parking places for the enormous expansion in pax numbers they wish to see (5.5m mentioned for this year) in preference of having a virtual monopoly on parking revenues. Given the airports record in getting work done on time (fuel farm being the last fine example), I doubt they will be able to provide the necessary spaces and if they are successful with their objections, then neither will anybody else. End result? Likely that pax will quickly tire of the farcical situation in the making and take their business south to MME.
Transwede,
I think you'll find that Excel are unlikely to base their 'own' aircraft here, as the company is now owned (about 40%) by AAE, and as such, we are likely to continue to have to endure the present situation with the HH crews and AAE subs on the long haul routes. It is a marked contrast to last summer when Excel were operating in their own right with the 738s and Canadian flight crews (OK, plus one Yank). The operation was a great deal smoother and altogether more professional.
Rather bizarrely, the airport is also fighting a planning application to extend the car parking facilities at Callerton. It would seem that the authority would rather jeopardise the provision of parking places for the enormous expansion in pax numbers they wish to see (5.5m mentioned for this year) in preference of having a virtual monopoly on parking revenues. Given the airports record in getting work done on time (fuel farm being the last fine example), I doubt they will be able to provide the necessary spaces and if they are successful with their objections, then neither will anybody else. End result? Likely that pax will quickly tire of the farcical situation in the making and take their business south to MME.
Transwede,
I think you'll find that Excel are unlikely to base their 'own' aircraft here, as the company is now owned (about 40%) by AAE, and as such, we are likely to continue to have to endure the present situation with the HH crews and AAE subs on the long haul routes. It is a marked contrast to last summer when Excel were operating in their own right with the 738s and Canadian flight crews (OK, plus one Yank). The operation was a great deal smoother and altogether more professional.
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Likely that pax will quickly tire of the farcical situation in the making and take their business south to MME.
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XLA LONG HAUL
Long haul for next year could easily be changed. if AAL (excel)
keep these delays up then i think thomson and thomas cook will lease an extra aircraft and do the the routes themselfs or maybe they will give the work back to EAF.
Didn't EAF loose some work to AAL as they were cheaper?
keep these delays up then i think thomson and thomas cook will lease an extra aircraft and do the the routes themselfs or maybe they will give the work back to EAF.
Didn't EAF loose some work to AAL as they were cheaper?
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New routes, acute lack of stands (though note only overnight !), only TWO ! airbridges & with ever more subcontracted workers a runway thats now tighter on sheduled maintenance tollerance / resurfacing than ever in it's history.
Seems to me that it's all too much too soon, not to mention the turkey's sorry Excel, and and the concern (based upon the proportion of current messages) is what the hell is to be FR's next move !
FR & other low cost carriers would do well to hold back on further commitment until the airport in general updates the remainder of it's facilities to the standard offered inside the terminal complex. Additionally I also believe that car parking is an issue, investment should have been made long ago into a suitably sited multi storey, and this in itself may also have freed up more space for a suitably designed drop off area, where at peak times it's gridlock and frayed tempers all round.
But there is a fundamental point in all of this, low cost is undoubtably a boon and very welcolme, but is it sustainable? and are the figures in terms of passenger volumes a little flattering? Pax numbers provided by an earlier message may look at first sight impressive, but they are probably indicating average load factors of c. 66% on extremely low yield.
Without the substantial improvements necessary in facilities, and a much more balanced portfolio of routes, with at least one major sheduled longhaul link to major Hub east - DXB is probably only one remotely feasible together with a scheduled link to the U.S. NCL is "flattering to decieve" and although there is nothing wrong in continuing to fantasise about ever more obscure short haul routes, it is actually achieving very little.
Seems to me that it's all too much too soon, not to mention the turkey's sorry Excel, and and the concern (based upon the proportion of current messages) is what the hell is to be FR's next move !
FR & other low cost carriers would do well to hold back on further commitment until the airport in general updates the remainder of it's facilities to the standard offered inside the terminal complex. Additionally I also believe that car parking is an issue, investment should have been made long ago into a suitably sited multi storey, and this in itself may also have freed up more space for a suitably designed drop off area, where at peak times it's gridlock and frayed tempers all round.
But there is a fundamental point in all of this, low cost is undoubtably a boon and very welcolme, but is it sustainable? and are the figures in terms of passenger volumes a little flattering? Pax numbers provided by an earlier message may look at first sight impressive, but they are probably indicating average load factors of c. 66% on extremely low yield.
Without the substantial improvements necessary in facilities, and a much more balanced portfolio of routes, with at least one major sheduled longhaul link to major Hub east - DXB is probably only one remotely feasible together with a scheduled link to the U.S. NCL is "flattering to decieve" and although there is nothing wrong in continuing to fantasise about ever more obscure short haul routes, it is actually achieving very little.
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Newcastle airport is making money, only just started to but it is. With Copenhaghen in the background for the long haul the future is bright, orange.
Plans to resurface the runway are in hand, airside ops been to Cardiff to learn from their experiences.
Plans to resurface the runway are in hand, airside ops been to Cardiff to learn from their experiences.
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Have we finished using up the leftover paint too? I can't believe how many times so far this year some of the stands (stand 7 stands proud as a monument to lack of foresight where the a/c now park virtually off the strengthened concrete section) have been repainted.
Glad the airport is making so much money they (or shall we blame the contractors?) can keep making expensive mistakes. Does this mean we can now expect working pass readers at the gates?
Glad the airport is making so much money they (or shall we blame the contractors?) can keep making expensive mistakes. Does this mean we can now expect working pass readers at the gates?