Doncaster/Finningley (Merged)
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Granted, but LBA does not have transatlantic routes whilst DSA at least has a runway capable of such flights.
So far as I am aware, no operator has yet announced that they plan to operate transatlantic routes from Finningley, have they?
Some of you chaps do seem to be taking a fair bit for granted, if you don't mind me saying so.
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No doubt that the first couple of years will be hard work for Robin Hood Donny Int, however, they are in a prime position to provide services as an expanding airport, whereas the likes of Leeds, Bumbleside and EMA are desperate to hang on to what they've got.
Leeds probably don't have a great deal to be concerned about, but EMA stand to lose a lot of freight traffic in the long term, and the current IT market that HUY serve so well could dissapear by the time next summers IT flights have been sorted out.
I dont have any interests in the area, but I am confident that Robin Hood will be successful not only to the detriment of their competitor airports, but will be innovative in a way that many regional airports have failed to be in the last 10 years.
Leeds probably don't have a great deal to be concerned about, but EMA stand to lose a lot of freight traffic in the long term, and the current IT market that HUY serve so well could dissapear by the time next summers IT flights have been sorted out.
I dont have any interests in the area, but I am confident that Robin Hood will be successful not only to the detriment of their competitor airports, but will be innovative in a way that many regional airports have failed to be in the last 10 years.
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and why is it that EMA will lose out pray tell-an established operator with proven experience, established facilities, and a runway long enough for all but 1% of ops against someone who might have cheapness going for it!
'prime position as an expanding airport'-how exactly does this give them an advantage?
how exactly is the money plowed in going to be repaid?
some of the posts about Finningley do display an amount of hope over common sense
and why is it that EMA will lose out pray tell-an established operator with proven experience, established facilities, and a runway long enough for all but 1% of ops against someone who might have cheapness going for it!
'prime position as an expanding airport'-how exactly does this give them an advantage?
how exactly is the money plowed in going to be repaid?
some of the posts about Finningley do display an amount of hope over common sense
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At present, there is a reduction scheduled for the HUY summer 2005 IT programme compared to this year, however, the only destination to go is Corfu. There is however a significant reduction in Palma flights, as outlined:
PALMA THU BY 737
PALMA SAT LTE 321
PALMA SAT JKK M83
PALMA SAT IWD 320
PALMA SUN BY 738
Down from 7 to 5 weekly departures, with Airtours reducing from 3 to 1 weekly flight. Thomson reducing capacity from 757 to 737 'W's from DSA.
MAHON FRI MYT 320
Down from 2 weekly departures this summer. Thomson having dropped their flight.
IBIZA FRI AEA 738
IBIZA SAT BY 738
TENERIFE TUE AEA 738
TENERIFE FRI AEA 738
LAS PALMAS SAT FUA 738
ARRECIFE THU AEA 738
FUERTEVENTURA WED IWD 320
New destination with First Choice.
ALICANTE SAT MYT 320
Down from 2 weekly departures this summer. Thomson having dropped their flight.
MALAGA SUN FUA 738
FARO THU FCA 752
HERAKLION TUE VIK M83
CORFU - no longer available, Thomson having dropped their successful flight
DALAMAN MON PGT 738
DALAMAN MON PGT 738
DALAMAN FRI PGT 738
BODRUM MON OHY M88
LARNACA WED HCY 738
BOURGAS TUE BGH TU5
BOURGAS SUN BGH 320
JERSEY SAT VG F50
JERSEY SAT VG F50
So the number of weekly flights has decreased from 30 to 26 weekly. The decrease is not that big and all in all, the same NUMBER of destinations will be available, however, this may just be the start of the decline, I sincerely hope not
Regards
Mike
PALMA THU BY 737
PALMA SAT LTE 321
PALMA SAT JKK M83
PALMA SAT IWD 320
PALMA SUN BY 738
Down from 7 to 5 weekly departures, with Airtours reducing from 3 to 1 weekly flight. Thomson reducing capacity from 757 to 737 'W's from DSA.
MAHON FRI MYT 320
Down from 2 weekly departures this summer. Thomson having dropped their flight.
IBIZA FRI AEA 738
IBIZA SAT BY 738
TENERIFE TUE AEA 738
TENERIFE FRI AEA 738
LAS PALMAS SAT FUA 738
ARRECIFE THU AEA 738
FUERTEVENTURA WED IWD 320
New destination with First Choice.
ALICANTE SAT MYT 320
Down from 2 weekly departures this summer. Thomson having dropped their flight.
MALAGA SUN FUA 738
FARO THU FCA 752
HERAKLION TUE VIK M83
CORFU - no longer available, Thomson having dropped their successful flight
DALAMAN MON PGT 738
DALAMAN MON PGT 738
DALAMAN FRI PGT 738
BODRUM MON OHY M88
LARNACA WED HCY 738
BOURGAS TUE BGH TU5
BOURGAS SUN BGH 320
JERSEY SAT VG F50
JERSEY SAT VG F50
So the number of weekly flights has decreased from 30 to 26 weekly. The decrease is not that big and all in all, the same NUMBER of destinations will be available, however, this may just be the start of the decline, I sincerely hope not
Regards
Mike
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transatlantic
Just as a matter of information,for those not familiar with the Doncaster area,viz aviation buffs from afar. Just 8 miles or so from the airport is the historic Mayflower area,home of William Bradford (one time governor of the American colony),and other Pilgrim Fathers. To the east of the airport,some 10 miles is the birthplace of John Wesley,founder of Methodism,very big in the US. His home still exists. I think when Americans catch on to this,we have an enormous potential for transatlantic tourism.
There are obviously other tourist attractions within easy reach of Doncaster,with excellent access. I think we are on a particular winner,as pax must be two way traffic to be really successful.
There are obviously other tourist attractions within easy reach of Doncaster,with excellent access. I think we are on a particular winner,as pax must be two way traffic to be really successful.
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Runway at DSA.
Physical dimensions, 2,891 x 61 m
TODA: 3,289 m
the route for the M18 is off J3. Either north or south of Rossington (decision due within a week or so) it will still come from J3. The cost of buildinga new junction is horrendous, and not necessary as J3 is perfect for either route.
2005 will be a year of 'bedding' in for the airport, as to expected. 2006 is when the growth will start ... just you see!
Physical dimensions, 2,891 x 61 m
TODA: 3,289 m
the route for the M18 is off J3. Either north or south of Rossington (decision due within a week or so) it will still come from J3. The cost of buildinga new junction is horrendous, and not necessary as J3 is perfect for either route.
2005 will be a year of 'bedding' in for the airport, as to expected. 2006 is when the growth will start ... just you see!
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There are currently issues with the worker council for TUI Nordic, where the 2x 738 are to be sourced from to add to the TUI UK fleet, (one for Doncaster and the other for Durham). If the issues are solved, there will be one 738 at Doncaster for the majority of the IT program of TUI UK.
No decision has been made as to the number of aicraft for the "scheduled" program of TUI UK out of Doncaster. It is expected to be either 3x 735's, or 2x 733's but the decision will not be made for at least 2 weeks.
No decision has been made as to the number of aicraft for the "scheduled" program of TUI UK out of Doncaster. It is expected to be either 3x 735's, or 2x 733's but the decision will not be made for at least 2 weeks.
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Don't see any difference between Bombardier's statement and yours - what's your problem? He said no decision had been taken and you've just confirmed that.
Seems to me we can't have any sort of meaningful discussion on DSA developments (of which I am fully in favour of by the way) without you shouting down anyone who dares to suggest it won't be an unreserved success.
loco
Seems to me we can't have any sort of meaningful discussion on DSA developments (of which I am fully in favour of by the way) without you shouting down anyone who dares to suggest it won't be an unreserved success.
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You're entitled to your opinion, and that is fine, however, I wont be too upset by someone who can't spot the difference between 3 and 4 aircraft ....
To spell it simply for you, bombardier suggested 3 737-500's, whereas the TRUTH (not my opinion as you seem to suggest) is that it is 4 737-500's ... by my reckoning, a whole spanking aircraft difference.
Then, he suggested 2 737-300, whereas it is 3 737-300 - need I go on.
I do not shout people down, I don't understand the underlying negativie feeling towards DSA from certain individuals I will be honest, but like I say, all are entitled to their own opinion, I welcome a good debate .... O so long as you realise I am always right in the end
To spell it simply for you, bombardier suggested 3 737-500's, whereas the TRUTH (not my opinion as you seem to suggest) is that it is 4 737-500's ... by my reckoning, a whole spanking aircraft difference.
Then, he suggested 2 737-300, whereas it is 3 737-300 - need I go on.
I do not shout people down, I don't understand the underlying negativie feeling towards DSA from certain individuals I will be honest, but like I say, all are entitled to their own opinion, I welcome a good debate .... O so long as you realise I am always right in the end
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I welcome a good debate .... O so long as you realise I am always right in the end
I have had it confirmed again from 2 independent sources that my statement is correct "as it stands at the moment". A lot may happen in the next few weeks, we need to wait and see. You may claim you have the truth, it just happens to be different from what I have heard. Fine, it's called an opinion, I have no conceptual problem with opinions. That doesn't make me anti or negative about Doncaster, I haven't seen anyone on this thread who is. As Going Loco rightly points out there seems to be no debate about this airport as long as someone doesn't agree with your point of view. Some of us merely want to understand the "real potential" of DSA, not the Peel marketing perception. It's success/failure has an impact on certain peoples livelihoods, as I am sure it does yours.
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Gareth,As I mentioned earlier,we have met. I respect your opinion,but I am afraid you are alienating people on the board by your attitude.
Please bear in mind that I know where you are coming from,and I get no pleasure in saying what I have. Less arrogance please,there's a good chap.
Please bear in mind that I know where you are coming from,and I get no pleasure in saying what I have. Less arrogance please,there's a good chap.
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Maybe I have an underlying aggressive tone, sorry it's my enthusiam. However, i would have thought a little light sarcasm and general making fun of myself would have been welcomed .... ? I'm not arrogant, just right! (joke people!)
To set the record straight, I have seen the contract and so am reasonably confident with what is in it.
GJK
Maybe I have an underlying aggressive tone, sorry it's my enthusiam. However, i would have thought a little light sarcasm and general making fun of myself would have been welcomed .... ? I'm not arrogant, just right! (joke people!)
To set the record straight, I have seen the contract and so am reasonably confident with what is in it.
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Monitorverticalspeed your source is not exactly the official guide to aircraft registrations. The only person I would believe in such a situation would be an "insider" not some rumours that are flying around.
