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Just to explain something to those people who don't really know the Doncaster area. The airport is 4 miles from Doncaster town,with excellent public transport. Some 8 miles from the airport is Pilgrim Father country (William Bradford,one time governor of the colony in New England) lived there,as did others. About 10 miles from the airport is the one time home of John Wesley,founder of Methodism. Methinks the americans may be interested.
Regarding the runway length,I am only quoting from people who know more than me. If I am wrong then I apologize.
It seems there is "some" interest in Doncaster Finningley. It has the 3rd. largest number of hits,after Manchester,and "will my travel go bust". I\'m not counting this thread,as no doubt the lead in is of interest in it\'s own right.
Regarding the runway length,I am only quoting from people who know more than me. If I am wrong then I apologize.
It seems there is "some" interest in Doncaster Finningley. It has the 3rd. largest number of hits,after Manchester,and "will my travel go bust". I\'m not counting this thread,as no doubt the lead in is of interest in it\'s own right.
"An American carrier at DSA"
I don't doubt the facts regarding the potential interest by Americans in visiting South Yorkshire but unfortunately you have to face facts.
Americans are by and large very badly educated from a geographical standpoint. They know roughly a handful of places in the UK (London, Stratford upon Avon, Edinburgh, and at a push York). Ask them to put any of them on a map and they might get two out of four, assuming they know roughly where London is!
Given that US Travel Agents are probably no more worldly wise than the general population, how exactly is an airline going to get them to book customers to Doncaster ("is it near London?????!!!!").
I think you will find that BHX and MAN already have the same problem, with the majority of T/A traffic being UK originating.
It's a great idea, but I just don't buy it in the short term anyway.
I don't doubt the facts regarding the potential interest by Americans in visiting South Yorkshire but unfortunately you have to face facts.
Americans are by and large very badly educated from a geographical standpoint. They know roughly a handful of places in the UK (London, Stratford upon Avon, Edinburgh, and at a push York). Ask them to put any of them on a map and they might get two out of four, assuming they know roughly where London is!
Given that US Travel Agents are probably no more worldly wise than the general population, how exactly is an airline going to get them to book customers to Doncaster ("is it near London?????!!!!").
I think you will find that BHX and MAN already have the same problem, with the majority of T/A traffic being UK originating.
It's a great idea, but I just don't buy it in the short term anyway.
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AT Notts,on the same theme. To an american,Doncaster is VERY close to London. 1 1/4 hours by train. We have had many messages from americans on the "finairweb" site expressing interest. Incidentally,Doncaster is signposted 75 miles south on the A1,not much less than halfway to London.
I would guess that our airport is pretty well know by now. The "Robin Hood" title certainly aroused some publicity,for whatever reason.
I would guess that our airport is pretty well know by now. The "Robin Hood" title certainly aroused some publicity,for whatever reason.
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Anyone interested in the Doncaster Finningley Airport (DSA),there is a link (no connection with Peel-owners of the airport). Just an independent forum,but you will find stats - http://www.finairweb.co.uk/welcome.htm
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I totally agree that there is a problem in educating the Americans into knowning the geography. However, it is an opportunity, and when an American carrier is looking at the UK market, which if you beleive this forum it would appear at least 2 are at the moment, then when assessing potential UK points, surely you must agree Doncaster will rate highly.
For example, bristol, got the CO service on the back of the US based industry around. DSA has the same wealth of incumbent travel, but also has everything outlined above. BRS doesn't, at least not to the same extent.
When a US carrier looks at the UK, they look at DSA and see a tick in every box. The point here is not about how DSA, or BRS, or MAN, or LPL or any other airport is percieved with the American public,it is about how DSA rates in comparison with other UK airports that the airlines are considering ... after all the airlines know that if it is not london they are going to struggle with the i/b pax. My very waffly point here is that DSA has a higher chance than other UK regionals of attracting I/B pax because of it's unique heritage.
For example, bristol, got the CO service on the back of the US based industry around. DSA has the same wealth of incumbent travel, but also has everything outlined above. BRS doesn't, at least not to the same extent.
When a US carrier looks at the UK, they look at DSA and see a tick in every box. The point here is not about how DSA, or BRS, or MAN, or LPL or any other airport is percieved with the American public,it is about how DSA rates in comparison with other UK airports that the airlines are considering ... after all the airlines know that if it is not london they are going to struggle with the i/b pax. My very waffly point here is that DSA has a higher chance than other UK regionals of attracting I/B pax because of it's unique heritage.
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The name is no more a mouthful than Leonardo da Vinci Rome Fuimincino Airport or Konrad Adenheur Cologne Bonn Airport, and with 27 destinations already announced in its first summer, it seems to be only helping raise the profile of the Doncaster Sheffield area by including the Robin Hood branding.
People will use probably use the location name (Doncaster Sheffield) as they do with Rome Fuimincino and Cologne Bonn, but the brand name (Robin Hood) adds value to the overseas market none the less.
In Cologne Bonn though, the name Bonn seems to be less used over time, e.g. easyjet rarely use it now. So over here it will be interesting to see which of Doncaster or Sheffield is more used by overseas travellers. Alternatively they could both be used as in Leeds Bradford, we'll have to wait and see.
I guess it might be fun to handle the first flight from Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield Airport to Don Quixote Madrid Ciudad Real Airport, also due to be opening soon!
People will use probably use the location name (Doncaster Sheffield) as they do with Rome Fuimincino and Cologne Bonn, but the brand name (Robin Hood) adds value to the overseas market none the less.
In Cologne Bonn though, the name Bonn seems to be less used over time, e.g. easyjet rarely use it now. So over here it will be interesting to see which of Doncaster or Sheffield is more used by overseas travellers. Alternatively they could both be used as in Leeds Bradford, we'll have to wait and see.
I guess it might be fun to handle the first flight from Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield Airport to Don Quixote Madrid Ciudad Real Airport, also due to be opening soon!
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sliding member,looks like a public inquiry over the route of the link road. Veryu great anger over choice of route. By the way,the runway IS being tested this weekend. Saw flights am today.
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I see its now listed on the met office TAF&METAR Northern section, it will be interesting to see how the traffic inter reacts with Manchester and Leeds traffic?
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The rumour re Virgin and an american airline is firming up folks.
As far as I know monitor,Excel are not flying from Doncaster. Just been on their web site and Doncaster is not listed. Are they part of TUI,or do you have other info.
As far as I know monitor,Excel are not flying from Doncaster. Just been on their web site and Doncaster is not listed. Are they part of TUI,or do you have other info.
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One of the contributors on "Finairweb",has shown Excel as flying from Doncaster,but I have been on the Excel site,and Doncaster is not listed. Not yet anyway.
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Just out of interest, does anybody know about the subsidence under the runway at Finningly.
Saw a report when doing some work for the airforce a while back, showing serious subsidence rings under the runway, and under the old gymnasium building.
This, I believe is all due to mining tunels under the airfield collapsing.
I wonder how this will be affected by heavy 747F's crunching in!!!
Saw a report when doing some work for the airforce a while back, showing serious subsidence rings under the runway, and under the old gymnasium building.
This, I believe is all due to mining tunels under the airfield collapsing.
I wonder how this will be affected by heavy 747F's crunching in!!!
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P-T. Shouldn't be mining subsidence. We left a pillar in. I worked on the coal face,albeit more than 1/2 mile down,right up to airport. We just were not allowed. Finningley is not that fa fom pea bogs and wetlands.
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JJ - CAP410B covers FISO operations at airfields. To complicate things slightly from Legs11's reply, FISOs can issue instructions to aircraft and vehicles on the manouvering area of an airfield, but only information to aircraft in flight of passed the hold of an active runway.
AFAIK Doncaster has never employed FISOs and are about to start full ATC operations (Tower/Appr) in Jan.
You can find CAP410B here :
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP410__PartB.pdf
In Niknak's previous post here was talking about Sheffield Airport (different place further South down the M1). This was full ATC, then FISO and is now an A/G service. FISOs however never provide any radar services.
AFAIK Doncaster has never employed FISOs and are about to start full ATC operations (Tower/Appr) in Jan.
You can find CAP410B here :
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP410__PartB.pdf
In Niknak's previous post here was talking about Sheffield Airport (different place further South down the M1). This was full ATC, then FISO and is now an A/G service. FISOs however never provide any radar services.