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When LBA last had a 738 based there summers 2000 & 2001 the crew where not MAN based they were all LBA based - i was one of them!!!! The diversions where mainly due to weather conditions at LBA, not operational reasons, i had a lot of them!!!! Even summer 2002 when there was a 757 based the was a few diversons.
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Yeah a lot of these diversions if I remember rightly were due to the -800 in BY use being unable to accept any tailwind component on 32 for aCAT3. Seems the Jet2 -300s don't suffer from this and neither do RYRs -200s. So maybe it's an -800 thing! I'd even go as far as to say it's operational because the 800 needs more runway for a CAT3 than LBA currently has due to it's CAA enforced displaced threshold.
Don't flame me it's just my thoughts, put me right if you know better.
Don't flame me it's just my thoughts, put me right if you know better.
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Summer 2000 & 2001
ric180880....
Have you got amnesia???
The 738 was definately only at Leeds for 1 summer not 2 as you pointed out.
I agree with HOODED entirely, which is why LBA needs a runway extension, or at least a starter extensions to takeaway the displaced threshold on 32.
Have you got amnesia???
The 738 was definately only at Leeds for 1 summer not 2 as you pointed out.
I agree with HOODED entirely, which is why LBA needs a runway extension, or at least a starter extensions to takeaway the displaced threshold on 32.
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Traditional charter flights to Med. resorts are a declining business at virtually every UK airport, as far as I can tell, due to competition from low-cost airlines and people preferring to organise their own holidays, rather than buying a package.
I would have thought LBA has done rather well in terms of flights since the growth of Jet2 from nothing to the present scale of operations, in such a short time.
Pity about the displaced threshold to Rwy32 and the transport links though. Methinks these are priorities to be sorted if the airport is to realise its true potential, which is surely with scheduled flights, not charters.
I would have thought LBA has done rather well in terms of flights since the growth of Jet2 from nothing to the present scale of operations, in such a short time.
Pity about the displaced threshold to Rwy32 and the transport links though. Methinks these are priorities to be sorted if the airport is to realise its true potential, which is surely with scheduled flights, not charters.
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738 at LBA for summer 2000 & 2001
Leodis...
No i have not got amnesia.
I worked for Britannia at LBA on the 738 - its was definatley there for TWO summers 2000 and 2001. Before that there was a Transaer A320 damped leased by Britannia for two summers.
If you dont believe me i'd be happy to show you my rosters.
Please check your facts before accusing me of amnesia.
Thank you
No i have not got amnesia.
I worked for Britannia at LBA on the 738 - its was definatley there for TWO summers 2000 and 2001. Before that there was a Transaer A320 damped leased by Britannia for two summers.
If you dont believe me i'd be happy to show you my rosters.
Please check your facts before accusing me of amnesia.
Thank you
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The BY -800s main problem at LBA for the first summer was wet runways and increased distances due to new aircraft type introduction into fleet The relative LDA's not lending themselves to greatly displaced thresholds etc. The second year of ops had most of the previous years problems ironed out, and -800's appear to operate now with the likes of AEA, FUA, RYR and PGT, without problems.
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Leeds Bradford - New York .. a possibility?
Sorry to change the subject.
The airport is now running a questionnaire based on views about the possibility of this new service.
Have the marketing teamed realised that with all the other developments recently in the uk they could be lined up next?
Post your views.
The airport is now running a questionnaire based on views about the possibility of this new service.
Have the marketing teamed realised that with all the other developments recently in the uk they could be lined up next?
Post your views.
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Just seen the "Would you fly to New York from LBA" on the LBIA website! I almost p***ed myself laughing.
The marketing muppets can't even get flights to Grecce or Cyprus and now they want to go for NYC no doubt becauce BRS and BFS secured flights there. One main difference there though...the marketing teams at BRS and BFS know how to do their jobs!!!
Just seen the "Would you fly to New York from LBA" on the LBIA website! I almost p***ed myself laughing.
The marketing muppets can't even get flights to Grecce or Cyprus and now they want to go for NYC no doubt becauce BRS and BFS secured flights there. One main difference there though...the marketing teams at BRS and BFS know how to do their jobs!!!
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The airport has found another way to make big money.
Besides the nail bar,I noticed a group of guys leaving the
"multi million pound Travelodge" and they seemed to be walking towards the airport probably to buy some food and down a few pints of Tetleys. They did not really look like pilots who who had become fed up with the likes of the Marriott. I know of at least one councillor who seemed to think flight crews would be rushing to stay in this "prestigious development".
Besides the nail bar,I noticed a group of guys leaving the
"multi million pound Travelodge" and they seemed to be walking towards the airport probably to buy some food and down a few pints of Tetleys. They did not really look like pilots who who had become fed up with the likes of the Marriott. I know of at least one councillor who seemed to think flight crews would be rushing to stay in this "prestigious development".
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Let's be fair with this, the concept of a direct US destination is nothing new to the LBA management. Various overtures were made a number of year ago to several US airlines namely Continental, United, American, and one other that I can't remember of the top of my head. Continental at the time were interested in the concept of operating small aircraft from UK regionals due mainly to the fact that CO at that time were not part of a major alliance and lacked the ability to operate into the lucrative LHR market due to the bilaterals. After a number of discussions etc between the airport and CO, LBA ended up being one of a list of 5 airports in the UK that they were considering (and I stress considering) operating from. The plan at the time was to use 737-700's in a majority C class layout into these airports. 9/11 came along and obviously ruined Continental's plans. Ironically, a few years later, 3 out of the 5 airports on the original Continental list have recently gained the service. The important thing to note is that LBA maintained a good relationship with Continental that still exists today (and for info, also with Emirates and PIA).
When the original discussions took place, this was obviously done at looking at the airports market/throughput/infrastructure at that particular time. The market is obviously much different now(even though the infrastructure may not be) but over a million Jet2 pax out of LBA is just one indication of the willingness of people to fly from their local airport. I believe that it is a very positive sign that the airport are beginning to adjust/redo their business case for a direct US link, not just because EDI, BRS and BFS got it. Something or nothing may come of it, there may be much more behind it than we know, we need to wait and see, but you've got to be in it to win it, as they say.
It's very easy to kick the airport in the orchestra stalls when it is being reactive to a situation which is often the case, but let's not diss them too much when they are being proactive.
When the original discussions took place, this was obviously done at looking at the airports market/throughput/infrastructure at that particular time. The market is obviously much different now(even though the infrastructure may not be) but over a million Jet2 pax out of LBA is just one indication of the willingness of people to fly from their local airport. I believe that it is a very positive sign that the airport are beginning to adjust/redo their business case for a direct US link, not just because EDI, BRS and BFS got it. Something or nothing may come of it, there may be much more behind it than we know, we need to wait and see, but you've got to be in it to win it, as they say.
It's very easy to kick the airport in the orchestra stalls when it is being reactive to a situation which is often the case, but let's not diss them too much when they are being proactive.
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New York - no reason why not?
Firstly ric180880...... I still think the 800 was just for one year, and an A320 for the other, but if you say 2 years that's okay. Perhaps it's me with the amnesia!
Back on the topic of flights to New York, The airport management is adamant that the LBA can sustain flights to the US. The wording of the questionaire is quite carefull to explore all options of getting a service up and running. For one, it was interesting to see the question "If the flight made a stop at another airport for an hour en route to pick up passengers, would you still use the service?" This question would answer any airlines doubts about using a relatively short runway for direct services.
I have always said that the greatest asset that the LBA has is the fact that "Leeds is the largest financial centre outside of London." (quote from the Leeds Yollow Pages p11 and Leeds City Centre Management bulletins.) The Americans are big on 'business' and I think that this will play a far greater roll in future years at LBA, than we have ever seen before.
The use of a service via another UK airport, whilst this is not ideal, it could be used to make a case for extending the runway and it would also be a huge icon to facilitate ferther development.
Sorry BMIFOX bud, but I have to agree with BombardierCR7 on this one.
Coincidentally BMIFOX..... didn't the LBA do a questionaire about London City not long ago, prior to BMI announcing their new service? Could be, that they've finally pulled their finger out?????
Back on the topic of flights to New York, The airport management is adamant that the LBA can sustain flights to the US. The wording of the questionaire is quite carefull to explore all options of getting a service up and running. For one, it was interesting to see the question "If the flight made a stop at another airport for an hour en route to pick up passengers, would you still use the service?" This question would answer any airlines doubts about using a relatively short runway for direct services.
I have always said that the greatest asset that the LBA has is the fact that "Leeds is the largest financial centre outside of London." (quote from the Leeds Yollow Pages p11 and Leeds City Centre Management bulletins.) The Americans are big on 'business' and I think that this will play a far greater roll in future years at LBA, than we have ever seen before.
The use of a service via another UK airport, whilst this is not ideal, it could be used to make a case for extending the runway and it would also be a huge icon to facilitate ferther development.
Sorry BMIFOX bud, but I have to agree with BombardierCR7 on this one.
Coincidentally BMIFOX..... didn't the LBA do a questionaire about London City not long ago, prior to BMI announcing their new service? Could be, that they've finally pulled their finger out?????
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Direct transatlantic flights from LBAs relatively short runway!
I think you'll find BRS has a shorter runway than LBA and CO are doing it from there are they not? On the day the current runway opened did a 747 not go direct to Canada? Runway 14 has a TODA of 10,000ft plus which is why some longer flights request this for operational reasons even with a slight tailwind.Granted 7380ft is not long but look at BHX, put down a couple of 500ft starter extensions and look what you can suddenly do.
I think you'll find BRS has a shorter runway than LBA and CO are doing it from there are they not? On the day the current runway opened did a 747 not go direct to Canada? Runway 14 has a TODA of 10,000ft plus which is why some longer flights request this for operational reasons even with a slight tailwind.Granted 7380ft is not long but look at BHX, put down a couple of 500ft starter extensions and look what you can suddenly do.
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The runway
HOODED
True, Bristol also has a 'relatively short runway', but it is clear that the Leeds perameters are a little on the marginal side because of the chevin. I don't doubt that the airport can have regular services across the pond and as the Leeds annual passenger figures continue to rise, this will make an atlantic service look more attractive.
It appears that there is something brewing behind the sceens, maybe the airport is on the verge of some sort of major development. The annual 'we're expanding again' sign looks like it isn't going to make an apperance this winter. Could it be that there is something bigger in the pipeline for next year, or are the resources all been put into marketing now?
True, Bristol also has a 'relatively short runway', but it is clear that the Leeds perameters are a little on the marginal side because of the chevin. I don't doubt that the airport can have regular services across the pond and as the Leeds annual passenger figures continue to rise, this will make an atlantic service look more attractive.
It appears that there is something brewing behind the sceens, maybe the airport is on the verge of some sort of major development. The annual 'we're expanding again' sign looks like it isn't going to make an apperance this winter. Could it be that there is something bigger in the pipeline for next year, or are the resources all been put into marketing now?
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Isn't the effect of the chevin on the 32 climb taken into account in the declared distances?
TODA - 14: 3,169m 32: 2,279m
compared to Bristol
TODA - 27: 3,016m 09: 2,071m
The constant sniping at the LBA marketing team is now getting a bit tedious. I think criticism of their efforts to attract and sustain IT business is justified, but that does not mean everything they do is worthy of ridicule. Feeder services into hubs form the majority of the long-haul scheduled services that operate outside of London and there is plenty of scope for Yorkshire to join the bandwagon. A CO feed into EWR is as good as anywhere to start seeing as they have shown some appetite for UK expansion and if LBA are being proactive in this regard, then good for them.
I think there is a real window of opportunity over the next year or so for LBA to kick-on and build on the success of the last 18 months. Bombardier is right that Jet2 have shown clearly the size of the market around LBA and the appetite of that market to use its local airport when the flights are available. Inevitably, other airlines are now looking to see if they can get a slice of the action and there's a real chance of converting some of this interest into new services if the airport play their cards right.
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TODA - 14: 3,169m 32: 2,279m
compared to Bristol
TODA - 27: 3,016m 09: 2,071m
The constant sniping at the LBA marketing team is now getting a bit tedious. I think criticism of their efforts to attract and sustain IT business is justified, but that does not mean everything they do is worthy of ridicule. Feeder services into hubs form the majority of the long-haul scheduled services that operate outside of London and there is plenty of scope for Yorkshire to join the bandwagon. A CO feed into EWR is as good as anywhere to start seeing as they have shown some appetite for UK expansion and if LBA are being proactive in this regard, then good for them.
I think there is a real window of opportunity over the next year or so for LBA to kick-on and build on the success of the last 18 months. Bombardier is right that Jet2 have shown clearly the size of the market around LBA and the appetite of that market to use its local airport when the flights are available. Inevitably, other airlines are now looking to see if they can get a slice of the action and there's a real chance of converting some of this interest into new services if the airport play their cards right.
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In July 2000 I flew on G-BYNC 737-800 and in Jul 2001 I flew on G-BYNB also a 737-800. On both occasions it was to Palma
So definitely the 737-800 was based for Both summers.
Incidently on the second occasion we were diverted to Manchester due to FOG (In August!)
So definitely the 737-800 was based for Both summers.
Incidently on the second occasion we were diverted to Manchester due to FOG (In August!)