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Privatisation for LBA?
It seems as though Leeds City Council, under its new leadership, may have seen some sense at last. The following is an exert from a letter to the Yorkshire Evening Post by Coun Leader Mark Harris (Lib Dem).
A study into the pros ans cons of privatisation should be completed sooner rather than later. The desicion might be against but at least a study will have been held. If the outcome is for privatisation (in one form or another) then will come the task of persuading the other four West Yorkshire Councils.
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Coun Atkinson also accuses me along with the Liberal Democrat and Conservative Groups of wanting "to sell the airport off to make a quick profit." Nothing could be further from the truth, I want to see decisions taken with the best interest of the airport taken into account, not stick to keeping it under public control at all costs as the Labour Group apparently want to.
Our group has called for a full investigation of all the different options on the future of the airport and we will take any decision based on the best interests of Leeds and the rest of the city region.
YEP 5/11/04
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PTH
A study into the pros ans cons of privatisation should be completed sooner rather than later. The desicion might be against but at least a study will have been held. If the outcome is for privatisation (in one form or another) then will come the task of persuading the other four West Yorkshire Councils.
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Coun Atkinson also accuses me along with the Liberal Democrat and Conservative Groups of wanting "to sell the airport off to make a quick profit." Nothing could be further from the truth, I want to see decisions taken with the best interest of the airport taken into account, not stick to keeping it under public control at all costs as the Labour Group apparently want to.
Our group has called for a full investigation of all the different options on the future of the airport and we will take any decision based on the best interests of Leeds and the rest of the city region.
YEP 5/11/04
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PTH
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New Gatwick Service
Well it looks like POL1Ws theory that Jet2s main hub and expansion is now going to be from Manchester!!
Jet2 have announced their new 'route master' Leeds-Gatwick service will actually now operate from Manchester and not Leeds as previously expected.
This is a huge blow for Leeds Bradford, not least to the flying public who have backed Jet2 all the way to the bank. I sincerly hope that equal expansion will take place at Leeds soon with Jet2.
The flying public of Leeds/Bradford and West Yorkshire deserve better than this. If Jet2 cannot provide the services of which we all expect than I for one would welcome another Leeds loco.
Jet2s success has for the large part been brought by people choosing to use Leeds Bradford not Manchester. I welcome Jet2s expansion and I hope they do well, but not at the expence of Leeds.
Jet2 have announced their new 'route master' Leeds-Gatwick service will actually now operate from Manchester and not Leeds as previously expected.
This is a huge blow for Leeds Bradford, not least to the flying public who have backed Jet2 all the way to the bank. I sincerly hope that equal expansion will take place at Leeds soon with Jet2.
The flying public of Leeds/Bradford and West Yorkshire deserve better than this. If Jet2 cannot provide the services of which we all expect than I for one would welcome another Leeds loco.
Jet2s success has for the large part been brought by people choosing to use Leeds Bradford not Manchester. I welcome Jet2s expansion and I hope they do well, but not at the expence of Leeds.
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New Jet 2 Routes
I believe it is the slot conference over in the USA this weekend, so there is a good chance that some new routes could be announced shortly from LBA. On the other hand there maybe more from MAN too.
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Great news for Manchester - sorry to hear that it is such a negatiove blow for LBA though, the cities of Leeds and Bradford so desparately need the air links more than we do really.
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Question - Do you really think that this is possible now?
With the rate of Jet2 expansion at Manchester, I for one don't see a great deal happening now from Leeds.
I still think a Budapest service is going to be announced very shortly from Leeds, but is isn't exactly going to be a great supprise.
Jet2's PMs words that "Leeds is and will continue to be the Building block to ferther expansion" is basically a load of
The city of Leeds, the largest financial centre in the UK outside London.
With the rate of Jet2 expansion at Manchester, I for one don't see a great deal happening now from Leeds.
I still think a Budapest service is going to be announced very shortly from Leeds, but is isn't exactly going to be a great supprise.
Jet2's PMs words that "Leeds is and will continue to be the Building block to ferther expansion" is basically a load of
The city of Leeds, the largest financial centre in the UK outside London.
This really is appalling. After all of the rubbish that Jet2 have spouted about Leeds still being their true home, they are providing the 8th, 9th and 10th flights of the day between Manchester and Gatwick when Leeds Bradford has no service at all. There is demand for the route and I am aware of a number of people who have written to Jet2 to suggest so. The subterfuge with holding the Gatwick slots for the Leeds route has just added insult to injury.
I can only hope that their chickens come home to roost, BA put 737-400s back on all MAN-LGW flights, drop the fares and declare an unholy jihad on Jet2. They deserve nothing less after this type of behaviour.
Unfortunately, knowing BA, there probably is no reasonable prospect of them doing so.
I can only hope that their chickens come home to roost, BA put 737-400s back on all MAN-LGW flights, drop the fares and declare an unholy jihad on Jet2. They deserve nothing less after this type of behaviour.
Unfortunately, knowing BA, there probably is no reasonable prospect of them doing so.
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Find it very strange how jet2 have announced manchester to gatwick and not leeds/bradford. There is so much demand from the yorkshire region. Manchester already has Gatwick links so would of thought leeds was deffo in the running!
Guess the people of yorkshire will be treking over the pennines once again!
The city of Leeds is such a large buisness hub now and by far the financial capital of the north of england so to have an airport like it has is a joke!
The team at LBA really need to wake up because they are missing out and so are the people of yorkshire.
Guess the people of yorkshire will be treking over the pennines once again!
The city of Leeds is such a large buisness hub now and by far the financial capital of the north of england so to have an airport like it has is a joke!
The team at LBA really need to wake up because they are missing out and so are the people of yorkshire.
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Go for it Thomsonfly
I will certainly not be trecking over the pennines once again!
I would even use my pet hate Doncaster Sheffield before traveling to Manchester!
BMIFOX What do you make of all this??
The city of Leeds, the largest financial centre in the UK outside of London.
I would even use my pet hate Doncaster Sheffield before traveling to Manchester!
BMIFOX What do you make of all this??
The city of Leeds, the largest financial centre in the UK outside of London.
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Typical LBA, they do not care about the customers. All the management want to do is look after themselves. The local councils who own the airport are not clever enough to realise what is really going on.
BMI FOX you are the one with the finger on the pulse, what do you think?
I personally think that all the senior management should be advised to leave and a more proactive management team put in place. I know for certain that I could make LBA a better place for the people of Yorkshire, the shareholders, and the staff ( who are extremely hacked off).
BMI FOX you are the one with the finger on the pulse, what do you think?
I personally think that all the senior management should be advised to leave and a more proactive management team put in place. I know for certain that I could make LBA a better place for the people of Yorkshire, the shareholders, and the staff ( who are extremely hacked off).
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ILS 119.5 - believe it or not, this was Jet2's decision, not LBA's. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink and if they wanted to use the slots for MAN then what could the LBA team do about????
So tell us how would you run the place to make it better for the people of Yorkshire? We're all dying to know.
So tell us how would you run the place to make it better for the people of Yorkshire? We're all dying to know.
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If I told you about all my commercial knowledge and business sense then you could do it. Let's just say that I could. With my contacts and experience within the aviation world then it can be done, believe me.
I just can't believe what I'm reading here.
Jet2 have a presence at LBA that most other regional airports would give their eye teeth for. And yet, for daring to start services from Manchester, they're damned to high heaven. Oh the sheer impertinence!!! Dark mutterings of letting the public down, accusations that they're not providing the service "we expect of them", rather tasteless wishes for them to suffer a "jihad" at Manchester.
Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of this, the dozens and dozens of pages about LBA expansion or greek charter routes, is actually driven by resentment that MAN rather than Leeds is the major airport in the North of England?
Jet2 have a presence at LBA that most other regional airports would give their eye teeth for. And yet, for daring to start services from Manchester, they're damned to high heaven. Oh the sheer impertinence!!! Dark mutterings of letting the public down, accusations that they're not providing the service "we expect of them", rather tasteless wishes for them to suffer a "jihad" at Manchester.
Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of this, the dozens and dozens of pages about LBA expansion or greek charter routes, is actually driven by resentment that MAN rather than Leeds is the major airport in the North of England?
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Yes- I agree. I think those passionate LBA supporters need to cool off a bit, especially with comments like that.
Jet 2 have done wonders for LBA and will in the future. As has been said, there are many larger airports than Leeds that would give their right arm for what LBA has got.
Lets wait and see what the Slot conference in Boston brings next week. So what, Gatwick may be done from Manchester. I'd rather go to Budapest or Berlin, Rome or Cologne. Anywhere is better than rip off London.!
Jet 2 have done wonders for LBA and will in the future. As has been said, there are many larger airports than Leeds that would give their right arm for what LBA has got.
Lets wait and see what the Slot conference in Boston brings next week. So what, Gatwick may be done from Manchester. I'd rather go to Budapest or Berlin, Rome or Cologne. Anywhere is better than rip off London.!
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Andy S and GrahamK,
With respect, I think you have mis-read the context of the word "jihad" as used by Flightrider.
He suggested that BA may drop their fares in response to Jet2 competing with them on the LGW run and though their stronger general market position, deeper pockets and interlining capability etc etc and the route might prove unviable for Jet2. Please don't start a discussion about the legalities of this, we all know it happens in reality.
It was not suggesting that Yorkshire residents are about to revolt and stop using Jet2 at LBA. I think some of the upset stems from the deceit of having the slots for LBA-LGW and MAN-BOH then performing a quick two-step and ending up with MAN-LGW.
Maybe we have been anticipating an LGW route too keenly so we are now feeling disappointed. There is no suggestion Yorkshire folk are about to stop using Jet2 and you are correct to say that LBA has been fortunate to gain so many services from Jet2.
MAN has been, is and will be the major airport for the North of England. However, we still want LBA to reach its potential and provide the level of services demanded by the residents of W. Yorks and we don't think it is there yet.
The lack of services to LGW, Germany, major charter destinations etc are those areas that we feel are the main discrepancies and can be most realistically addressed.
PTH
With respect, I think you have mis-read the context of the word "jihad" as used by Flightrider.
He suggested that BA may drop their fares in response to Jet2 competing with them on the LGW run and though their stronger general market position, deeper pockets and interlining capability etc etc and the route might prove unviable for Jet2. Please don't start a discussion about the legalities of this, we all know it happens in reality.
It was not suggesting that Yorkshire residents are about to revolt and stop using Jet2 at LBA. I think some of the upset stems from the deceit of having the slots for LBA-LGW and MAN-BOH then performing a quick two-step and ending up with MAN-LGW.
Maybe we have been anticipating an LGW route too keenly so we are now feeling disappointed. There is no suggestion Yorkshire folk are about to stop using Jet2 and you are correct to say that LBA has been fortunate to gain so many services from Jet2.
MAN has been, is and will be the major airport for the North of England. However, we still want LBA to reach its potential and provide the level of services demanded by the residents of W. Yorks and we don't think it is there yet.
The lack of services to LGW, Germany, major charter destinations etc are those areas that we feel are the main discrepancies and can be most realistically addressed.
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Well said Andy_s and PTH needs tarmac.
Jet 2 have done wonders for Leeds people could continue to back them, if they announce a Gatwick service from Leeds, which hopefully they will at some point maybe that will stop the complaining.
Jet 2 have done wonders for Leeds people could continue to back them, if they announce a Gatwick service from Leeds, which hopefully they will at some point maybe that will stop the complaining.
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to quote myself
The people of Leeds/Bradford and West Yorkshire have backed Jet2 all the way to the bank
I just don't understand, when Manchester already has good London airlinks, why the new service should go to them.
The city of Leeds, the largest financial centre in the UK outside of London
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I have posted this before but it is quite interesting.
UK Cities Population
London 7,074,265
Birmingham 1,020,589
Leeds 726,939
Glasgow 616,430
Sheffield 530,375
Bradford 483,422
Liverpool 467,995
Edinburgh 448,850
Manchester 430,818
Bristol 399,633
UK Cities Population
London 7,074,265
Birmingham 1,020,589
Leeds 726,939
Glasgow 616,430
Sheffield 530,375
Bradford 483,422
Liverpool 467,995
Edinburgh 448,850
Manchester 430,818
Bristol 399,633
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wawkrk - thanks for the figures, I'd not realised that the population of MAN was so low. It just shows that a Yorkshire (LBA or one of the other airfields) to London service could be a viable prospect and it surprises me that still no airline flys the route.
I used to work at cityflyer and remember the days of a LBA - LGW route on the old Shorts 360.
Gaz
I used to work at cityflyer and remember the days of a LBA - LGW route on the old Shorts 360.
Gaz