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I missed the fact about the lower number of weekends this August compared to 2003 and that will have had a big effect. July and September should receive a boost for the same reason, probably more so for July as I assume the schools went back last week.
I should point out the more positive angle that August was LBA’s second busiest month of all time. For the year, including August, there have been 1,554,228 passengers compared to 1,327,023 in 2003 and we still have the busy months of September and October to come.
If anything it’s been Murcia that’s been a surprise to me, though I know relatively little about the area. The proximity to ALC might look like a problem but in July more people went to MJV with Jet2 than to ALC (or BCN). A scan of the Low Fare finder suggests MJV is priced a little lower than ALC but it’s clearly doing far better than BGO last year.
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Do you have any solid data on where passengers at LBA come from? Without this I don’t see how you can support your statements. Some ought to exist as it’s a fundamental thing for the airport to know in order to target advertising…. OK maybe there isn’t any, but there should.
Just from looking at a map I would say the following. We know that passengers go to MAN from the entire north of England. Closest to DSA are Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield. Most people from here would go to MAN or EMA anyway not LBA. Folks from Leeds, Bradford, Harrogate and York are most likely to use LBA and MAN, but we know many travelers for LCC’s will travel a couple of hours to EMA or LPL given the right price. At least LBA is grabbing this market sector back via Jet2.
So, how many people from the middle ground cities of Huddersfield and Wakefield will choose DSA as opposed to LBA that wouldn’t take MAN over both of them anyway? I know there will always be exceptions if you live in Leeds next to Junction x of the M62 and you say it’s easier to get to MAN (or DSA) than LBA but I think that’s dependent on the time of day you need to travel.
I think it’s far too early to say that DSA will take large numbers of passengers from LBA. The IT range on offer at DSA is (potentially) better than LBA but will be duplicated fully at MAN so surely that’s where the effect will be felt most.
The presence of Jet2 on the AMS route had no effect on KLC figures, in fact many months KLC recorded year on year rises, so joining bmi to CDG is probably going to be similar.
There is only one reliable method to find out what IT programme LBA has for any given summer – wait until the 1st May and look at teletext! The fact that BAL keep filling a B767 for out of season IT flights says that people do want to fly from LBA. I think it’s down to the LBA management to drag in the operators and overly relying on My Travel and TUI to the run of the mill Spanish destinations just hasn’t done the job. Time to be more creative, just like NCL and EMA.
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I missed the fact about the lower number of weekends this August compared to 2003 and that will have had a big effect. July and September should receive a boost for the same reason, probably more so for July as I assume the schools went back last week.
I should point out the more positive angle that August was LBA’s second busiest month of all time. For the year, including August, there have been 1,554,228 passengers compared to 1,327,023 in 2003 and we still have the busy months of September and October to come.
If anything it’s been Murcia that’s been a surprise to me, though I know relatively little about the area. The proximity to ALC might look like a problem but in July more people went to MJV with Jet2 than to ALC (or BCN). A scan of the Low Fare finder suggests MJV is priced a little lower than ALC but it’s clearly doing far better than BGO last year.
KAT TOO
Do you have any solid data on where passengers at LBA come from? Without this I don’t see how you can support your statements. Some ought to exist as it’s a fundamental thing for the airport to know in order to target advertising…. OK maybe there isn’t any, but there should.
Just from looking at a map I would say the following. We know that passengers go to MAN from the entire north of England. Closest to DSA are Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield. Most people from here would go to MAN or EMA anyway not LBA. Folks from Leeds, Bradford, Harrogate and York are most likely to use LBA and MAN, but we know many travelers for LCC’s will travel a couple of hours to EMA or LPL given the right price. At least LBA is grabbing this market sector back via Jet2.
So, how many people from the middle ground cities of Huddersfield and Wakefield will choose DSA as opposed to LBA that wouldn’t take MAN over both of them anyway? I know there will always be exceptions if you live in Leeds next to Junction x of the M62 and you say it’s easier to get to MAN (or DSA) than LBA but I think that’s dependent on the time of day you need to travel.
I think it’s far too early to say that DSA will take large numbers of passengers from LBA. The IT range on offer at DSA is (potentially) better than LBA but will be duplicated fully at MAN so surely that’s where the effect will be felt most.
The presence of Jet2 on the AMS route had no effect on KLC figures, in fact many months KLC recorded year on year rises, so joining bmi to CDG is probably going to be similar.
There is only one reliable method to find out what IT programme LBA has for any given summer – wait until the 1st May and look at teletext! The fact that BAL keep filling a B767 for out of season IT flights says that people do want to fly from LBA. I think it’s down to the LBA management to drag in the operators and overly relying on My Travel and TUI to the run of the mill Spanish destinations just hasn’t done the job. Time to be more creative, just like NCL and EMA.
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The problem of the reduction in flights from LBA is the problems at MYT, its nothing to worry about as we will get a sub chartered plane and who cares if we have lost a few flights, were still gaining more flights than losing flights.
LBA is in a very healthy position, JET2 coming into the airport has to of been one of the best things that have ever happened.
LBA is in a very healthy position, JET2 coming into the airport has to of been one of the best things that have ever happened.
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You and i have been around for a long time and we both know our game. All the airports North of Luton that have big pax number have big IT programs and Leeds doesn't, i only wish that it did!
Nearly ever time i or anyone i know look to buy an inclusive package holiday be Med, Mountains & Lakes or skiing you nearly always end up with a `deal` from Manchester. If you can get the same package(and its not often) from Leeds, then the supplements can add £200.00 for a family of four, which will more than pay for the car parking at Manchester.
Remember that we are (on this fourm) are `expert` travellers, but most still turn up to an agent and say "what have got for the second week in June" and Manchester will nearly always come out cheaper. Doncaster will not stop leakage to Manchester, it may pull some of that leakage in its direction.
The most price sensitive market remains low cost, Jet2 may brand its self as " Yorkshires very own airline" but whay does that mean? As i said they have done an excellent job at Leeds and full credit to them, but they have had a following wind, let me explain!
Before Jet2 turned up a couple of years back, the only Loco you could use if you lived in this region was either down to NEMA or LPL or up to Newcastle. NEMA is 90 miles and 2 hours LPL a tad shorter, Jet2 saw that and the catchment area and are moving what a million a year? A lot more than that travel to MAN from this region
If we fast forward to Summer 05 and look at the choices, we have not only the ones above (NEMA,LPL,NEW) but also Teesside and Doncaster with loco. If you live in York or Wakefield area, then next year you have a lot more options and Jet2 are unlikely to be the cheapest, and please don't say price isn't everything, because for many its everything, after all as last weeks Yougov poll showed, why would anyone out of choice choose Ryanair and they are cheap.
Sure Leeds will continue to grow but i think (next Summer) will not be double digit and Jet2 needs to avoid having all its eggs in one basket, we might have global warming but doesn't mean that Leeds will never,ever, get snowclosed for days on end...it has happened before, it as never happened at Manchester, Teesside,Liverpool and won't at Doncaster
And that all down to your 682FT
Right, must dash, flight to catch from...yep Manchester
Nearly ever time i or anyone i know look to buy an inclusive package holiday be Med, Mountains & Lakes or skiing you nearly always end up with a `deal` from Manchester. If you can get the same package(and its not often) from Leeds, then the supplements can add £200.00 for a family of four, which will more than pay for the car parking at Manchester.
Remember that we are (on this fourm) are `expert` travellers, but most still turn up to an agent and say "what have got for the second week in June" and Manchester will nearly always come out cheaper. Doncaster will not stop leakage to Manchester, it may pull some of that leakage in its direction.
The most price sensitive market remains low cost, Jet2 may brand its self as " Yorkshires very own airline" but whay does that mean? As i said they have done an excellent job at Leeds and full credit to them, but they have had a following wind, let me explain!
Before Jet2 turned up a couple of years back, the only Loco you could use if you lived in this region was either down to NEMA or LPL or up to Newcastle. NEMA is 90 miles and 2 hours LPL a tad shorter, Jet2 saw that and the catchment area and are moving what a million a year? A lot more than that travel to MAN from this region
If we fast forward to Summer 05 and look at the choices, we have not only the ones above (NEMA,LPL,NEW) but also Teesside and Doncaster with loco. If you live in York or Wakefield area, then next year you have a lot more options and Jet2 are unlikely to be the cheapest, and please don't say price isn't everything, because for many its everything, after all as last weeks Yougov poll showed, why would anyone out of choice choose Ryanair and they are cheap.
Sure Leeds will continue to grow but i think (next Summer) will not be double digit and Jet2 needs to avoid having all its eggs in one basket, we might have global warming but doesn't mean that Leeds will never,ever, get snowclosed for days on end...it has happened before, it as never happened at Manchester, Teesside,Liverpool and won't at Doncaster
And that all down to your 682FT
Right, must dash, flight to catch from...yep Manchester
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Snow closed?????
KAT TOO....
You have not done your research here have you?
I Don't even need to research to know that Newcastle and Teesside have been snow-closed before for a substantial amount of time. Mentioning London Luton airport even Luton was snow-closed a couple of years since. Easyjet went ballistic and wanted to fine London Luton airport, having cancelled at least a whole days worth of flights.
Leeds has had one occasion that I can remember when it had been closed for more than 24 hours, the snow had been falling as wet snow. After multiple sweaps of the runway the serface started to become compacted, this followed by the falling of dry snow led to the freezing of the previous compacted wet snow. This is most unusual in this country. Normally snow in this contry just falls as wet snow followed by a thaw, not followed by dry snow.
So a combination of bad luck and maybe poor planning, the weather got the better of them. With DSA only having a token amount of flights to start with, DSA even if Peel can afford all the very latest snow clearing equiptment, I doubt that they will be able to support enough staff to operate such a large scale operation. This unless they're going to hire the cleaners to do the work!
Leeds' only 682 AMSL, not exactly a great hight is it, maybe by British standards but thats all?
You have not done your research here have you?
I Don't even need to research to know that Newcastle and Teesside have been snow-closed before for a substantial amount of time. Mentioning London Luton airport even Luton was snow-closed a couple of years since. Easyjet went ballistic and wanted to fine London Luton airport, having cancelled at least a whole days worth of flights.
Leeds has had one occasion that I can remember when it had been closed for more than 24 hours, the snow had been falling as wet snow. After multiple sweaps of the runway the serface started to become compacted, this followed by the falling of dry snow led to the freezing of the previous compacted wet snow. This is most unusual in this country. Normally snow in this contry just falls as wet snow followed by a thaw, not followed by dry snow.
So a combination of bad luck and maybe poor planning, the weather got the better of them. With DSA only having a token amount of flights to start with, DSA even if Peel can afford all the very latest snow clearing equiptment, I doubt that they will be able to support enough staff to operate such a large scale operation. This unless they're going to hire the cleaners to do the work!
Leeds' only 682 AMSL, not exactly a great hight is it, maybe by British standards but thats all?
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On the bright side??
Jet2.com boss PM announced today he is to start up flights next summer to the island of Ibiza in spain.
The announcement came prematurely today, when TUI Britannia flights scheduled to depart LBA at 0700 destination IBZ, was delayed more than seven hours because of a tech problem.
TUI Britannia decided that they could not bring another aircraft into Leeds for their stranded passengers. A decision was then taken by TUI, to bus the passengers to Manchester and catch a flight from there. After waiting upto an hour for busses to arrive from Manchester, the passengers finally left LBA to catch their flight from Manchester.
Mr PM was only too pleased to apologise to the passengers on behalf of TUI and invited their passengers to travel with JET2.com next summer.
The bottom line is..........
If you DON'T GO(TUI) Ibiza, then WE WILL(JET2) Ibiza
The announcement came prematurely today, when TUI Britannia flights scheduled to depart LBA at 0700 destination IBZ, was delayed more than seven hours because of a tech problem.
TUI Britannia decided that they could not bring another aircraft into Leeds for their stranded passengers. A decision was then taken by TUI, to bus the passengers to Manchester and catch a flight from there. After waiting upto an hour for busses to arrive from Manchester, the passengers finally left LBA to catch their flight from Manchester.
Mr PM was only too pleased to apologise to the passengers on behalf of TUI and invited their passengers to travel with JET2.com next summer.
The bottom line is..........
If you DON'T GO(TUI) Ibiza, then WE WILL(JET2) Ibiza
It's interesting to note how the locos (at LBA at any rate) are gradually worming their way into the TOs traditional destinations.
A colleague of mine yesterday asked me if Jet2 had any plans to operate to Tenerife from LBA. My answer was not with the current fleet as they don't have the range but who knows what the future holds. Planetair did it as a flight only so hopefully someone else can, hopefully with greater longevity.
In the meantime, good to have Ibiza as an additional destination.
A colleague of mine yesterday asked me if Jet2 had any plans to operate to Tenerife from LBA. My answer was not with the current fleet as they don't have the range but who knows what the future holds. Planetair did it as a flight only so hopefully someone else can, hopefully with greater longevity.
In the meantime, good to have Ibiza as an additional destination.
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Jet2.com hits million-mark
It just proves that Jet2 were right in their belief that they could be successful at Leeds.Their decision to start a LO CO operation has been justified.Lets hope that it not long before their reach the 2 million mark.With further route expansion more aircraft
(where will they park them) then the 2 million should be achieved by late 2005.
So once again congratulations to JET2.
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Some more changes to the charters for 04/05
The winter Chambery has been extended to operate into April this year...
but for summer the new Ibiza flight for this year seems to be missing.. as do four charters to Palma.
Looks as though the Jet2 Ibiza will be needed.
The winter Chambery has been extended to operate into April this year...
but for summer the new Ibiza flight for this year seems to be missing.. as do four charters to Palma.
Looks as though the Jet2 Ibiza will be needed.
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Come on you lot, tell me. Where is 682ft measured from? If you know.
And the latest from LBA is that in order to save money the management refuse to provide full eye tests for VDU users within the company. This is against H & S Regulations, but again they are getting away with things and not advising the owning councils what they are doing. (breaking the law).
As soon as it becomes privatised the better.
And the latest from LBA is that in order to save money the management refuse to provide full eye tests for VDU users within the company. This is against H & S Regulations, but again they are getting away with things and not advising the owning councils what they are doing. (breaking the law).
As soon as it becomes privatised the better.
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Ta. Where is the highest point?
Sorry forgot to say.
A few years ago LBA said that SKI flights were not what they wanted. What have they got now? Less years ago the said that they did not want a "low cost operater", what have they got now?. I\'m sorry to say that after running a very successfull business and being employed by a major airline "where does the smalltime attitude come from". Is it me or am I missing something?
Sorry forgot to say.
A few years ago LBA said that SKI flights were not what they wanted. What have they got now? Less years ago the said that they did not want a "low cost operater", what have they got now?. I\'m sorry to say that after running a very successfull business and being employed by a major airline "where does the smalltime attitude come from". Is it me or am I missing something?
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Spotted this on the Private Flying forum - if true, 27/09 to be withdrawn from use to increase the apron size.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=144314
A permanent decommissioning of the 'short' coupled with a splash of concrete laid on the grass islands between Bravo, Charlie and Alpha3 gives a potentially huge increase in apronage from about Stand 7/8 eastwards.
Wonder what's bubbling away at LBA HQ to lead to this course of action? I suppose all 18 stands will be occupied o/night this winter....
9 x Jet2
6 x bmi
2 x Eastern (share stand 1)
1 x KLM
1 x BY
..but with no based aircraft for MyTravel next summer, how much different is the summer going to be? Even if Jet2 said they wanted to drop in a few more, you could accomodate that with an overnight closure of 27/09, as per diversion nights, and reopen it for the GA lot during the day.
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=144314
A permanent decommissioning of the 'short' coupled with a splash of concrete laid on the grass islands between Bravo, Charlie and Alpha3 gives a potentially huge increase in apronage from about Stand 7/8 eastwards.
Wonder what's bubbling away at LBA HQ to lead to this course of action? I suppose all 18 stands will be occupied o/night this winter....
9 x Jet2
6 x bmi
2 x Eastern (share stand 1)
1 x KLM
1 x BY
..but with no based aircraft for MyTravel next summer, how much different is the summer going to be? Even if Jet2 said they wanted to drop in a few more, you could accomodate that with an overnight closure of 27/09, as per diversion nights, and reopen it for the GA lot during the day.
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Ibiza route starts 29th May 05 by the looks of things on the low fare finder.. 5 weekly flights. Cant be bad!
Also there seems to be the possibility to book all the existing destinations for next year in the low fare thing aswell.
Why have they put them all on sale so soon?
Also there seems to be the possibility to book all the existing destinations for next year in the low fare thing aswell.
Why have they put them all on sale so soon?
