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DC10FAN.....Please read the Leeds Expansion opening thread.
.......but to answer your questions/comments, Doncasters main operator is now Thomsons. The TUI group which owns Thomsons and Britannia Airways announced last week that its UK business is suffering in decline and that cut backs are going to be made. The airline, Britannia Airways is to become ThomsonFly which is the Thomson version of a low cost airline.
The move by Jet2.com into Manchester is going to effect the IT business enormously, as low cost airlines already have else where in the country. Manchester airport has been desperate to attract new low cost business to counteract the move of passengers away from IT and subsequently away from Manchester.
Further more, if you live in West Yorkshire, before you rush out and book your summer holiday flying from your LOCAL airport in Doncaster.
(tut tut Thomsons referance your adds in the Leeds press)
Try a dummy run from home to DSA and then from home to LBA or MAN. I think you'll find the latter two the preffered option. One thing about an airport to which the only way of getting there is by using a motorway, when there are delays or closures due to accidents, basically your buggered. At least LBA has a few different ways to get to it.
.......but to answer your questions/comments, Doncasters main operator is now Thomsons. The TUI group which owns Thomsons and Britannia Airways announced last week that its UK business is suffering in decline and that cut backs are going to be made. The airline, Britannia Airways is to become ThomsonFly which is the Thomson version of a low cost airline.
The move by Jet2.com into Manchester is going to effect the IT business enormously, as low cost airlines already have else where in the country. Manchester airport has been desperate to attract new low cost business to counteract the move of passengers away from IT and subsequently away from Manchester.
Further more, if you live in West Yorkshire, before you rush out and book your summer holiday flying from your LOCAL airport in Doncaster.
(tut tut Thomsons referance your adds in the Leeds press)
Try a dummy run from home to DSA and then from home to LBA or MAN. I think you'll find the latter two the preffered option. One thing about an airport to which the only way of getting there is by using a motorway, when there are delays or closures due to accidents, basically your buggered. At least LBA has a few different ways to get to it.
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The passenger figures for September are now on the LBA Website.Total passengers for last month 242,976.
This makes it the second highest set of monthly figures.
Still suggesting that Jet2 made a wise decision in using LBA for
their low cost operations.
ILS32
This makes it the second highest set of monthly figures.
Still suggesting that Jet2 made a wise decision in using LBA for
their low cost operations.
ILS32
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access via public transport etc
It has always seemed to me that the biggest probem LBA has is easy access via car or public transport. As a previous correspondent from Halifax says,it is easier to get to Manchester,even though the distance is greater.
Not knocking LBA but there do seem to be more than the average diversions,through weather conditions than the norm.
Not knocking LBA but there do seem to be more than the average diversions,through weather conditions than the norm.
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Please check the CAA stats before you presume LBA has rather a lot of diversions.
Please also check the Leeds Expansion 2 opening thread.
But to answer your comments...........
It is easy to look at the road distances between places and work out the approximate time it will take to get from A to B.
What this doesn't tell you is the fact that most of your journey accross the pennines will probably be a 50 mph drag and stop start. The weather will probably be atrocious. Remember not to travel on a bank holiday because your journey could take as long as three hours. "I was stuck in that one".The M60 floods at the Middleton junction when it rains causing the motorway to be closed. You'll probably get stuck in a traffic jam tailback at Stockport and then it'll take you another half hour to find your off site carpark before you even get to the terminal. Not to forget, your hiking boots to get you to the departure gate when you've checked in.
DSA will probably a better run, if your up for it at 40 odd miles. Beware of the treck down the A1, this can be tricky. Mind the tractors! But hay this is Leeds' new LOCAL airport right??
The latest passenger figures prove that people want to fly from LBA and that LBA is a success.
Please check the CAA stats before you presume LBA has rather a lot of diversions.
Please also check the Leeds Expansion 2 opening thread.
But to answer your comments...........
It is easy to look at the road distances between places and work out the approximate time it will take to get from A to B.
What this doesn't tell you is the fact that most of your journey accross the pennines will probably be a 50 mph drag and stop start. The weather will probably be atrocious. Remember not to travel on a bank holiday because your journey could take as long as three hours. "I was stuck in that one".The M60 floods at the Middleton junction when it rains causing the motorway to be closed. You'll probably get stuck in a traffic jam tailback at Stockport and then it'll take you another half hour to find your off site carpark before you even get to the terminal. Not to forget, your hiking boots to get you to the departure gate when you've checked in.
DSA will probably a better run, if your up for it at 40 odd miles. Beware of the treck down the A1, this can be tricky. Mind the tractors! But hay this is Leeds' new LOCAL airport right??
The latest passenger figures prove that people want to fly from LBA and that LBA is a success.
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To answer the last point, it was myself that mentioned it was as quick to travel to Manchester as LBA from Halifax.
The points made about the motorway are vaild on some occasions but in the main an exageration. I travel the M62 corridor regularly and providing like very route you allow for peak periods rarely have much problem. If I wanted to I could point out the many delays from Halifx-Queensbury- Yeadon which are equally common and true.
The fact remain many people don't use Yeadon because it is not easily accessed from the motorway network.
This does not stop it being a nice airport, not a succesful hub for Jet2. I personally want to see both Manchester and Leeds with busy airports, not though one at the expense of the other.
Didnt check my sepelling last sentence should be it doesnt stop it being a nice airport, nor a succesful hub.
apologies
The points made about the motorway are vaild on some occasions but in the main an exageration. I travel the M62 corridor regularly and providing like very route you allow for peak periods rarely have much problem. If I wanted to I could point out the many delays from Halifx-Queensbury- Yeadon which are equally common and true.
The fact remain many people don't use Yeadon because it is not easily accessed from the motorway network.
This does not stop it being a nice airport, not a succesful hub for Jet2. I personally want to see both Manchester and Leeds with busy airports, not though one at the expense of the other.
Didnt check my sepelling last sentence should be it doesnt stop it being a nice airport, nor a succesful hub.
apologies
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I never ceased to amazed by the 'black and white' world that some PPruner's seem to live in. The travelling public make all sorts of considerations when making purchasing decisions; Price, availability, their opinion / experience of the airline, time of departure / arrival, their experience of using the airport(s) etc. Some, especially package holiday makers, are shoe-horned into flying from airports that aren't necessarily their first choice because of preferential selling by certain travel agents. Walk into a Thomas Cook in Leeds and you'll end up flying from MAN regardless of the fact that Going Places would probably sell you a similar holiday from LBA had you walked into their shop next door. Some regular business travellers will choose those airlines that offer them the greatest perks (FF points etc) even if it is not the most convenient option. This list goes on. I'm sure that whether airport A is 15 minutes further in the car than airport B is probably all the matters for some on here, but for others it's much less of an issue. A colleague of mine from Calderdale has used Jet2 four or five times in the last 18months to commute to his second home near Alicante. He likes the departure times, the reliability and the service. To him, the drive East along the motorway and round the Leeds ring-road is not an issue. I know a couple from North Leeds who flew with Easyjet from LPL to get to a friend's wedding in Northern Ireland. On that particular day, it saved them £50 compared to Jet2 or FlyBe and for that they were prepared to tackle the M62 on a Friday evening. Its horses for courses and with such a huge population around an airport like LBA this is going on all the time. LBA will win some and loose some. All we do know is that LBA seems to fill its flights as well as anywhere else and there is clearly scope for more flights to more destinations.
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has not the LBA./DCS thing been argued before to boring lengths...weather/roads etc...
1.8mi pax ytd ex LBA possibly means it is far from dead.
1.8mi pax ytd ex LBA possibly means it is far from dead.
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Is it just me or are we falling behind in the 'New routes and Airlines department' Over the past few months LBA has gained bmi to LCY and Jet2 to IBZ. Compare that to what the airports that 'complement' LBIA have gained.
Manchester...New Jet2 base 9 destinations, New GB Airways base with 5 destinations, bmi to LAS and the Caribbean....you can go on and on and on at Manchester!
Liverpool... Ryanair to CIA. WIZZ to WAW,BUD,KTW. Flybe to EDI,GLA,BHD,JER.
Newcastle...Ryanair to BGY, HLX to CGN, MUC. Flybe to SOU, EXT. SAS to CPH
Even Teesside is getting in on the act with Ryanair to CIA, an extra LHR flight and the Thomson charter programme next summer.
I do feel we are missing out AGAIN on all this expansion. hopefully i can see a German route on the horizon! I filled out the Germany questionnaire on the LBIA website a few months back. I got a reply last week saying that they couldn't start flights to FRA or DUS due to slot issues there, but were trying to get flights into CGN. No idea what airline was approached to operate these flights? On a plus point it is good to see that the BGI cruise charters are selling well. Next years summer charters are still looking crap though. Hopefully LBA may attract some more charters before the year is out but i doubt it! Looks like the Sunday evening IWD flight to IBZ next summer has been scrapped aswell
Just had a quick look at the LBIA charters list for Summer 2005. You can fly to a TOTAL of 19 destinations for your Holidays! From Newcastle you can fly to 14 destination in GREECE alone! Need i say anymore!!!
Manchester...New Jet2 base 9 destinations, New GB Airways base with 5 destinations, bmi to LAS and the Caribbean....you can go on and on and on at Manchester!
Liverpool... Ryanair to CIA. WIZZ to WAW,BUD,KTW. Flybe to EDI,GLA,BHD,JER.
Newcastle...Ryanair to BGY, HLX to CGN, MUC. Flybe to SOU, EXT. SAS to CPH
Even Teesside is getting in on the act with Ryanair to CIA, an extra LHR flight and the Thomson charter programme next summer.
I do feel we are missing out AGAIN on all this expansion. hopefully i can see a German route on the horizon! I filled out the Germany questionnaire on the LBIA website a few months back. I got a reply last week saying that they couldn't start flights to FRA or DUS due to slot issues there, but were trying to get flights into CGN. No idea what airline was approached to operate these flights? On a plus point it is good to see that the BGI cruise charters are selling well. Next years summer charters are still looking crap though. Hopefully LBA may attract some more charters before the year is out but i doubt it! Looks like the Sunday evening IWD flight to IBZ next summer has been scrapped aswell
Just had a quick look at the LBIA charters list for Summer 2005. You can fly to a TOTAL of 19 destinations for your Holidays! From Newcastle you can fly to 14 destination in GREECE alone! Need i say anymore!!!
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Yes BMIFOX,
I Try be as positive as possible on this thread, but I agree, everything said on the Greek Summer Program thread still stands. I'd like to have a LBA Lack of Expansion thread, but I think it's all been said already.
I Try be as positive as possible on this thread, but I agree, everything said on the Greek Summer Program thread still stands. I'd like to have a LBA Lack of Expansion thread, but I think it's all been said already.
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Hang on a minute boys and girls! LBA has seen significant growth these past few years, spare a thought for Humberside! HUY has not had any new scheduled flights for years! The summer charter programme is shrinking due to the attack from DSA, already having lost it's Corfu flight to the onslaught. In terms of who has had the worst run of luck/bad management, LBA fares a hell of a lot better than HUY!
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A snippet taken from today's FT, when commenting on Flybe's expansion at Liverpool.
"It is expected to announce a further expansion shortly,possibly from Leeds-Bradford, from where it already flies to Belfast"
"It is expected to announce a further expansion shortly,possibly from Leeds-Bradford, from where it already flies to Belfast"
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Good Point
Well Aeulad,
Your right there. I'm sure Manchester purchased Humberside mearly to protect is own interests, not to develop it into any kind of regional hub.
Before B.S. came to LBA didn't he get Airtours to start flights from Humberside??
Your right there. I'm sure Manchester purchased Humberside mearly to protect is own interests, not to develop it into any kind of regional hub.
Before B.S. came to LBA didn't he get Airtours to start flights from Humberside??
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Very intresting...i have just read the Flybe article in today's FT. I hope it's more French routes out of LBA. Bordeaux and Toulouse would go well out of LBA i know! During the summer i flew out of NEMA for bmibaby on a Fokker for a few weeks. I operated on the TLS and BOD flights about a dozen times. Alot of the passengers on these flights had travelled down from Yorkshire to NEMA to catch these flights so i know there is demand for more regional french flights from LBA. Does anyone know if a full DH8-400 could make TLS or BOD from LBA?
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Not all the Jet2 developments are going the way of MAN. Extra weekday flights LBA to Murcia (LS207/8) at the same time as the previously announced weekend flight with the same flight number has been added for the peak of summer 05. This makes two daily flights between July 15th and September 1st.
An extra rotation to PMI for Mon-Fri has also been added between May 26th and Sept 3rd, this makes two flights on weekdays.
Jet2 also picked up a Yorkshire tourism award last week.
bmifox.
TLS sounds like a long way to endure on a DHC8. How about BRS or EXT? The shortlived BA route to BRS was starting to pick up reasonable loads just before it was axed. Access from Yorkshire to Bristol and the West Country requires long train or road journeys so there should be a reasonable business demand and lowish fares may attract leisure pax too.
PTH
An extra rotation to PMI for Mon-Fri has also been added between May 26th and Sept 3rd, this makes two flights on weekdays.
Jet2 also picked up a Yorkshire tourism award last week.
bmifox.
TLS sounds like a long way to endure on a DHC8. How about BRS or EXT? The shortlived BA route to BRS was starting to pick up reasonable loads just before it was axed. Access from Yorkshire to Bristol and the West Country requires long train or road journeys so there should be a reasonable business demand and lowish fares may attract leisure pax too.
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The blurb on Flybe at LPL yesterday mentioned that:
"Flybe. is also announcing its intention to expand its services from Liverpool over the next 12 months to an additional four UK destinations and a number of French regional airports"
Depends of course whether we are talking about French regional airports in the north of France, or the South and of course what equipment FlyBe are going to use out of LPL. That said, it sounds in principle like LBA - French regional airports is an option for them if they want to tap into the market East of the Pennines as well.
Also, looks like road and rail links are back on the agenda again:
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http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/brad...ews06.int.html
AN INQUIRY has begun which could result in new rail links between Leeds Bradford Airport and Horsforth and Guiseley.
The potential for a new rail connection to the airport from the Leeds to Harrogate line at Horsforth, which could link up with Guiseley, is one option now being examined by Leeds\' Scrutiny Board (Development Services).
The board, which agreed the terms of reference for an inquiry into access to the airport on Monday, will also consider the possibility of creating a new road link to LBA.
The inquiry, which is being carried out with West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive Metro, aims to find ways to tackle the increased traffic expected as the airport expands.
Speaking after the meeting, board member Councillor Graham Latty (Con, Guiseley and Rawdon) said: "A rail link or a new road could be extremely good news, but to me the rail link is more aspirational.
"The rail link would be from Horsforth to the airport, and from what was said during Monday\'s meeting the idea is also to perhaps carry it on to Guiseley to link up with the line there.
"The biggest problem of course is going to be securing funding, because it\'s a good idea but where do we get the money from?
"When we talk about increasing capacity on the two lines we\'ve got with Metro and the people who run the trains they say they can\'t afford any more rolling stock.
"So there would have to be a serious injection of capital from central government for this."
The new road being looked at as part of a Metro study of the outer ring road, could run from the A65, near Rawdon Crematorium, over to Whitehouse Lane.
Coun Latty said: "Let\'s face it, we want both. The train would be fantastic but I don\'t know what its impact on traffic would be.
"If the money was there I\'d go for the road link because it would effectively be providing a Yeadon and Rawdon bypass and that would help all the traffic, not just the airport\'s.
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"Flybe. is also announcing its intention to expand its services from Liverpool over the next 12 months to an additional four UK destinations and a number of French regional airports"
Depends of course whether we are talking about French regional airports in the north of France, or the South and of course what equipment FlyBe are going to use out of LPL. That said, it sounds in principle like LBA - French regional airports is an option for them if they want to tap into the market East of the Pennines as well.
Also, looks like road and rail links are back on the agenda again:
full article
http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/brad...ews06.int.html
AN INQUIRY has begun which could result in new rail links between Leeds Bradford Airport and Horsforth and Guiseley.
The potential for a new rail connection to the airport from the Leeds to Harrogate line at Horsforth, which could link up with Guiseley, is one option now being examined by Leeds\' Scrutiny Board (Development Services).
The board, which agreed the terms of reference for an inquiry into access to the airport on Monday, will also consider the possibility of creating a new road link to LBA.
The inquiry, which is being carried out with West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive Metro, aims to find ways to tackle the increased traffic expected as the airport expands.
Speaking after the meeting, board member Councillor Graham Latty (Con, Guiseley and Rawdon) said: "A rail link or a new road could be extremely good news, but to me the rail link is more aspirational.
"The rail link would be from Horsforth to the airport, and from what was said during Monday\'s meeting the idea is also to perhaps carry it on to Guiseley to link up with the line there.
"The biggest problem of course is going to be securing funding, because it\'s a good idea but where do we get the money from?
"When we talk about increasing capacity on the two lines we\'ve got with Metro and the people who run the trains they say they can\'t afford any more rolling stock.
"So there would have to be a serious injection of capital from central government for this."
The new road being looked at as part of a Metro study of the outer ring road, could run from the A65, near Rawdon Crematorium, over to Whitehouse Lane.
Coun Latty said: "Let\'s face it, we want both. The train would be fantastic but I don\'t know what its impact on traffic would be.
"If the money was there I\'d go for the road link because it would effectively be providing a Yeadon and Rawdon bypass and that would help all the traffic, not just the airport\'s.
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