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I think your point about over-supply on BRS-PLH is entirely valid. The cities are very close and CAA stats show normally only about 200-300 pax on the route each month, although for some reason there were 1337 in October and over 600 in November.
A quick random check of prices on Flybe's EXT-LBA and Air Southwest's PLH-LBA show the Flybe route to be around £20 or £30 cheaper on the dates I chose.
I wonder how much traffic there is for LBA from the southwest as a whole, and vice versa. From nothing we now have two airlines effectively serving four south west airports from there.
I reckon the sensible thing will be to see how things pan out this summer before either of the carriers thinks about whether changes are necessary. Hopefully, they will both do well.
I think your point about over-supply on BRS-PLH is entirely valid. The cities are very close and CAA stats show normally only about 200-300 pax on the route each month, although for some reason there were 1337 in October and over 600 in November.
A quick random check of prices on Flybe's EXT-LBA and Air Southwest's PLH-LBA show the Flybe route to be around £20 or £30 cheaper on the dates I chose.
I wonder how much traffic there is for LBA from the southwest as a whole, and vice versa. From nothing we now have two airlines effectively serving four south west airports from there.
I reckon the sensible thing will be to see how things pan out this summer before either of the carriers thinks about whether changes are necessary. Hopefully, they will both do well.
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Re Eastern, I'd be extremely surprised if they were planning on upping sticks away from LBA. They increased the frequency on their SOU service to 4 flights each weekday in January which doesn't seem to be the signal of a retreating army. The SOU service has consistantly been one of the carriers better performing routes in its network. I cannot imagine FlyBe would have had such an impact when their first SOU flight is still months away.
Passengers numbers on T3's other services to ABZ and IOM are also steadily rising with load factors usually around 70% (albeit on a J32!). Given T3's fare structure, one would imagine that yields are reasonable.
Passengers numbers on T3's other services to ABZ and IOM are also steadily rising with load factors usually around 70% (albeit on a J32!). Given T3's fare structure, one would imagine that yields are reasonable.
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That is correct, a 319 on a W/L from Lotus Air. If I understand correctly, the drivers are from Lotus and the cabin crew from Astraeus. and it will remain for the full week at LBA excluding Wednesdays when it will go to MAN to do some work out of there. The Wed LBA-FUE for MYTravel will remain with LTE so I believe.
On a negative side, I have heard a rumour that SO5 may be the last time that Britannia/Thomson will base a unit at LBA. I stress it is a rumour I heard, but was interested to see if anyone else has heard this also.
On a negative side, I have heard a rumour that SO5 may be the last time that Britannia/Thomson will base a unit at LBA. I stress it is a rumour I heard, but was interested to see if anyone else has heard this also.
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Not heard anything, but how negative it would ultimately prove to be depends whether TUI (the tour operator) intends to stop offering package holidays from LBA or whether it just means they are going to look at using an airline other than BY to serve the programme (as My Travel have done with AEU this summer).
I wouldn't be surprised if TUI went looking for a third party to offer something in the 150-180 seat range for ops out of places like Leeds. Gives them scope to build a much broader programme than the 757 does and as the market looks to the relative sanctuary of Greece and the Eastern Med a smaller aircraft might open a few doors to this part of the world.
A job perhaps for AEU / MON / XLA?
Jet2LBA - as I say, the challenge for Eastern will be if/when FlyBE go to 2 daily or greater.
MV - I suspect there is a lot of traffic between the South West and the LBA catchment. The question will be - how much can be tempted off of the roads and railways and into the air. There's evidence that airlines such as FlyBe are successfully introducing a new type of domestic traveller to the air on what would have previously being considered thin / niche routes, so we'll see. I recall the brief operation of the Gill Air Shorts-360 on LBA-BRS used to pull in loads of 15 or so and that was based on £200 return to fly in arguably one of the most uncomfortable a/c of the modern era. £50-£100 in a Dash-8 sounds like it has a chance to me. We're already booked on FlyBE to EXT, so there you go!
I wouldn't be surprised if TUI went looking for a third party to offer something in the 150-180 seat range for ops out of places like Leeds. Gives them scope to build a much broader programme than the 757 does and as the market looks to the relative sanctuary of Greece and the Eastern Med a smaller aircraft might open a few doors to this part of the world.
A job perhaps for AEU / MON / XLA?
Jet2LBA - as I say, the challenge for Eastern will be if/when FlyBE go to 2 daily or greater.
MV - I suspect there is a lot of traffic between the South West and the LBA catchment. The question will be - how much can be tempted off of the roads and railways and into the air. There's evidence that airlines such as FlyBe are successfully introducing a new type of domestic traveller to the air on what would have previously being considered thin / niche routes, so we'll see. I recall the brief operation of the Gill Air Shorts-360 on LBA-BRS used to pull in loads of 15 or so and that was based on £200 return to fly in arguably one of the most uncomfortable a/c of the modern era. £50-£100 in a Dash-8 sounds like it has a chance to me. We're already booked on FlyBE to EXT, so there you go!
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MyTravel Routes Summer 2005
I know that Astraeus will be operating most of the MYT flights out of LBA this summer, but can anybody tell me where I can find a list of these routes please. Would be grateful if anybody could, thanks.
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I see yet another press release has appeared on the LBA website as another attempt to get people using the LCY service. I do think it would help immeasurably if someone actually proof-read these things before they went to the general public and if a little more thought went into their content. Let's not forget, the last press release on the subject was promoting the benefits of the 'new' 10am southbound departure some weeks after said flight had been axed.
With regard the latest effort;
- are the fares quoted inclusive or exclusive of taxes?
- who exactly are flybi.com; the website you are directing me to for further details.
- was it too great a challenge to match the column headings to the data underneath?
- how do I take up the offer of complimentary transfers from LCY. Does this apply to all ticket holders?
- why do I get different fares to those quoted if I run a sample booking. The Q fare on 29-March is £141.60 incl taxes; not £150. The V fare on 12-Jul is £111.60, not £120.
- both sample bookings offered the 10am morning departure (available from 29 March). Maybe now *is* the time to dust off that press release
I'm more than happy, free of charge, to offer a proof reading service for future efforts. Please drop me a Private Mail if you wish to take up the offer.
As for the fares themselves. 'lower fares' were not the two words that sprang into my mind when I cast my eye down them (especially if they are exclusive of taxes). That said, if they have abandoned all hope of targeting the leisure traveller onto the route, they don't look too bad in relation to the train. GNER quote £142 for a standard open and £235 for a first class open. Both fully flexible and refundable. It's a pity bmi's 'H' fare of £180 wasn't partially refundable with 1 free change, because that would look reasonably attractive to the day return business traveller; pitched as it is between the standard and first class train fare.
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With regard the latest effort;
- are the fares quoted inclusive or exclusive of taxes?
- who exactly are flybi.com; the website you are directing me to for further details.
- was it too great a challenge to match the column headings to the data underneath?
- how do I take up the offer of complimentary transfers from LCY. Does this apply to all ticket holders?
- why do I get different fares to those quoted if I run a sample booking. The Q fare on 29-March is £141.60 incl taxes; not £150. The V fare on 12-Jul is £111.60, not £120.
- both sample bookings offered the 10am morning departure (available from 29 March). Maybe now *is* the time to dust off that press release
I'm more than happy, free of charge, to offer a proof reading service for future efforts. Please drop me a Private Mail if you wish to take up the offer.
As for the fares themselves. 'lower fares' were not the two words that sprang into my mind when I cast my eye down them (especially if they are exclusive of taxes). That said, if they have abandoned all hope of targeting the leisure traveller onto the route, they don't look too bad in relation to the train. GNER quote £142 for a standard open and £235 for a first class open. Both fully flexible and refundable. It's a pity bmi's 'H' fare of £180 wasn't partially refundable with 1 free change, because that would look reasonably attractive to the day return business traveller; pitched as it is between the standard and first class train fare.
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Well said. I didn't even notice the boob when i read it the first time round. I was more intrested in the claim that you can have "exclusive lounge access when travelling business class"....erm since when at LBA or LCY? At LBA and LCY(LCY has no lounge access at all) bmi don't have their own lounges so they use 3rd party lounges, at LBA thats the Globeground/Servisair lounge. Now if you are travelling with bmi you can only get into the lounge if you have a Gold or Silver Diamond Club card, no matter what class you are in. If you have a full fare business ticket and have paid £400+ if you don't have the Gold/Silver card then you are politely told to p*** off to the general lounge! Even when bmi did have a lounge at LBA that was a Diamond Club lounge NOT a Business Class lounge...there is a difference.
Just to "check my facts"i rang the Globeground lounge and Diamond Club this morning and was told there is definitely NO lounge access for business class pax at LBA or LCY.
So yet again another catalogue of errors from the LBIA marketing team. PLEASE will someone from the Bristol Airport marketing team come and show them how to do their jobs. Until then it looks like WE will have to keep correcting their cock-ups!
Well said. I didn't even notice the boob when i read it the first time round. I was more intrested in the claim that you can have "exclusive lounge access when travelling business class"....erm since when at LBA or LCY? At LBA and LCY(LCY has no lounge access at all) bmi don't have their own lounges so they use 3rd party lounges, at LBA thats the Globeground/Servisair lounge. Now if you are travelling with bmi you can only get into the lounge if you have a Gold or Silver Diamond Club card, no matter what class you are in. If you have a full fare business ticket and have paid £400+ if you don't have the Gold/Silver card then you are politely told to p*** off to the general lounge! Even when bmi did have a lounge at LBA that was a Diamond Club lounge NOT a Business Class lounge...there is a difference.
Just to "check my facts"i rang the Globeground lounge and Diamond Club this morning and was told there is definitely NO lounge access for business class pax at LBA or LCY.
So yet again another catalogue of errors from the LBIA marketing team. PLEASE will someone from the Bristol Airport marketing team come and show them how to do their jobs. Until then it looks like WE will have to keep correcting their cock-ups!
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Anyone know if RW 27/09 is finally going to disappear this year ?
I believe the plan was for it to be concreted over to provide something like five extra stands this summer. May 1st is only a few weeks away and there's no sign of any activity so it could be that aircraft will be parking on its threshold overnight again. As Mr Metcom says, "Runway 27/09 is not available except as a taxiway..."
I believe the plan was for it to be concreted over to provide something like five extra stands this summer. May 1st is only a few weeks away and there's no sign of any activity so it could be that aircraft will be parking on its threshold overnight again. As Mr Metcom says, "Runway 27/09 is not available except as a taxiway..."
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As per the apron at LBA.
Now, this information goes back 3 weeks ago, I have been on holiday so don't have the most up to date info but this is what I know (of 3 weeks ago)
There is a downslope on the originally planned apron extention (ie, roll the grass back between A3 ,C and B holding points). So now the cost is more than planned (land fill, raising taxiway "D" and the taxiway between "B" and R/W 32/14), so now is to to be re-evaluated as a priority for the airport company.
27/09 is/to be closed, (not sure of the exact date but believe it is imminent and I think someone who posted on here said it was already operating as a taxiway).
There will be aircraft space avaliable on 27/09 during the summer, but there will be no marked stands and only used "as such situations arise". There are not enough movements or based aircraft to justify more parking space (at the moment).
From what I understand, Anderson is pointing more in the direction of ILS and runway improvements at the moment before parking space.....
Thats the best I know at the mo....
Now, this information goes back 3 weeks ago, I have been on holiday so don't have the most up to date info but this is what I know (of 3 weeks ago)
There is a downslope on the originally planned apron extention (ie, roll the grass back between A3 ,C and B holding points). So now the cost is more than planned (land fill, raising taxiway "D" and the taxiway between "B" and R/W 32/14), so now is to to be re-evaluated as a priority for the airport company.
27/09 is/to be closed, (not sure of the exact date but believe it is imminent and I think someone who posted on here said it was already operating as a taxiway).
There will be aircraft space avaliable on 27/09 during the summer, but there will be no marked stands and only used "as such situations arise". There are not enough movements or based aircraft to justify more parking space (at the moment).
From what I understand, Anderson is pointing more in the direction of ILS and runway improvements at the moment before parking space.....
Thats the best I know at the mo....
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Apron Expansion
The work was scheduled to start in April. The project has had a delay because of strict rules on drainage characteristics laid down by the Environment Agency. The work is now expected to start in June when we will finally see the closure of runways 27/09.
Other expansion and developments........
*Work is now well underway on the long stay carpark 6 and 7 to provide an additional 550 spaces.
*Jet2 will finally move its operation to the more spacious check-in Hall B which will facilitate additional services throughout the summer.
*Additional shops are to be added landside
...........and not to forget the new 'cash machine' airside!!
Other expansion and developments........
*Work is now well underway on the long stay carpark 6 and 7 to provide an additional 550 spaces.
*Jet2 will finally move its operation to the more spacious check-in Hall B which will facilitate additional services throughout the summer.
*Additional shops are to be added landside
...........and not to forget the new 'cash machine' airside!!
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Bombardier, re the priority ILS and runway improvements you mention. Do you know what is being looked at? Resurfaceing or additional length/improved soft overrun? ILS are we talking CAT upgrade on 14 or moving the touchdown point back on 32 to avoid being the wrong side of the hump on touchdown during a CAT3? I'd have to say there are too many priorities at the moment given the current growth, I for one wouldn't like to have to make the decision unless I had the money to do it all!
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About time they got a cash machine airside; I was rather annoyed at finding no cash machine in the departure lounge back in November. It made the 2hr delay on Jet2 more painful when I ran out of cash..
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Summer Based Aircraft
Anyone know???
Does anyone know what airlines are basing what for summer 05 here at Leeds? The airports own listings are very patchy and it is probably on issue 67 by now!
Is Thomsonfly basing 767 equiptment for the whole season?
Cheers
Leodis.
Does anyone know what airlines are basing what for summer 05 here at Leeds? The airports own listings are very patchy and it is probably on issue 67 by now!
Is Thomsonfly basing 767 equiptment for the whole season?
Cheers
Leodis.
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CHARTER based
Thomsonfly 752/762(split season)
Astraeus 319(on lease from Lotus)
SCHEDULED based
Bmi 319
Bmi regional ER4/ER3
Eastern Airways J41/J32
Jet2 734/733
SCHEDULED nightstoppers
KLM cityhopper F100
Regards
Mike
Thomsonfly 752/762(split season)
Astraeus 319(on lease from Lotus)
SCHEDULED based
Bmi 319
Bmi regional ER4/ER3
Eastern Airways J41/J32
Jet2 734/733
SCHEDULED nightstoppers
KLM cityhopper F100
Regards
Mike
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I wouldn't be surprised if TUI went looking for a third party to offer something in
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I just dont know when anyone is going to get this and Im not having a go at you, but beleive me: there is a market at LBA for expanding greece within BY's own fleet.
I know they could base a 767 for a full season and expand the program right up to include a multitude of greek destinations.
It is a travesty of justice the 767 operates for only upto end of june. It is more often that not full, and remeber this is NOT PEAK SEASON. So imagine the possibilities when it is peak season.
I suspect BY just do not want to operate from LBA for one reason or another. IT IS DEFINATELY NOT DOWN TO LACK OF DEMAND. If that is what you are being told then beleive me that is TOTAL RUBBISH.
I am absolutely convinced TCX, FCA, MYT and BY could base a full summer programme form lba without any W's and fill their planes. The people of west yorks want LBA, they DO NOT want DSA or MAN - the only reason they are using these places is because they have no choice.
Like i said not having a go, but I ish people would beleive this.
I would love to see FCA base in S06 and am beginning to think there maybe a chance if BY pull out, who knows they could provide us with a bettre program as well !
I just dont know when anyone is going to get this and Im not having a go at you, but beleive me: there is a market at LBA for expanding greece within BY's own fleet.
I know they could base a 767 for a full season and expand the program right up to include a multitude of greek destinations.
It is a travesty of justice the 767 operates for only upto end of june. It is more often that not full, and remeber this is NOT PEAK SEASON. So imagine the possibilities when it is peak season.
I suspect BY just do not want to operate from LBA for one reason or another. IT IS DEFINATELY NOT DOWN TO LACK OF DEMAND. If that is what you are being told then beleive me that is TOTAL RUBBISH.
I am absolutely convinced TCX, FCA, MYT and BY could base a full summer programme form lba without any W's and fill their planes. The people of west yorks want LBA, they DO NOT want DSA or MAN - the only reason they are using these places is because they have no choice.
Like i said not having a go, but I ish people would beleive this.
I would love to see FCA base in S06 and am beginning to think there maybe a chance if BY pull out, who knows they could provide us with a bettre program as well !
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Edit: We do not allow the use of names on PPRuNe and I have removed both the name you used and your abusive remarks.
Did you now.
Cheers H.
Did you now.
Cheers H.
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I can understand your sentiments, but if you look back at previous postings then you will understand why Thomsonfly have done what they have done. I spoke to a passenger last week, he was flying from LBA for the first time with Jet2. He said that he was from Doncaster and that he normally flys from MAN because he could only ever get a flight from there. He said he "liked LBA" and that "DSA and LBA will give us Yorkshire folk some real choice." This is now my firm belief and that both airports can grow together, even to destinations in America and the Middle East ARE possible from LBA.
I think this is one of the main reasons for the airport looking at improving the runway and its approaches. This will become more of a selling point to attract new airlines and it will help to keep old ones!
I think this is one of the main reasons for the airport looking at improving the runway and its approaches. This will become more of a selling point to attract new airlines and it will help to keep old ones!