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Ah right get ya now 
Anyone heard about a proposed FlyBe base at LBA to be announced on Tuesday? According to the LBA group, the Travel Trade Gazette said that bases at NWI and LBA were to be announced, anyone know anymore?
Anyone heard about a proposed FlyBe base at LBA to be announced on Tuesday? According to the LBA group, the Travel Trade Gazette said that bases at NWI and LBA were to be announced, anyone know anymore?
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From what i have heard flybe will operate 2 flights a day to SOU and daily to EXT from LBA but will not base an aircraft there. I think a couple of French routes may be in there aswell.
From what i have heard flybe will operate 2 flights a day to SOU and daily to EXT from LBA but will not base an aircraft there. I think a couple of French routes may be in there aswell.
Morning all,
It's excellent news about Air Southwest. I really hope they are able to make a go of these routes and I believe they will succeed.
I gather BACX were beginning to get satisfactory loads on their Leeds to Bristol service just as it was chopped and the Newquay run will be good for the tourist trade. I hope there's enough room for the surfboards in the hold of the Dash 8.
If Flybe are thinking of gathering pace, this is even better, especially if they can undercut Eastern on the Southampton run. Last time I flew there and back from Leeds it cost me a small fortune. On that occasion the J41 was full up (Friday afternoon) but I don't know what machine Flybe would use. Maybe it would be something like Leeds-Southampton-Bergerac with a Q400.
The parking apron at Leeds is going to get seriously crowded at times next summer. Still better packed than deserted
It's excellent news about Air Southwest. I really hope they are able to make a go of these routes and I believe they will succeed.
I gather BACX were beginning to get satisfactory loads on their Leeds to Bristol service just as it was chopped and the Newquay run will be good for the tourist trade. I hope there's enough room for the surfboards in the hold of the Dash 8.
If Flybe are thinking of gathering pace, this is even better, especially if they can undercut Eastern on the Southampton run. Last time I flew there and back from Leeds it cost me a small fortune. On that occasion the J41 was full up (Friday afternoon) but I don't know what machine Flybe would use. Maybe it would be something like Leeds-Southampton-Bergerac with a Q400.
The parking apron at Leeds is going to get seriously crowded at times next summer. Still better packed than deserted
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All sounds like good news at LBA!
Mooncrest,
You made a good point about the apron space. It is going to be packed next year. I heard someone mention a major expansion of the parking apron next year but nothing has been announced
Lets wait and see anyway, Tuesday is now in my diary!!
You made a good point about the apron space. It is going to be packed next year. I heard someone mention a major expansion of the parking apron next year but nothing has been announced
Lets wait and see anyway, Tuesday is now in my diary!!
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Looks like the West country will be the place to be in 2005! LBA is doing very well for adding new routes and operators on the scheduled side. Newquay, Bristol and Exeter all added at the same time!
Are Jet2 planning to announce any more new routes from LBA for summer 2005?
Regards
Mike
Are Jet2 planning to announce any more new routes from LBA for summer 2005?
Regards
Mike
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Jet2 Paris (or not?)
Does anyone know when Jet2 Summer Paris seats are going on sale? their web site shows nothing after the 5th of April 05. Is this route going out of Manchester?
I did hear they were after some more slots for Paris. It would be a shame if they and bmi pulled off Paris next year. I only go two or three times a year, but it saves driving over the 62
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Burt
I did hear they were after some more slots for Paris. It would be a shame if they and bmi pulled off Paris next year. I only go two or three times a year, but it saves driving over the 62
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The Paris thing seems to be an issue with utilisation. The LBA programme as it stands can be done with 6 / 7 aircraft on some days, rising to a requirement for 9 on Sunday evenings.
Fitting in CDG with the current timings needs a 9th a/c on Tues, Thurs and Fri between mid-July and end of August (when it would conflict with the 2nd daily MJV flight) so ulitimately I suppose Jet2 will be weighing up whether this is something they can accomodate given their other plans.
I rather suspect it would be easier all round for them if they could get an earlier slot as they have a spare machine lying around at LBA until 11:30 each day. If this failed at IATA, perhaps they're working behind the scenes with other airlines trying to exchange slots (although swapping a lunchtime slot for an early morning one, doesn't sound a great trade).
Didn't realise bmi were pulling off CDG by the way.
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Fitting in CDG with the current timings needs a 9th a/c on Tues, Thurs and Fri between mid-July and end of August (when it would conflict with the 2nd daily MJV flight) so ulitimately I suppose Jet2 will be weighing up whether this is something they can accomodate given their other plans.
I rather suspect it would be easier all round for them if they could get an earlier slot as they have a spare machine lying around at LBA until 11:30 each day. If this failed at IATA, perhaps they're working behind the scenes with other airlines trying to exchange slots (although swapping a lunchtime slot for an early morning one, doesn't sound a great trade).
Didn't realise bmi were pulling off CDG by the way.
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Looks like the Flybe routes are SOU and EXT. SOU to start 1 daily flight on 12th May and EXT again 1 daily flight on the 16 Jun.
Just noticed that Eastern Airways are adding an extra flight to SOU from LBA from the 10th Jan. Flights operate M-F depart LBA at 10.00 land SOU 11.10 and return from SOU at 11.40 land LBA at 12.45.
Just noticed that Eastern Airways are adding an extra flight to SOU from LBA from the 10th Jan. Flights operate M-F depart LBA at 10.00 land SOU 11.10 and return from SOU at 11.40 land LBA at 12.45.
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Looks like the West country will be the place to be in 2005! LBA is doing very well for adding new routes and operators on the scheduled side. Newquay, Bristol and Exeter all added at the same time!
I know the BRS, PLH and NQY rotation is really the same flight, with PLH pax changing at BRS.
I believe that BRS-LBA is a viable route anyway: two major and vibrant business centres with a bit of leisure thrown in as well. This route showed great promise when it was tried on at least two separate occasions in the past ten years or so (half heartedly in my view), the most recent being three or four years ago when BACx was running down much of its operations.
However, EXT, PLH and NQY seem to me to be in the main leisure routes, although of course Plymouth is an important business centre. FLYbe may be encouraged by its apparent success with NCL-EXT.
It will be interesting to see how many business pax in the Plymouth area opt for a non-stop flight from EXT rather than a flight from PLH that entails an a/c change en route, with the same question applying to those flying in the opposite direction. Fares appear likely to be about the same, judging from Flybe's record and Air Southwest's already announced fare structure. Air Southwest's two daily rotations offer the possibility of Plymouth business pax and others being able to go to the Leeds area and back in a day.
Perhaps the losers in all this will be Virgin Trains.
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MV - the timings of the connection in BRS don't allow a day return for either LBA or PLH originating pax. Of course, with FlyBE being 1 x daily from EXT, nor do they.
Still, you can't really do a day return from that part of the world on either the train or by car either!
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Still, you can't really do a day return from that part of the world on either the train or by car either!
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The Air Southwest website timetable and booking engine says you can do PLH-LBA and back in a day.
The flight leaves PLH at 0630 and arrives LBA at 0850 with a change at BRS. The return leaves LBA at 1845 and arrives PLH at 2050 with a change at BRS.
This is Monday to Friday only.
The Sunday programme is one rotation only, so obviously you cannot do it then.
I was aware that it was not possible for LBA pax to do PLH and back in a day.
Flybe apparently will also fly on Saturdays, something that Air Southwest does not apparently intend to do at present on their route.
Not being an aviation professional I don’t know what the percentage of potential day return travellers would be. I can only speak from personal experience in that my wife and I have flown from BRS to EDI, GLA and NCL (all with easyJet) for leisure day trips on several occasions, and each time have seen several other couples and groups going the same thing. We shall do so with Air Southwest from BRS to visit Leeds, a city about which we have read many good things of late. It’s a pity that the reciprocal timings from LBA to BRS, although allowing a day trip in theory, do not really permit enough time in the west country to make it worthwhile.
Furthermore, my son regularly flies the EDI, GLA and NCL routes (and others) from BRS on business day trips, as do others of his acquaintance. Without the availablilty of day trips some of his business plans would have to be re-jigged so that he would stay overnight at, say Newcastle, but would make fewer trips overall. Having the day option is usually more cost effective in terms of his time, although there are times, such as this week, when he will stay ‘up north’ for several days.
I don't want to sound as if I am nit picking. The important thing is a sudden opening up of the entire west country from the Yorkshire area and vice versa. I can see both airlines succeeding with these routes. I hope they do. Full marks for the initiative.
The Air Southwest website timetable and booking engine says you can do PLH-LBA and back in a day.
The flight leaves PLH at 0630 and arrives LBA at 0850 with a change at BRS. The return leaves LBA at 1845 and arrives PLH at 2050 with a change at BRS.
This is Monday to Friday only.
The Sunday programme is one rotation only, so obviously you cannot do it then.
I was aware that it was not possible for LBA pax to do PLH and back in a day.
Flybe apparently will also fly on Saturdays, something that Air Southwest does not apparently intend to do at present on their route.
Not being an aviation professional I don’t know what the percentage of potential day return travellers would be. I can only speak from personal experience in that my wife and I have flown from BRS to EDI, GLA and NCL (all with easyJet) for leisure day trips on several occasions, and each time have seen several other couples and groups going the same thing. We shall do so with Air Southwest from BRS to visit Leeds, a city about which we have read many good things of late. It’s a pity that the reciprocal timings from LBA to BRS, although allowing a day trip in theory, do not really permit enough time in the west country to make it worthwhile.
Furthermore, my son regularly flies the EDI, GLA and NCL routes (and others) from BRS on business day trips, as do others of his acquaintance. Without the availablilty of day trips some of his business plans would have to be re-jigged so that he would stay overnight at, say Newcastle, but would make fewer trips overall. Having the day option is usually more cost effective in terms of his time, although there are times, such as this week, when he will stay ‘up north’ for several days.
I don't want to sound as if I am nit picking. The important thing is a sudden opening up of the entire west country from the Yorkshire area and vice versa. I can see both airlines succeeding with these routes. I hope they do. Full marks for the initiative.
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The West country "buses" have indeed arrived all at once.
However, to say that flybe is opening a "major base" at LBA seems inaccurate as no aircraft will actually be based here. Both of the SOU and EXT flights originate at the southern ends. One flight a day might be right for EXT but I would think that SOU would deserve two flights on week days. The day return business pax will still have to use Eastern and pay their non LoCo fares.
The flybe press statement says 280,000 seats will be offered from LBA, though they do not indicate what period these will cover. As the schedule stands there will be 780 seats per week day, fewer on Saturday and Sunday, when both new routes start. At that rate it will take more than a year to operate 280,000 seats worth. Is there something else in the pipeline?
PTH
However, to say that flybe is opening a "major base" at LBA seems inaccurate as no aircraft will actually be based here. Both of the SOU and EXT flights originate at the southern ends. One flight a day might be right for EXT but I would think that SOU would deserve two flights on week days. The day return business pax will still have to use Eastern and pay their non LoCo fares.
The flybe press statement says 280,000 seats will be offered from LBA, though they do not indicate what period these will cover. As the schedule stands there will be 780 seats per week day, fewer on Saturday and Sunday, when both new routes start. At that rate it will take more than a year to operate 280,000 seats worth. Is there something else in the pipeline?
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Sorry i didn't mean bmi "were "pulling off the route, rather that if things didn't go well for bmi on the Paris route(following Jet2 new operation) then they might well feel they could use the aircraft elsewhere and with both BHX & NEMA being talked about (baby & Regional) it could well be that they use Paris slot elsewhere. How ironic if Leeds ended up with no Paris flights!!
Cheers
Burt
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FLYBE Leeds Expansion
The YEP reported than the Flybe business plan was to introduce more destinations into Europe a year into the new business strategy at LBA. It was reported that additional flights to France are high on the priority list.
All the best to your new services FLYBE & Air SOUTHWEST
All the best to your new services FLYBE & Air SOUTHWEST
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http://www3.flybe.com/news/0411/29.htm flyBe are going on Leeds to Exeter and Southampton from May.
LBIA to Exeter should be interesting after Air Southwests Bristol/Plymouth to Leeds announcement. The Leeds Southampton route must be one of the "eastern" (small "e") routes mentioned by BE a few weeks ago - I noticed Eastern (big "E") last week added a 4th daily Jetscream service on the route from January 10th so it must be a good 'un.
Where will everyone park at Leeds?
LBIA to Exeter should be interesting after Air Southwests Bristol/Plymouth to Leeds announcement. The Leeds Southampton route must be one of the "eastern" (small "e") routes mentioned by BE a few weeks ago - I noticed Eastern (big "E") last week added a 4th daily Jetscream service on the route from January 10th so it must be a good 'un.
Where will everyone park at Leeds?
