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I think the MYT situation is worse in comparison and compulsory redundancies will be necessary given the numbers involved unfortunately.
The whole issue is not pleasant though and even though I left jmc before being pushed I still felt like I had been made redundant.........
I wish you all well.
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Haven't been on PPrune for a couple of years, but being down-route when we got the news, and having access to free web access, I thought there may be more news here than on Arena.
1. Very dissappointed that the company didn't even fax the official company announcement to the hotel. Nothing was apparantly afoot when we left the UK, and had it not been for 'phone contact with guys back at base,we would still be in ignorance (perhaps not a bad thing as it's taken the shine right off this trip).
2. Very heartened that we are highly thought of in the industry at large:- I just hope this translates to easy moves to pastures new for those affected.
Insh'alllah this will be the end of the bad news and morale will climb again.
Good luck to all my colleagues, and whatever the future holds, it has always been a pleasure working with you.
1. Very dissappointed that the company didn't even fax the official company announcement to the hotel. Nothing was apparantly afoot when we left the UK, and had it not been for 'phone contact with guys back at base,we would still be in ignorance (perhaps not a bad thing as it's taken the shine right off this trip).
2. Very heartened that we are highly thought of in the industry at large:- I just hope this translates to easy moves to pastures new for those affected.
Insh'alllah this will be the end of the bad news and morale will climb again.
Good luck to all my colleagues, and whatever the future holds, it has always been a pleasure working with you.
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Hope the company sticks to Seniority List/Last in first out, especially as it is the B757 guys that are longest serving in the company. That didn't happen at Dan Air, despite a written agreement with the company. Hopefully, the management is a cut above the BA managers who took over Dan. Regretably Balpa didn't shine, and it didn't help that 3500 of their BA members looked the other way while the deal was done.
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I hope that the MT management get on the blower to the FCA,TCUK,Britannia etc etc management and find the guys some jobs.
We at TCUK will need more pilots around March next year.... seems a perfect fit to me. As long as it is only FO's who join... as I don't think direct entry commands will be on the menu somehow.
We at TCUK will need more pilots around March next year.... seems a perfect fit to me. As long as it is only FO's who join... as I don't think direct entry commands will be on the menu somehow.
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Im away on a trip at the moment so have not seen anything offical apart from on Arena.. Have been told that they are looking to get rid of 160 cabin crew at Manchester this does not include sesonal... this is awful news. im gutted... :-(
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Flightrider,
Where did you hear that the DC10 was going to Air Scandic? I've heard references to this rumour over the past few days but haven't heard it from any reliable or official source. Are you just reporting the rumour or have you got any further info to support it (from Air Scandic for example)? MYT management are simply saying that it's going to be 'parked' from Nov 1st. Not sure what they're going to do with the long haul program that the DC10 was going to be doing this winter - I believe it was expected to be very busy like last year while the rest of the fleet is doing the Hajj. I've been told a Skyservice A330-300 is coming over again and I certainly hope it will be crewed by MYT pilots.
Where did you hear that the DC10 was going to Air Scandic? I've heard references to this rumour over the past few days but haven't heard it from any reliable or official source. Are you just reporting the rumour or have you got any further info to support it (from Air Scandic for example)? MYT management are simply saying that it's going to be 'parked' from Nov 1st. Not sure what they're going to do with the long haul program that the DC10 was going to be doing this winter - I believe it was expected to be very busy like last year while the rest of the fleet is doing the Hajj. I've been told a Skyservice A330-300 is coming over again and I certainly hope it will be crewed by MYT pilots.
Have now heard this from two reliable sources (albeit neither of them directly at Air Scandic). The plan for the DC10 apparently includes operating CT2's South Africa flying this winter given that the AV8 operation will no longer exist. Scandic's A300s are going in October as now finally due for the D Check.
MyTravel DC10 flying was originally planned to be mostly Montego Bay and one Sanford per week. Also haven't heard what the MYT reaction to the arrival of bmi on MAN-Las Vegas is going to be - apparently this was one of the few decent money-earners last winter.
MyTravel DC10 flying was originally planned to be mostly Montego Bay and one Sanford per week. Also haven't heard what the MYT reaction to the arrival of bmi on MAN-Las Vegas is going to be - apparently this was one of the few decent money-earners last winter.
Well, that's Leeds Bradford's MYT base finally up the Swannee (have I spelt that right), and Stansted as well I believe. SkyService doing the job at the moment but come November 1st that's it. I expect we'll see a mix of Spanish charter airlines and MyTravel 'w' sectors thru' the affected airports this winter.
Best of British luck to all pilots, cabin crew, engineers, support staff and all else affected. Hopefully we'll see you back within a year or two, if not summer 2005. All the best
Best of British luck to all pilots, cabin crew, engineers, support staff and all else affected. Hopefully we'll see you back within a year or two, if not summer 2005. All the best
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If it's true that the DC10 goes to Air Scandic our Flight Engineers may be OK as they're a pretty rare bunch nowadays. But presumably the pilots won't get a look in if Scandic are getting rid of their Airbuses at the same time. Are they planning on just training their A300 guys onto the DC10? Bet GECAT didn't think anyone else would be buying DC10 courses from them - they've probably thrown all the course material away (what material they had in the first place that is!)
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I was chatting to a friend this morning who said that the Chief Pilot stated exactly 2 months ago that he knew nothing about the fleet reductions and hinted towards the fact that it may happen in USA or Scandinavia.!!! Amazing that the CP know nothing about this ....
.... then of course the Fleet Manager Airbus resigned a few weeks ago, maybe a man who couldn't face tell the troops any more lies and b******t .
And then the announcement comes with exeactly 3 months to go to the reduction ... the same time a pilots notice!!!
Oh how to make your workforce feel good.
I hope the workforce that are concerned find better jobs and the management end up in McDonalds (fast food not avaition) frying chips, where there attitudes will not hurt folk.
Good Luck to all concerned.
JS
.... then of course the Fleet Manager Airbus resigned a few weeks ago, maybe a man who couldn't face tell the troops any more lies and b******t .
And then the announcement comes with exeactly 3 months to go to the reduction ... the same time a pilots notice!!!
Oh how to make your workforce feel good.
I hope the workforce that are concerned find better jobs and the management end up in McDonalds (fast food not avaition) frying chips, where there attitudes will not hurt folk.
Good Luck to all concerned.
JS
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Don't really see your point. The company have said no redundancy notices will be served before 1st November. As you say most pilots will be on 3 months notice, which will commence on the day notice is served. That's at least 6 months from the announcement to the first pilot leaving, or perhaps you'd rather the company had kept quiet and just served redundancy notices on 31st Oct.
Why do you find it so odd the CP new nothing? These decisions are made at high level, it's generally down to chief pilots and fleet managers to manage to fall-out. Personally I think the announcement has been handled fairly well by the company, considering how bad it is. As a plc the company are bound by certain laws when it comes to making such announcemnts. It's a just a shame that certain individuals feel they have some God-given right to be told before anybody else in the company!
Don't really see your point. The company have said no redundancy notices will be served before 1st November. As you say most pilots will be on 3 months notice, which will commence on the day notice is served. That's at least 6 months from the announcement to the first pilot leaving, or perhaps you'd rather the company had kept quiet and just served redundancy notices on 31st Oct.
Why do you find it so odd the CP new nothing? These decisions are made at high level, it's generally down to chief pilots and fleet managers to manage to fall-out. Personally I think the announcement has been handled fairly well by the company, considering how bad it is. As a plc the company are bound by certain laws when it comes to making such announcemnts. It's a just a shame that certain individuals feel they have some God-given right to be told before anybody else in the company!
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I think you will also find that a company can run the 90 day negotiation period alongside the 90 day notice period. From that perspective at least they didn't choose to do that.
PP
I think you will also find that a company can run the 90 day negotiation period alongside the 90 day notice period. From that perspective at least they didn't choose to do that.
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Don't tell MYT that the two periods can run concurrently! Having worked for them for a few years and witnessed the incompetence on a daily basis it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they didn't know that.
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Tell you what I think.....
There will be NO compulsary redundancies. These things will work out. A sh1t load of people will leave voluntarily to BA and VS etc, when it comes down to it, I would not be surprised if TC and FCA etc "borrowed" some for next summer to help out and by the end of that period, the redundancies will be mitigated. Some may join TC permanently I hope. At least it would stop training going on into August next year!
I hope my gut feeling is correct.
Shares now 6p... overvalued perhaps in the event of a debt for equity swap. And that WILL happen soon I promise. It is either that or the banks will pull out full stop, they need to protect their money and take control fully.
There will be NO compulsary redundancies. These things will work out. A sh1t load of people will leave voluntarily to BA and VS etc, when it comes down to it, I would not be surprised if TC and FCA etc "borrowed" some for next summer to help out and by the end of that period, the redundancies will be mitigated. Some may join TC permanently I hope. At least it would stop training going on into August next year!
I hope my gut feeling is correct.
Shares now 6p... overvalued perhaps in the event of a debt for equity swap. And that WILL happen soon I promise. It is either that or the banks will pull out full stop, they need to protect their money and take control fully.
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Big Tudor & PP,
Ref the notice period, my point is;
If you were told that your fleet was being dispanded and there were job cuts, wouldn't start looking for other work. By MyT only announcing the reduction with 3 months left they know that the pilots can't resign earlier and the company is left with no pilots to fly their planes .... but then again, isn't that already happening!!
Wheelbarrow.
My thought ... the banks will continue to make what they can by slowly selling anything of value till the company slowly disappears into the history books. As it is they take 15% of all sold assets as a "sweetner" for not pulling the plug earlier.
Why didn't they close it down earlier , maybe because they are underwriting the leases on MyT overpriced aircraft, that were signed by MyT managers, some of who were on the board of the lease companies. And they also know that no-one else wants 330's with downstairs toilets!!
As for the Golden Nugget 'MyTravellite' in BHX, now up against BmiBaby, I see they are going back to the routes they pulled out of before cos they couldn't make money on them... who is making the decsions, maybe they change as often as the company financial directors!!! So how long will they MyT continue to undercharge MyL for the aircraft so it can be seen to be making good?
IMHO ... of course.
As I said before, good luck to those concerned and will the last person please switch out the lights ... if they havn't been cut off for non-payment!
Time will tell, but midnight fast approaches!
Ref the notice period, my point is;
If you were told that your fleet was being dispanded and there were job cuts, wouldn't start looking for other work. By MyT only announcing the reduction with 3 months left they know that the pilots can't resign earlier and the company is left with no pilots to fly their planes .... but then again, isn't that already happening!!
Wheelbarrow.
My thought ... the banks will continue to make what they can by slowly selling anything of value till the company slowly disappears into the history books. As it is they take 15% of all sold assets as a "sweetner" for not pulling the plug earlier.
Why didn't they close it down earlier , maybe because they are underwriting the leases on MyT overpriced aircraft, that were signed by MyT managers, some of who were on the board of the lease companies. And they also know that no-one else wants 330's with downstairs toilets!!
As for the Golden Nugget 'MyTravellite' in BHX, now up against BmiBaby, I see they are going back to the routes they pulled out of before cos they couldn't make money on them... who is making the decsions, maybe they change as often as the company financial directors!!! So how long will they MyT continue to undercharge MyL for the aircraft so it can be seen to be making good?
IMHO ... of course.
As I said before, good luck to those concerned and will the last person please switch out the lights ... if they havn't been cut off for non-payment!
Time will tell, but midnight fast approaches!
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I understand know. Sorry, having a thick day. The prospect of being made redundant doesn't make for rational thought sometimes!
I guess, as a business decision, it is fairly sound though. No point planning aircraft to fly until end of summer if there ain't nobody to fly 'em. Having said that, I would imagine the company would avoid forcing guys to work their 3 months if they had a firm job to go to. Would be seen as being fairly petty.
Nor sure I agree with the doom and gloom about the future. It is well documented that there is an over capacity in the UK IT charter market. MYT have done their bit to remove some of that over-capacity and have, in the process, slimmed the business down to meet the reaslitic booking levels. As more and more people choose to make their own holiday plans, perhaps the pain that MYT is currently going through will also have to be experienced by other IT package suppliers. Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon for MYT after all. (there is no icon for praying but you get my drift)
I understand know. Sorry, having a thick day. The prospect of being made redundant doesn't make for rational thought sometimes!
I guess, as a business decision, it is fairly sound though. No point planning aircraft to fly until end of summer if there ain't nobody to fly 'em. Having said that, I would imagine the company would avoid forcing guys to work their 3 months if they had a firm job to go to. Would be seen as being fairly petty.
Nor sure I agree with the doom and gloom about the future. It is well documented that there is an over capacity in the UK IT charter market. MYT have done their bit to remove some of that over-capacity and have, in the process, slimmed the business down to meet the reaslitic booking levels. As more and more people choose to make their own holiday plans, perhaps the pain that MYT is currently going through will also have to be experienced by other IT package suppliers. Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon for MYT after all. (there is no icon for praying but you get my drift)
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John Smith: [MyTravelLite] are going back to the routes they pulled out of before cos they couldn't make money on them.
The only route that I can imagine you’re misguidedly talking about is BHX-TFS, which they only offer during winters (hence they ‘pulled out’ for S04). Other than that one route, I think you’re talking out of your bottom: they have recently launched ACE, LPA and IBZ, but have never had them before. And besides which, the TFS, ACE and LPA routes are now not actually being operated as VZ flights: just a case of Lite sensibly selling seats on MYT flights.
As for MyTravel Airways undercharging Lite for the aircraft, I very much doubt you have seen the figures.
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Many thanks for adding to the woes of those who are about to loose their jobs! I have little comment to make regarding your assertions other than think before you post!
Right now there are a lot of unhappy folks who have worked very hard through some tough times and may now be out of work. So words of support are in order not more forecasts of doom and gloom. You may think your being a realist and that’s fair enough but do us all a favour keep your thoughts to yourself for the time being and think about the impact this is having on those affected who will be reading everything being posted looking some good news, as there is not much of that a little support would be nice.
Show a little feeling and keep the speculation to yourself! As to the fleet manager, he was head hunted by another company! A good guy who has been offered a great opportunity which he would have been a fool to pass on even if times were different, not a rat leaving a sinking ship as you suggest. The CP probably knew nothing and if he did he would have been required to act appropriately which means keep his mouth shut until the plans we finalised it’s called being professional!
This was always going to happen the only surprise is it did not happen sooner but that I guess has been down to leasing contracts etc.
Many thanks for adding to the woes of those who are about to loose their jobs! I have little comment to make regarding your assertions other than think before you post!
Right now there are a lot of unhappy folks who have worked very hard through some tough times and may now be out of work. So words of support are in order not more forecasts of doom and gloom. You may think your being a realist and that’s fair enough but do us all a favour keep your thoughts to yourself for the time being and think about the impact this is having on those affected who will be reading everything being posted looking some good news, as there is not much of that a little support would be nice.
Show a little feeling and keep the speculation to yourself! As to the fleet manager, he was head hunted by another company! A good guy who has been offered a great opportunity which he would have been a fool to pass on even if times were different, not a rat leaving a sinking ship as you suggest. The CP probably knew nothing and if he did he would have been required to act appropriately which means keep his mouth shut until the plans we finalised it’s called being professional!
This was always going to happen the only surprise is it did not happen sooner but that I guess has been down to leasing contracts etc.