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BMIFOX......
I hope you quoted those destinations in your letters you have posted. The management cannot put it down to lack of interest, except maybe GRO when JET2.com have a daily service to BCN.
I think that the destinations you have mentioned for next year are not too much to ask, but will marketing pull their finger out. Christmas is the deadline, if they're to make a go of it.
Another area that could be exploited more is Bulgaria, BALKAN HOLIDAYS have been loyal to LBA for many years now. Bulgaria is becoming more and more popular and most of the main tour operators now offer flights there. (LBA-NOTE: from other airports) Many large hotel groups are now opening-up in bulgaria, RIU, IBERSTAR etc.
Mooncrest....
LBA in my eyes did everything possible last week. It was the worst rain I have ever known. I was told that even sand bags had been used in some areas to stop further water getting onto the runway. The floods, not uneque to the airport alone. Many local roads had been flooded including Bayton Lane, Low Lane, Scotland Lane and many other parts of Horsforth, Yeadon and Guiseley.
Just for the record TUI, the same night a tornado hit Doncaster and it wasn't of the RAF kind!!
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I think that the destinations you have mentioned for next year are not too much to ask, but will marketing pull their finger out. Christmas is the deadline, if they're to make a go of it.
Another area that could be exploited more is Bulgaria, BALKAN HOLIDAYS have been loyal to LBA for many years now. Bulgaria is becoming more and more popular and most of the main tour operators now offer flights there. (LBA-NOTE: from other airports) Many large hotel groups are now opening-up in bulgaria, RIU, IBERSTAR etc.
Mooncrest....
LBA in my eyes did everything possible last week. It was the worst rain I have ever known. I was told that even sand bags had been used in some areas to stop further water getting onto the runway. The floods, not uneque to the airport alone. Many local roads had been flooded including Bayton Lane, Low Lane, Scotland Lane and many other parts of Horsforth, Yeadon and Guiseley.
Just for the record TUI, the same night a tornado hit Doncaster and it wasn't of the RAF kind!!
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Well done BMIFOX.
For sure you are in the wrong job.
Alas, you will never be offered the position that we all have mind.
The reason?You know too much about the airline business.
wawkrk
For sure you are in the wrong job.
Alas, you will never be offered the position that we all have mind.
The reason?You know too much about the airline business.
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SHOCK...HORROR!!!
The marketing department are actually promoting some NEW flights from LBA to the Caribbean on the website! Well done to SR and the A team up there! That's the way to do it.
Shame they are not doing the same with Thomsons flights to LCA and LPA next summer which don't get a mention anywhere...not even on the out of date charters list which i think they have given up on to be honest!
The marketing department are actually promoting some NEW flights from LBA to the Caribbean on the website! Well done to SR and the A team up there! That's the way to do it.
Shame they are not doing the same with Thomsons flights to LCA and LPA next summer which don't get a mention anywhere...not even on the out of date charters list which i think they have given up on to be honest!
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A bit of context for the debate. The data supplied by NCL for July's passenger numbers (see the 'Some News fron Newcastle' thread) showed that they handled 253,000 passengers on IT flights alone. This is 10,000 more than LBA handled in total.
Interestingly, the number given for 'Low Cost International' at NCL is 85,465 which I presume is Easyjet + Ryanair + HLX.
Jet2 handled 90,000 at Leeds in total. So strip out their BFS numbers and add in Ryanair and hey presto, 98,000 passengers on low-cost international routes.
I think in a nutshell that rather sums up why there is so much frustration with the inability to develop a decent IT network out of Leeds. The average IT throughput is about 4 times smaller than NCL but from a catchment area that is much the same - as the similar numbers on low-cost international services brings to light.
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Interestingly, the number given for 'Low Cost International' at NCL is 85,465 which I presume is Easyjet + Ryanair + HLX.
Jet2 handled 90,000 at Leeds in total. So strip out their BFS numbers and add in Ryanair and hey presto, 98,000 passengers on low-cost international routes.
I think in a nutshell that rather sums up why there is so much frustration with the inability to develop a decent IT network out of Leeds. The average IT throughput is about 4 times smaller than NCL but from a catchment area that is much the same - as the similar numbers on low-cost international services brings to light.
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Well... you have all been stirring it up!
All LBA staff are now banned from viewing PPRUNE on company computers.
Several staff summoned to management and "interrogated" over recent postings.
All LBA staff are now banned from viewing PPRUNE on company computers.
Several staff summoned to management and "interrogated" over recent postings.
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Well let's face it. The only way the management are going to find out what is planned for LBA is to ask the staff!!!!
The should have tried a rather less aggressive method along time ago, A 'SUGGESTION BOX'.
The should have tried a rather less aggressive method along time ago, A 'SUGGESTION BOX'.
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Sadly that's far from the first time that LBA management has responded to public criticism by holding a quick witch-hunt and hauling a few staff over the coals (though I suppose witches should be put in the ducking stool).
"Any more talking to the outsiders and you're for the high jump" seems the standard line.
Addressing the cause of the criticism always seems like such a hard job doesn't it!
I think everyone posting on this thread wants LBA to succeed but we are frustrated by a perceived lack of action in key areas. Maybe a job for more effective public relations?
682.
Another area of disparity with NCL would be connections to London. In May 2004 NCL shifted a combined 86,750 passengers to LHR, LGW and STN. LBA only had 14,617 to LHR. Protecting and improving links to London from regional airports is under discussion by parliament currently I believe. LBA should have a lot to say on this issue.
PTH
Sadly that's far from the first time that LBA management has responded to public criticism by holding a quick witch-hunt and hauling a few staff over the coals (though I suppose witches should be put in the ducking stool).
"Any more talking to the outsiders and you're for the high jump" seems the standard line.
Addressing the cause of the criticism always seems like such a hard job doesn't it!
I think everyone posting on this thread wants LBA to succeed but we are frustrated by a perceived lack of action in key areas. Maybe a job for more effective public relations?
682.
Another area of disparity with NCL would be connections to London. In May 2004 NCL shifted a combined 86,750 passengers to LHR, LGW and STN. LBA only had 14,617 to LHR. Protecting and improving links to London from regional airports is under discussion by parliament currently I believe. LBA should have a lot to say on this issue.
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Are you still there BMIFOX..............????
I'm still here!!
It's a shame that the LBA management have to resort to gagging their staff. As mentioned, i'm sure that all who have posted on this thread have got LBAs interests at heart. One thing I am sure is that they have started to open their eyes a little more now.
*The revolving doors suddenly been fixed
*The 'retail walkway' has had it's windows cleaned
*The bubbling flooring has had more tape put down to cover it up
*Don't forget to replace the buckets, they're looking a bit full!!
The management have clearly shown to the airline world that they are running scared and not running a business as I first thought. I did think we lived in a democratic country? Obviously I was mistaken then.
Bring back the Berlin wall........and place it around LBA!!!
In case you've not noticed LBA. There is a new thread called 'LBA expansion 2' of which I have started. This is not a negative thread but at the moment there's hardly anything there.
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I'm still here!!
It's a shame that the LBA management have to resort to gagging their staff. As mentioned, i'm sure that all who have posted on this thread have got LBAs interests at heart. One thing I am sure is that they have started to open their eyes a little more now.
*The revolving doors suddenly been fixed
*The 'retail walkway' has had it's windows cleaned
*The bubbling flooring has had more tape put down to cover it up
*Don't forget to replace the buckets, they're looking a bit full!!
The management have clearly shown to the airline world that they are running scared and not running a business as I first thought. I did think we lived in a democratic country? Obviously I was mistaken then.
Bring back the Berlin wall........and place it around LBA!!!
In case you've not noticed LBA. There is a new thread called 'LBA expansion 2' of which I have started. This is not a negative thread but at the moment there's hardly anything there.
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So LBA is about 190,000 IT passengers behind NCL - an airport that has a similar sized catchment.
- MAN handles about 1 million IT pax per month.
- Previous studies / surveys have indicated that about 20-30% of MAN's throughput comes from Yorkshire.
- 190,000 is 19% of 1 million. This is the size of the opportunity for Leeds and still leaves plenty of room for Doncaster to claw back it's fair share from over the Pennines.
Ball park numbers granted, but that's what's going on. Banning people from discussing it won't make it go away.
loco
- MAN handles about 1 million IT pax per month.
- Previous studies / surveys have indicated that about 20-30% of MAN's throughput comes from Yorkshire.
- 190,000 is 19% of 1 million. This is the size of the opportunity for Leeds and still leaves plenty of room for Doncaster to claw back it's fair share from over the Pennines.
Ball park numbers granted, but that's what's going on. Banning people from discussing it won't make it go away.
loco
Been meeting lots of intresting people who want to know more!!!
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No offence, but hasnt it occurred to some of the LBA lovers that maybe some of these routes you suggest arent feasible at all from LBA?
Yes, its good to see LBA expand, but come on...with MAN and now Finningley opening, LBA aint gonna become much more than an LCC base (which Jet2 have made as a very good base from may I add)
Yes, its good to see LBA expand, but come on...with MAN and now Finningley opening, LBA aint gonna become much more than an LCC base (which Jet2 have made as a very good base from may I add)
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GrahamK -depends what you mean by 'feasible'. If you mean flights are not feasible because there isn't the demand to sustain them, then the answer is no. That particular point has been raised consistently in the thread, but in the case of any doubt, refer to section 5.4.3 of the Government's consultation paper on The Future Development of Air Transport in the United Kingdom (North of England) which states:
"There is substantial leakage of passengers from Yorkshire and the Humber to airports in other parts of the North of England, particularly Manchester and the South East. Although 53% of domestic passengers from Yorkshire and the Humber flew from Leeds Bradford, only 15% of international scheduled and 12% of international charter passengers did so"
So if the 60,000 charter passengers a month at Leeds is just 12% of the total, then the total volume of charter passengers generated in Yorkshire and Humberside is about 500,000 per month. From other sources, a crude breakdown of where these passengers actually are flying in or out of is:
60,000 - Leeds
40,000 - Humberside
300,000 - Manchester
60,000 - East Mids
40,000 - Other (South East, BHX, MME/NCL)
If you mean feasible in the sense, of profitability from the tour operator perspective, then that is more a valid point. It is acknowledged that it suits the tour operators to serve the bulk of the Yorks market from MAN (and there will no doubt be some of the 300,000 that are choosing MAN because it is more convenient or is cheaper). This is accepted, but equally most people believe that LBA (esp. given its 100% public ownership) should / could be doing more to claw back passengers from MAN. The recent comments by TUI (ironically enough from Bill Savage, ex MD of LBA) that regional airports should be doing more to lower charges to charter airlines are I think particularly valid in this debate.
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"There is substantial leakage of passengers from Yorkshire and the Humber to airports in other parts of the North of England, particularly Manchester and the South East. Although 53% of domestic passengers from Yorkshire and the Humber flew from Leeds Bradford, only 15% of international scheduled and 12% of international charter passengers did so"
So if the 60,000 charter passengers a month at Leeds is just 12% of the total, then the total volume of charter passengers generated in Yorkshire and Humberside is about 500,000 per month. From other sources, a crude breakdown of where these passengers actually are flying in or out of is:
60,000 - Leeds
40,000 - Humberside
300,000 - Manchester
60,000 - East Mids
40,000 - Other (South East, BHX, MME/NCL)
If you mean feasible in the sense, of profitability from the tour operator perspective, then that is more a valid point. It is acknowledged that it suits the tour operators to serve the bulk of the Yorks market from MAN (and there will no doubt be some of the 300,000 that are choosing MAN because it is more convenient or is cheaper). This is accepted, but equally most people believe that LBA (esp. given its 100% public ownership) should / could be doing more to claw back passengers from MAN. The recent comments by TUI (ironically enough from Bill Savage, ex MD of LBA) that regional airports should be doing more to lower charges to charter airlines are I think particularly valid in this debate.
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Just been looking at the websites for other Northern airports and their charter destinations for this Summer. MAN has flights to 79 airports for charter only flights, NCL has 44 charter destinations, NEMA has 40, LBA has 21
,LPL has 19, MME has 16, HUY has 15.
LBA should have at least 30 charter destinations to offer us! Don't forget i think we will loose 1 or 2 destinations for next year if we don't get our act together!!!
,LPL has 19, MME has 16, HUY has 15.LBA should have at least 30 charter destinations to offer us! Don't forget i think we will loose 1 or 2 destinations for next year if we don't get our act together!!!
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HUY has 16 destinations:
Palma
Mahon
Ibiza
Tenerife S
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Alicante
Malaga
Faro
Larnaca
Bodrum
Dalaman
Corfu
Heraklion
Bourgas
Jersey
Regards
Mike
Palma
Mahon
Ibiza
Tenerife S
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Alicante
Malaga
Faro
Larnaca
Bodrum
Dalaman
Corfu
Heraklion
Bourgas
Jersey
Regards
Mike
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Last winter for 09/27 at LBA
LIBA have now issued a consultation document to relevant parties with regard to the future of 09/27, the proposals are more or less a done deal and will see an additional 5 stands created in the infill between the Eastern apron and 27 threshold.
I understand that they require these stands for next years Loco (Summer)program.
Winter will also see another airline at LBA (Flying for bmi) with the arrival of Skyways Embraer 145, planned to do an early Paris and late Glasgow, no secrect about this one, its already on bmi booking website.
LBA a great place to work and fly, but i can't post from the office any more, cos there getting a bit upset up stairs, he he he
I understand that they require these stands for next years Loco (Summer)program.
Winter will also see another airline at LBA (Flying for bmi) with the arrival of Skyways Embraer 145, planned to do an early Paris and late Glasgow, no secrect about this one, its already on bmi booking website.
LBA a great place to work and fly, but i can't post from the office any more, cos there getting a bit upset up stairs, he he he
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If what is being said that the LBA management have been threatening posters on PPRuNe is true, be assured that your anonomity is safe. PPRuNe does not release details of anyone posting here.
If LBA have a problem perhaps they should address it instead of protesting that people who have the interests of the airport at heart are protesting!
Indeed, let them look here in PPRuNe. It is a hive of information about all aspects of aviation and if something is falling short in aviation it will. more than likely, appear here.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
If LBA have a problem perhaps they should address it instead of protesting that people who have the interests of the airport at heart are protesting!
Indeed, let them look here in PPRuNe. It is a hive of information about all aspects of aviation and if something is falling short in aviation it will. more than likely, appear here.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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LPL has 19 even worse!
Both LBA and LPL need to start fighting back at MAN, so many people in Yorkshire and Merseyside are forced to travel from MAN, despite having airports on their doorsteps!
Its time both airports made sure they got more business from airlines!
LBA would probably be best being taken over by a private company that will invest, just like Peel have done for LPL.
Although they don't appear to have done a great job at LPL arrivals, where are all the seats?! I was disgusted at the sight of seeing 100+ people standing around waiting, while all of the 9 or so seats in the area where taken up. Come on Peel invest in some more seating! It’s not too difficult!
All our regional airports have the potential to take back some of those passengers from Manchester, they just have to work at it and make the airport more desirable, come on boys and girls, we know you can do it!
even worse!Both LBA and LPL need to start fighting back at MAN, so many people in Yorkshire and Merseyside are forced to travel from MAN, despite having airports on their doorsteps!
Its time both airports made sure they got more business from airlines!
LBA would probably be best being taken over by a private company that will invest, just like Peel have done for LPL.
Although they don't appear to have done a great job at LPL arrivals, where are all the seats?! I was disgusted at the sight of seeing 100+ people standing around waiting, while all of the 9 or so seats in the area where taken up. Come on Peel invest in some more seating! It’s not too difficult!
All our regional airports have the potential to take back some of those passengers from Manchester, they just have to work at it and make the airport more desirable, come on boys and girls, we know you can do it!