Doncaster Finningley - South Yorks International..?
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Let us suppose for one minute the name is Doncaster International Airport. Where the hell is Doncaster Domestic Airport. To name the first indicates the second exists which it does not (used to but was destroyed). Humberside was and is a typical example of snobbish stupidity in calling itself "Humberside International" when no domestic airport exists. It just served to create a large jump in fees and NO BENEFIT TO ANYONE EXCEPT THE MANAGEMENT. Whatever the eventual name of Finningly the most important issue is to serve the people who will use it, operators/pilots/passengers.
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IATA ciode is DCS
Sir George Cayley wrote:
You will find that Doncaster already has an IATA code.
Not sure whether it is currently 'active', but I have it listed in my IATA code book as DCS (Finnigley/Doncaster), between DCR (Decatur, IN. USA) and DCT (Duncan Town, Rugged Island).
However, there is no ICAO code listed.
CG
Only slightly off topic but whilst pondering the name what about the 3 and 4 letter codes?
In RAF guise Finningly was the EGXI if I recall and it did'nt have a 3 letter code that I can find
So Peel have a chance to come up with, in conjuncton with the authorities, some new ones
Any suggestions for IATA ICAO and the CAA to consider
In RAF guise Finningly was the EGXI if I recall and it did'nt have a 3 letter code that I can find
So Peel have a chance to come up with, in conjuncton with the authorities, some new ones
Any suggestions for IATA ICAO and the CAA to consider
You will find that Doncaster already has an IATA code.
Not sure whether it is currently 'active', but I have it listed in my IATA code book as DCS (Finnigley/Doncaster), between DCR (Decatur, IN. USA) and DCT (Duncan Town, Rugged Island).
However, there is no ICAO code listed.
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Can we get to the point with this airport thing (airstrip!!)- will someone fly from there!! (apart from an EZE J31 to ABZ and an RYR 732 to DUB - if the price is right!!!)- we don't care.
A few days ago I walked onto this airsrip's runway for 1 hour (the Bawtry end for those who know (or care!!) - top security - not!!), falling over the cracked concrete and weeds, the RVR must have been about 150meters (possibly why I fooled them. What on earth is the big deal with this place. It is a supermarket carpark - or should be.
I was fooled by the top road connections (1hr 10mins from Leeds) - 15mins shorter than from MAN!!
The BY 767 in Summer 2004 at LBA and the re basing of an aircraft by Preusag TUI in winter 2004 is testamount of commitment to "Yorkshire's airport". Some what different from the big Donny threat 2 years ago. I thought Thomson were a big supporter of Finningley - and big LBA haters!!
(And Airtours were big suporters of Finningley- I say no more)
Flash in the pan !! Let's see...
Jet 2 maybe (on an LBA string..!! - I say no more)
Why has building been delayed by 6 months? Build the terminal to the first operator needs?... lets hope its not that Star Alliance, One World, Sky Team member - United/American/Continental. sorry.. sh$t.. it's Eastern.
Were is Doncaster to a German!!!! - or a Spanishman,
Italianman --- an Englishman!!
Large marketing budget- me thinks - just in this country!!
A few days ago I walked onto this airsrip's runway for 1 hour (the Bawtry end for those who know (or care!!) - top security - not!!), falling over the cracked concrete and weeds, the RVR must have been about 150meters (possibly why I fooled them. What on earth is the big deal with this place. It is a supermarket carpark - or should be.
I was fooled by the top road connections (1hr 10mins from Leeds) - 15mins shorter than from MAN!!
The BY 767 in Summer 2004 at LBA and the re basing of an aircraft by Preusag TUI in winter 2004 is testamount of commitment to "Yorkshire's airport". Some what different from the big Donny threat 2 years ago. I thought Thomson were a big supporter of Finningley - and big LBA haters!!
(And Airtours were big suporters of Finningley- I say no more)
Flash in the pan !! Let's see...
Jet 2 maybe (on an LBA string..!! - I say no more)
Why has building been delayed by 6 months? Build the terminal to the first operator needs?... lets hope its not that Star Alliance, One World, Sky Team member - United/American/Continental. sorry.. sh$t.. it's Eastern.
Were is Doncaster to a German!!!! - or a Spanishman,
Italianman --- an Englishman!!
Large marketing budget- me thinks - just in this country!!
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Bombardier
It is quite obvious that you don't like the idea of Finningley being developed. Could it be that you work at HUY or LBA ?
Well, tough. Whether you like it or not, it's happening. And it will affect LBA and HUY big style. Peel do not buy an airport to turn it into a 'supermarket car park'. I think Liverpool is proof of that. And as for IT carriers, they will move their flights to DCS when the facilities are in place. It woiuld certainly make sense as DCS plans to operate H24.
By the way, Eastern have nothing to gain by moving to DCS, as most of their traffic to ABZ arrives into HUY by helicopter. Unless the heli operation is also moved to DCS I am sure that Eastern will stay put at HUY.
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It is quite obvious that you don't like the idea of Finningley being developed. Could it be that you work at HUY or LBA ?
Well, tough. Whether you like it or not, it's happening. And it will affect LBA and HUY big style. Peel do not buy an airport to turn it into a 'supermarket car park'. I think Liverpool is proof of that. And as for IT carriers, they will move their flights to DCS when the facilities are in place. It woiuld certainly make sense as DCS plans to operate H24.
By the way, Eastern have nothing to gain by moving to DCS, as most of their traffic to ABZ arrives into HUY by helicopter. Unless the heli operation is also moved to DCS I am sure that Eastern will stay put at HUY.
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charterguy - why do you think it will it effect LBA and HUY 'big style'?
From what others have said on here, just about everyone in the DCS catchment area uses MAN and EMA at the moment.
Surely these airports would be the one's to loose out IF peel make a success out of it. I agree with Bombardier though, its still an 'IF' at this stage. Let's be honest, if we're talking about the ability to poach traffic from MAN [which is the real issue here] they've not exactly set the world on fire over LPL. And in contrast to LPL, DCS will be a much tougher nut to crack.
loco
BTW- since when have Eastern been using helicopters on their HUY-ABZ sectors?
From what others have said on here, just about everyone in the DCS catchment area uses MAN and EMA at the moment.
Surely these airports would be the one's to loose out IF peel make a success out of it. I agree with Bombardier though, its still an 'IF' at this stage. Let's be honest, if we're talking about the ability to poach traffic from MAN [which is the real issue here] they've not exactly set the world on fire over LPL. And in contrast to LPL, DCS will be a much tougher nut to crack.
loco
BTW- since when have Eastern been using helicopters on their HUY-ABZ sectors?
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Going loco wrote:
Never said they did. Many of their pax (offshore rig workers) arrive at HUY by helicopter, then fly Eastern to ABZ or vice versa. Think it's Scotia who operate the heli services.
CG
BTW- since when have Eastern been using helicopters on their HUY-ABZ sectors?
CG
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Charter guy, to answer your question I have no affilliation with LBA or HUY as I live in Germany, but I do however have to travel to West Yorkshire every couple of weeks. Therefore I know how difficult it can be to get there.
I would have no objection to Finningley - if Finningley was to become the airport to make Yorkshire accessible. It will not, it will only serve to dilute the existing infrastructure. Another low cost carrier in Yorkshire and a few IT's thrown in does not serve the needs of the International business community.
What Yorkshire needs is more airlines, not more "little" airports.
Finningley will be completely unable to attract "proper" airlines from Manchester in the same way that LBA, EMA and LPL have been unable (and out of those airports, LBA has definately the much better scheduled network). Do you see Lufthansa, Air France, KLM etc pulling capacity from Manchester to Doncaster?
Surely investment should go into developing existing aviation facilities. LBA needs a few things doing to it to solve its problems, nothing of which cannot be solved with correct investment.
I would have no objection to Finningley - if Finningley was to become the airport to make Yorkshire accessible. It will not, it will only serve to dilute the existing infrastructure. Another low cost carrier in Yorkshire and a few IT's thrown in does not serve the needs of the International business community.
What Yorkshire needs is more airlines, not more "little" airports.
Finningley will be completely unable to attract "proper" airlines from Manchester in the same way that LBA, EMA and LPL have been unable (and out of those airports, LBA has definately the much better scheduled network). Do you see Lufthansa, Air France, KLM etc pulling capacity from Manchester to Doncaster?
Surely investment should go into developing existing aviation facilities. LBA needs a few things doing to it to solve its problems, nothing of which cannot be solved with correct investment.
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Well said BombardierCRJ........ I Honestly believe the only traffic in the short to modium term likely to use Doncaster is the LOCOs and several charter operations. By the time Doncaster actualy looks like its a proper airport, the LBA I am sure will have ironed out most of its minor problems.
BMI Baby use MAN and EMA
Easyjet use EMA and LPL
Jet2 use LBA (and is commited to LBA)
Ryanair only serve DUB from LBA but the LBA-DUB is said to be its best route in the UK. I see Ryanair as the only operator that is left that could possibly use Doncaster.
I don't want to slip into the them v us talk. I would like to see Doncaster doing well but there is no point, if it is just at the expence of others and that I mean EMA and HBR. LBA is too far away.... people in the LBA catchment area that don't wish to (or cannot) use the LBA will just use services already from MAN.
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BMI Baby use MAN and EMA
Easyjet use EMA and LPL
Jet2 use LBA (and is commited to LBA)
Ryanair only serve DUB from LBA but the LBA-DUB is said to be its best route in the UK. I see Ryanair as the only operator that is left that could possibly use Doncaster.
I don't want to slip into the them v us talk. I would like to see Doncaster doing well but there is no point, if it is just at the expence of others and that I mean EMA and HBR. LBA is too far away.... people in the LBA catchment area that don't wish to (or cannot) use the LBA will just use services already from MAN.
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the place to be is the city of LEEDS!!!
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LBAir,
Whilst not wishing to be a "wet blanket" [or congenital liar/axe to grind/chip on shoulder, see Liverpool posts]
Leeds have 3 [and a bit] rotations. Liverpool have 3, Brum have 5 as do Manch.
How can one therefore say just which one is the best?
I say [yet] again , good luck to EVERY "Regional" Airport, and to all who [want to] fly from them
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
Whilst not wishing to be a "wet blanket" [or congenital liar/axe to grind/chip on shoulder, see Liverpool posts]
Leeds have 3 [and a bit] rotations. Liverpool have 3, Brum have 5 as do Manch.
How can one therefore say just which one is the best?
I say [yet] again , good luck to EVERY "Regional" Airport, and to all who [want to] fly from them
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Finningley
I can see only 2 types of service that would benefit from Finningley:
Low cost(Ryanair/easyjet??)
Surrounding area is quite densley populated and not well served by locos. LBA is on the wrong side of Leeds and not everyone wants to travel over the Pennines to MAN. IMO Ryanair is the obvious candidate but an Easyjet base is also possible. I am suprised that no low cost services are offered from HUY; the holiday flights seem to do well and the choice of destination increases every year.
Long haul charter
Runway length would permit long haul charters. At last an alternative to MAN in the North.
One area where Finningley will have a big advantage over LBA is access. I have used LBA 4/5 times and whilst the facilities have improved in recent years, access is appalling for an International airport. Fine if you live within 10 miles but a pain if travelling from outside the immediate area. With motorways and fast dual carriageways to the South and East of Leeds, why was the airport built to the Northwest of the city??
Low cost(Ryanair/easyjet??)
Surrounding area is quite densley populated and not well served by locos. LBA is on the wrong side of Leeds and not everyone wants to travel over the Pennines to MAN. IMO Ryanair is the obvious candidate but an Easyjet base is also possible. I am suprised that no low cost services are offered from HUY; the holiday flights seem to do well and the choice of destination increases every year.
Long haul charter
Runway length would permit long haul charters. At last an alternative to MAN in the North.
One area where Finningley will have a big advantage over LBA is access. I have used LBA 4/5 times and whilst the facilities have improved in recent years, access is appalling for an International airport. Fine if you live within 10 miles but a pain if travelling from outside the immediate area. With motorways and fast dual carriageways to the South and East of Leeds, why was the airport built to the Northwest of the city??
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I live somewhere close to Bawtry.
Two weeks ago I had to travel to Manchester airport on two occasions. Both times this took me 2 hours give or take 5 mins. The main problem being the A629 Woodhead pass, slow with every HGV not duelling on the A1 M1 M62 there. A57 closed due to landslide. M62 accidents every 10 miles or so according to the traf rep. Distance 74 miles.
Tonight I have to go to LHR, 170 miles approx, journey time in the region of two and a half hours.
I could travel to Finningley in 15 mins from home... 10 Miles.
As long as all the services are available, I know where I would rather fly from, probably the same as the rest of the population who live this side of the pennines.
If you fly over the local area, you will see that there is a clear way through from the M18 to Finningley. My guess? There will be an M18 spur road straight through! Oh, and there is a live BR link a mile away from the airfield. Could it be better served by road or rail???
As for the name... My guess is RAF FINNINGLEY is on the cards... all the local traffic signs recently replaced and the RAF FINNINGLEY signs were there!!
Two weeks ago I had to travel to Manchester airport on two occasions. Both times this took me 2 hours give or take 5 mins. The main problem being the A629 Woodhead pass, slow with every HGV not duelling on the A1 M1 M62 there. A57 closed due to landslide. M62 accidents every 10 miles or so according to the traf rep. Distance 74 miles.
Tonight I have to go to LHR, 170 miles approx, journey time in the region of two and a half hours.
I could travel to Finningley in 15 mins from home... 10 Miles.
As long as all the services are available, I know where I would rather fly from, probably the same as the rest of the population who live this side of the pennines.
If you fly over the local area, you will see that there is a clear way through from the M18 to Finningley. My guess? There will be an M18 spur road straight through! Oh, and there is a live BR link a mile away from the airfield. Could it be better served by road or rail???
As for the name... My guess is RAF FINNINGLEY is on the cards... all the local traffic signs recently replaced and the RAF FINNINGLEY signs were there!!
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True, it will be much easier for people from Leeds/Sheffield/North East England to get to Finningley than to Manchester.
But why are you all concentrating on passenger airlines?
I suspect its main use will be for freight:
long runway
excellent road connections - M1, M18, can avoid Birmingham
excellent rail - fast east coast line
very cheap labour force (ground staff)- area hit very hard by pit closures
cheap housing - see above
no complaints - see above; thousands of local people signed a petition FOR the development of the airport
But why are you all concentrating on passenger airlines?
I suspect its main use will be for freight:
long runway
excellent road connections - M1, M18, can avoid Birmingham
excellent rail - fast east coast line
very cheap labour force (ground staff)- area hit very hard by pit closures
cheap housing - see above
no complaints - see above; thousands of local people signed a petition FOR the development of the airport
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On the original subject of the post, I gather that Peel are in talks with several US airlines, particularly Continental.
Peel it seems have a firm belief in direct US sheduled flights to serve East of the Pennines and even 5th/6th freedom onto Eastern Europe!
I guess though that the success of Finningley may mean that Sheffield's airport becomes an industrial estate or business park - afterall, that's what Peel specialise in.
Peel it seems have a firm belief in direct US sheduled flights to serve East of the Pennines and even 5th/6th freedom onto Eastern Europe!
I guess though that the success of Finningley may mean that Sheffield's airport becomes an industrial estate or business park - afterall, that's what Peel specialise in.
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Why dont we use PEE as its three letter code......its gonna be big and piss all over LBA and HUY...........wait (not for much longer and see)........
'scuse the punctuation - its past my bedtime!
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Piss all over LBA & HUY,,,, don't talk out of your buttocks man, I'll put money on Finningly never coming off,,,,,
CHEERS!!!!!!!
LBAir.
Just curiouse to know where HBR is?????
CHEERS!!!!!
CHEERS!!!!!!!
LBAir.
Just curiouse to know where HBR is?????
CHEERS!!!!!
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What on earth were they thinking...
Sadly, RAF Finningley will now be known as... wait for it...
Robin Hood, Doncaster and Sheffield International Airport.
Whats that all about then? Thought it was in South Yorkshire?
Ahhh, I see, Robin Hood had heard about the Donny lassies too.
Sadly, RAF Finningley will now be known as... wait for it...
Robin Hood, Doncaster and Sheffield International Airport.
Whats that all about then? Thought it was in South Yorkshire?
Ahhh, I see, Robin Hood had heard about the Donny lassies too.