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May have been in error or a slip up but showing on Luton's departure board for tomorrow from around 6.55, 7.30 etc, NWX flight nos showing flights to Munich, Brussels & Lisbon. Could this be the first proper clue to some of Now's intended destinations.
Don't think so - no sign of Munich. Current plan looks to be a start date of 11 December with two aircraft, adding a third on 01Feb and fourth on 01Mar. The route plan appears to be:
Brussels 4 daily from 11Dec with 5th daily from 01Mar
Schedule 0600, 0820, 1345 (fm 01Mar), 1615 and 1950
Rotterdam 2 x daily from 01Feb
Schedule 0700 and 1630 off LTN
Lisbon 1 x daily from 01Feb
Schedule 1005 off LTN
Bordeaux 1 x daily from 11Dec with 2nd daily from 01Feb
Schedule 0910, 1920 (from 01Feb) off LTN
Stockholm Arlanda 2 x daily from 01Mar
Schedule 0710 and 1655 off LTN
Almeria 1 x daily from 11Dec
Schedule 1735 off LTN
Valencia 1 x daily from 11Dec
Schedule 1135 off LTN
A/c operate
No1 from 11Dec - BRU, BOD, BRU, BRU
No2 from 11Dec - BRU, VLC, LEI
No3 from 01Feb - RTM, LIS, RTM, BOD
No4 from 01Mar - ARN, BRU, ARN
I cannot begin to imagine how bad the 22:30 return departure off BRU will be as the return leg of the 19:50 LTN-BRU service.
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Brussels 4 daily from 11Dec with 5th daily from 01Mar
Schedule 0600, 0820, 1345 (fm 01Mar), 1615 and 1950
Rotterdam 2 x daily from 01Feb
Schedule 0700 and 1630 off LTN
Lisbon 1 x daily from 01Feb
Schedule 1005 off LTN
Bordeaux 1 x daily from 11Dec with 2nd daily from 01Feb
Schedule 0910, 1920 (from 01Feb) off LTN
Stockholm Arlanda 2 x daily from 01Mar
Schedule 0710 and 1655 off LTN
Almeria 1 x daily from 11Dec
Schedule 1735 off LTN
Valencia 1 x daily from 11Dec
Schedule 1135 off LTN
A/c operate
No1 from 11Dec - BRU, BOD, BRU, BRU
No2 from 11Dec - BRU, VLC, LEI
No3 from 01Feb - RTM, LIS, RTM, BOD
No4 from 01Mar - ARN, BRU, ARN
I cannot begin to imagine how bad the 22:30 return departure off BRU will be as the return leg of the 19:50 LTN-BRU service.
Cheers
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Flightrider Obviously an insider of NOW or LTN Airport, as the website still says, well, nothing actually 
What's wrong with the BRU schedule? Seems ok to me, assuming timings are based on local. 
What's wrong with the BRU schedule? Seems ok to me, assuming timings are based on local.
I'm pleased to say I'm an insider of neither of the organisations you state, but if Now want to keep their route plans secret then they should make sure that info of this nature doesn't go into a semi-public domain otherwise it's bound to end up here (as it just has).
The problem with the BRU schedule? As I see it:
06:00 off LTN to BRU is very early but should be passable
08:20 off LTN to BRU is a bit late - gets you into BRU at 10:30 local
13:45 off LTN to BRU - not a good time for business or leisure
16:15 off LTN to BRU - probably too early for any BRU incoming pax to return from LON for the flight
19:50 off LTN to BRU - too late
08:45 off BRU to LTN probably be OK
11:00 off BRU to LTN - not a good time
16:30 off BRU to LTN will probably be OK
18:55 off BRU to LTN - good time
22:30 off BRU to LTN - might as well be an empty positioning sector
So, out of ten sectors a day, only three or four are at decent timings for business travellers. Brussels doesn't have anything like the leisure travel market that you find on Amsterdam or Paris; if you were doing this schedule on AMS then I think you'd get away with it, but running it on BRU where you don't have much of a leisure market will make it difficult to fill those off-peak sectors.
The problem with the BRU schedule? As I see it:
06:00 off LTN to BRU is very early but should be passable
08:20 off LTN to BRU is a bit late - gets you into BRU at 10:30 local
13:45 off LTN to BRU - not a good time for business or leisure
16:15 off LTN to BRU - probably too early for any BRU incoming pax to return from LON for the flight
19:50 off LTN to BRU - too late
08:45 off BRU to LTN probably be OK
11:00 off BRU to LTN - not a good time
16:30 off BRU to LTN will probably be OK
18:55 off BRU to LTN - good time
22:30 off BRU to LTN - might as well be an empty positioning sector
So, out of ten sectors a day, only three or four are at decent timings for business travellers. Brussels doesn't have anything like the leisure travel market that you find on Amsterdam or Paris; if you were doing this schedule on AMS then I think you'd get away with it, but running it on BRU where you don't have much of a leisure market will make it difficult to fill those off-peak sectors.
Since the secret's out, I guess it won't be long before Now opens for bookings. They have done well to keep it quiet this long.
Some thoughts:
BRU - not sure, with the speeded-up Eurostar. Also, EU beauraucrats fly Gravy Train Airlines at massive cost whenever possible.
LIS & VLC - both on the original list. One a day is probably sustainable on each.
RTM - does anyone else go there? Is it a thick enough route for 2 737s a day?
BOD & LEI - both stalwarts of flybe, but not from the south-east. Could be very sensible in view of the number of Brits with houses in these areas.
ARN - a surprise one. FR flies to 'Stockholm' NYO (3 daily) & VST (2) from STN, so there is presumably a demand from the city itself.
Whether I'm right or wrong, I wish them well
Some thoughts:
BRU - not sure, with the speeded-up Eurostar. Also, EU beauraucrats fly Gravy Train Airlines at massive cost whenever possible.
LIS & VLC - both on the original list. One a day is probably sustainable on each.
RTM - does anyone else go there? Is it a thick enough route for 2 737s a day?
BOD & LEI - both stalwarts of flybe, but not from the south-east. Could be very sensible in view of the number of Brits with houses in these areas.
ARN - a surprise one. FR flies to 'Stockholm' NYO (3 daily) & VST (2) from STN, so there is presumably a demand from the city itself.
Whether I'm right or wrong, I wish them well
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Short item on BBC lookeast news last night.
www.bbc.co.uk/lookeast
Budget airlines delays launch again due delay in receiving AOC.
www.bbc.co.uk/lookeast
Budget airlines delays launch again due delay in receiving AOC.
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NOW have really done their homework! NOT. If you launch a new brand, you make sure you have your brand covered, and that includes registering the right domain names, including those that passengers are likely to try when searching for your company, such as www.nowairlines.com or www.flynow.com!!! Fact, neither of these takes you to their website. 
NOW airlines is actually another carrier in the process of being set up in the US. You will find their website at www.nowairlines.com.
So where can we find NOW's website ? www.notnow.com ?
CG
PS: Their CEO's face looks familiar. Ex Transjet Sweden ??
NOW airlines is actually another carrier in the process of being set up in the US. You will find their website at www.nowairlines.com.
Now Airlines US is a work-in-progress, this page is a holding page for a revolutionary new idea in travel.
Unlike traditional airlines and those other "low-cost" airlines, Now Airlines will base it's flights out of a smaller,
regional airports around the US.
We expect to launch our services initally in the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest, with expansion plans that will eventually grow to all 50 states.
For more information, please contact:
Now Airlines US
Attn: Aaron Moreau-Cook
15817 NE 90th Street - E136
Redmond, WA 98052
[email protected]
Unlike traditional airlines and those other "low-cost" airlines, Now Airlines will base it's flights out of a smaller,
regional airports around the US.
We expect to launch our services initally in the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest, with expansion plans that will eventually grow to all 50 states.
For more information, please contact:
Now Airlines US
Attn: Aaron Moreau-Cook
15817 NE 90th Street - E136
Redmond, WA 98052
[email protected]
CG
PS: Their CEO's face looks familiar. Ex Transjet Sweden ??
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Guess what, www.nowairlines.co.uk is also gone, to the same US outfit. They are either planning to expand across the pond, or they are cybersquatters ! ?
And www.nowfly.com is owned by Delhi airport.
Anyone any suggestions as to where one can find their website, NOW Luton that is !!!
CG
And www.nowfly.com is owned by Delhi airport.
Anyone any suggestions as to where one can find their website, NOW Luton that is !!!
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www.now-airlines.com
Much tidier than the other permutations and is well and truly up and running with regular hits so can't be that difficult to find.
I just did a search on Yahoo! for it and came up with both .co and .co.uk so I really think the critism is unfounded.
Much tidier than the other permutations and is well and truly up and running with regular hits so can't be that difficult to find.
I just did a search on Yahoo! for it and came up with both .co and .co.uk so I really think the critism is unfounded.
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Ttree Ttrimmer
now-airlines.com may be tidy, but not as tidy as nowairlines.com,
and even less tidy than flynow.com.
The only reason 'now-airlines' comes up tops in the search engines, is because the other outfit hasn't launched a website yet.
My point was, that you don't use an online brand, unless you own all domain variations of the brand, effectively preventing others from exploiting your goodwill (once it has been created).
I still maintain that this is a case of bad brand management. But then, that's what happens when airlines are being set up by pilots. They know how to fly aircraft but, more often than not, very little about marketing and branding.
On a final note, would you type easy-jet.com, ezyjet.com, easijet.com or esyjet.com when you wish to book on easyjet ? Of course not. But the point is, Stelios made sure that all these domains are owned by the company and redirected to easyjet's main website.
I think that proves the point for NOW ?
CG
now-airlines.com may be tidy, but not as tidy as nowairlines.com,
and even less tidy than flynow.com.
The only reason 'now-airlines' comes up tops in the search engines, is because the other outfit hasn't launched a website yet.
My point was, that you don't use an online brand, unless you own all domain variations of the brand, effectively preventing others from exploiting your goodwill (once it has been created).
I still maintain that this is a case of bad brand management. But then, that's what happens when airlines are being set up by pilots. They know how to fly aircraft but, more often than not, very little about marketing and branding.
On a final note, would you type easy-jet.com, ezyjet.com, easijet.com or esyjet.com when you wish to book on easyjet ? Of course not. But the point is, Stelios made sure that all these domains are owned by the company and redirected to easyjet's main website.
I think that proves the point for NOW ?
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And what was Go’s web site? www.go.com or www.go.co.uk Don’t think so, and they had no trouble attracting passengers
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And how many people do a search direct from the address bar? Very few I think. Most use a reputable search engine and possibly as many get emailed the link by a friend recommending the above average service NOW will be offering.
flynow.com is not as likely to be returned after a search string based on Now Airlines because it is missing a vital part of the company title. No demarkation between the 2 words is also difficult to read and even more difficult to type as you have to concentrate on the correct spelling and check each letter where as using the hypen allows a simple glance to confirm correct typing. Tidier and more direct hits rather than lost souls heading to the US sites before gettting where they want to be.
You sound as cynical as JMC-boy.....Could this be yet another alter-ego?
flynow.com is not as likely to be returned after a search string based on Now Airlines because it is missing a vital part of the company title. No demarkation between the 2 words is also difficult to read and even more difficult to type as you have to concentrate on the correct spelling and check each letter where as using the hypen allows a simple glance to confirm correct typing. Tidier and more direct hits rather than lost souls heading to the US sites before gettting where they want to be.
You sound as cynical as JMC-boy.....Could this be yet another alter-ego?
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Ttree Ttrimmer,
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there are a lot more cynics out here in the industry than you think, mostly because of the haphazard way in which this team are attempting to start an airline, and no amount of Yahoo-ing by newly recruited employees will change that, I'm afraid.
As I said above, someone has planned and requested from the CAA an AOC proving flight for October 17th, without an aircraft being available to fly it. Furthermore if it went ahead on that date, and the first flight was on December 13th, then there is a cost of approx £500,000 to have an aircraft and crew sitting around doing nothing for that period. And with plenty of capacity in the ad hoc market, the chances of picking up work are nil.
Nothing I have seen so far gives me much confidence that these people know what they are doing. The exception is almoist certainly the Pilot Training department, and , not mentioned anywhere so far, the ex GO Director who is acting in a consultancy basis. I assume he's getting paid for his time up front.
As for the routes, there has already been discussion on here , :-
Brussels - no leisure market, tried by VEX from STN without success
Rotterdam - absolute madness
Stockholm - up against the Ryans
Lisbon - tried by GO for three years without success
Munich - cost GO a lot of money to try this one. May work during the winter ski season , if they can get advertising
Almeria and Valencia - over capacity in that whole market at the moment, with all the Charter boys trying to hold market share.
My tuppence worth.....
( Pleas guys, by all means thrash my views, but again please try to avoid personal insults, it just weakens your arguments)
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there are a lot more cynics out here in the industry than you think, mostly because of the haphazard way in which this team are attempting to start an airline, and no amount of Yahoo-ing by newly recruited employees will change that, I'm afraid.
As I said above, someone has planned and requested from the CAA an AOC proving flight for October 17th, without an aircraft being available to fly it. Furthermore if it went ahead on that date, and the first flight was on December 13th, then there is a cost of approx £500,000 to have an aircraft and crew sitting around doing nothing for that period. And with plenty of capacity in the ad hoc market, the chances of picking up work are nil.
Nothing I have seen so far gives me much confidence that these people know what they are doing. The exception is almoist certainly the Pilot Training department, and , not mentioned anywhere so far, the ex GO Director who is acting in a consultancy basis. I assume he's getting paid for his time up front.
As for the routes, there has already been discussion on here , :-
Brussels - no leisure market, tried by VEX from STN without success
Rotterdam - absolute madness
Stockholm - up against the Ryans
Lisbon - tried by GO for three years without success
Munich - cost GO a lot of money to try this one. May work during the winter ski season , if they can get advertising
Almeria and Valencia - over capacity in that whole market at the moment, with all the Charter boys trying to hold market share.
My tuppence worth.....
( Pleas guys, by all means thrash my views, but again please try to avoid personal insults, it just weakens your arguments)
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For what it's worth, I think the CAA proving flight is on 13th October and the first revenue flight is planned for 11th December.
As for route selection, I'm not sure BRU will be a winner although it has been operated from LTN before, with London European and a J31 operator who's name escapes me. Both were back in the days when locos were'nt even heard of, although load factors were fairly high. Could prove popular with businesses who wish to keep their costs down when sending people for meetings etc. MUC was popular when Debonair operated it from LTN but the timings weren't that good. LIS has not been flown on a scheduled basis from LTN (Go as we know flew it from STN). ARN is not flown from LTN by RYR so we'll wait and see on that one. LEI and VLC, again, not flown by any loco from LTN so it could prove popular with ex-pats who don't wish to pay higher prices of the non loco operators. Anyway, has the timetable actually been firmed up with these destinations?
As for advertising, I wonder if NOW will use local radio stations to get the word about? Efficient means of advertising and reaching a very wide population.
I see the first 2 aircraft are at STN undergoing maintenance
As for route selection, I'm not sure BRU will be a winner although it has been operated from LTN before, with London European and a J31 operator who's name escapes me. Both were back in the days when locos were'nt even heard of, although load factors were fairly high. Could prove popular with businesses who wish to keep their costs down when sending people for meetings etc. MUC was popular when Debonair operated it from LTN but the timings weren't that good. LIS has not been flown on a scheduled basis from LTN (Go as we know flew it from STN). ARN is not flown from LTN by RYR so we'll wait and see on that one. LEI and VLC, again, not flown by any loco from LTN so it could prove popular with ex-pats who don't wish to pay higher prices of the non loco operators. Anyway, has the timetable actually been firmed up with these destinations?
As for advertising, I wonder if NOW will use local radio stations to get the word about? Efficient means of advertising and reaching a very wide population.
I see the first 2 aircraft are at STN undergoing maintenance
