Senegal airlines a320 crash in bamako
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i love your comments defending our fellows ex rk except you claim ethiopian airline is using A320 sim, I doubt
Else RK was the best of west Africa but now talking about Senegal airlines, there is no matching criteria
Else RK was the best of west Africa but now talking about Senegal airlines, there is no matching criteria
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Avogrado good point I was just about to raise it before I saw your post.
Judge11 I think you are judging our "less developped aviation" too quickly. Mistakes of not going around have nothing to do with whatever area of the world you're flying. Did American airlines 737 go around in Kingston? Did Air France A 340 go around in Toronto? No. They were flown by supposedly very experienced pilots from the more developped world, some ex army guys, some from a very reputed school called ENAC. Still, they broke both planes, which were then written off. (Senegal Airlines did not damage theirs). There were nevertheless similarities in these crashes; bad weather, heavy rainfall or snowfall, therefore contaminated runway, but also touchdown way beyond TDZ, reversers not deployed sufficiently fast enough, etc.
Judge11 I think you are judging our "less developped aviation" too quickly. Mistakes of not going around have nothing to do with whatever area of the world you're flying. Did American airlines 737 go around in Kingston? Did Air France A 340 go around in Toronto? No. They were flown by supposedly very experienced pilots from the more developped world, some ex army guys, some from a very reputed school called ENAC. Still, they broke both planes, which were then written off. (Senegal Airlines did not damage theirs). There were nevertheless similarities in these crashes; bad weather, heavy rainfall or snowfall, therefore contaminated runway, but also touchdown way beyond TDZ, reversers not deployed sufficiently fast enough, etc.
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No forever , same causes for an air landing crash. BKO ILS is regularly checked by the technical aircraft of Asecna following the other Asecna airports. Air Senegal Pilots have a great experience. The majority come from Air Afrique . Air Afrique had a very good performance regards to the security. All flights were analyzed with the SFIM and the corrective measures immediately implemented going until the retrogression of the Commander. This company, during its 40 years knew some incident like any company. We heard about a severe tail strike in Johannesburg with the same captain . However, this company has ceased its flights for 10 years. Pilots everywhere, working in some companies without any control, having new personal experiences and completely missing CRM with a no known aircraft for all. Oh! , I have 10.000 hours of flight, one knows Bamako, one knows the line, etc.
Maybe a new Habshein ? will see after investigation , if !!!!!!
Maybe a new Habshein ? will see after investigation , if !!!!!!
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papsifo - I made that post for two reasons: the first is because of the never ending sequence of reports of overruns that are happening in Asia and Africa (NA and Europe aren't immune but you are top of the charts by any measure) because of the reluctance to throw away the approach and the second is the still prevalent trait in many parts (which has been largely expunged in NA and Europe) of FOs failing to challenge the captain's authority. What on earth was the FO doing, or saying, as the aircraft drifted 4000' feet down the runway- not is his job, that's for sure. I realise a major culture change is required but it's either that or keep the body bag suppliers in business.
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they just don't know ****
no sim check,no interview,most of the pilot dont understand english
i remember one day they were clear at 11000ft for traffic separation and we were clear at 10000ft"so the tower was like "senegal 5 traffic at 1000ft below clear level,and one of the pilot was like"whats the altitude of the other traffic"
im like wtf
no sim check,no interview,most of the pilot dont understand english
i remember one day they were clear at 11000ft for traffic separation and we were clear at 10000ft"so the tower was like "senegal 5 traffic at 1000ft below clear level,and one of the pilot was like"whats the altitude of the other traffic"
im like wtf
yes got couple friends that are done with their airbus training in toulouse
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According to my source, and it's a good one, the pilots in question were the chief pilot and an experienced f/o. No names.
Clearly, in all that accumulated experience and hours they missed the lesson on 'when to go around' was missed.
You guys in the less developed aviation world have got to learn that there is no, I repeat no, problem in going-around; there is no place or any prizes for macho heroics and 'get in at any price' mentalities.
You guys in the less developed aviation world have got to learn that there is no, I repeat no, problem in going-around; there is no place or any prizes for macho heroics and 'get in at any price' mentalities.
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i think some stats would be needed to back your arguments.
on the top of my head i can remember air france accident in toronto and american airlines accident in kingston . may be those pilots were from less developped world .
I do agree that in africa which i am familiar with accident record is very poor
however the kind of comments you made are not making any valid point for me .
In order to analize overruns pilot culture is not enough you should compare infrastructure (runway length, EPAS etc ) as well and weather in order to come up with something more solid .
i think some stats would be needed to back your arguments.
on the top of my head i can remember air france accident in toronto and american airlines accident in kingston . may be those pilots were from less developped world .
I do agree that in africa which i am familiar with accident record is very poor
however the kind of comments you made are not making any valid point for me .
In order to analize overruns pilot culture is not enough you should compare infrastructure (runway length, EPAS etc ) as well and weather in order to come up with something more solid .
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Senegal a320 bamako pics
Hi All,
ive the pics of the evacuation of the A320, that was taken on the moment the airplane was evacuating, but i dont know how to put it here or to post it
cest dommage, c'est un bel appareil!!!!
ive the pics of the evacuation of the A320, that was taken on the moment the airplane was evacuating, but i dont know how to put it here or to post it
cest dommage, c'est un bel appareil!!!!
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Let us talk facts :
English level 4 is lowest grade for English level with which an pilot can fly as we know below that level your ATPL will not be renewed , there are level 5 and level 6 which are a bit stronger then level 4 .
Number of hours in log book does not guarantee safe operation if you dig in past crash accident data most of pilots involved had a lot of hours .
Pilots flying that aircraft where low experianced on A320 means less then 500 h on type for sure .
It was not a crash but an runway overrun from which all PAX left airplane safe .
Senegal Airlines has some very good pilot's and worldwide experianced but at same time has majority pilot's who never flown A320 or are very inexperianced on A320 .
Question we should ask are :
Was approach stabelised ?
maybe
Why there was no MED autobrake selection on wet runway of 1200 ft elevation with tailwind on 2700 m runway on max landing weight ?
At which altitude was threshold overflown ?
If it was high why no one called for missed approach procedure ?
Is that a first incidednt of that crew ?
Did safety office ever call any pilot into office for braking any rules ?
Was landing long or in touch down zone ?
When you know answers on this question then you can know reason fwhy overrun happen and then you can take corrective action to prevent it .
By the end we are all human and it can happen to anyone
English level 4 is lowest grade for English level with which an pilot can fly as we know below that level your ATPL will not be renewed , there are level 5 and level 6 which are a bit stronger then level 4 .
Number of hours in log book does not guarantee safe operation if you dig in past crash accident data most of pilots involved had a lot of hours .
Pilots flying that aircraft where low experianced on A320 means less then 500 h on type for sure .
It was not a crash but an runway overrun from which all PAX left airplane safe .
Senegal Airlines has some very good pilot's and worldwide experianced but at same time has majority pilot's who never flown A320 or are very inexperianced on A320 .
Question we should ask are :
Was approach stabelised ?
maybe
Why there was no MED autobrake selection on wet runway of 1200 ft elevation with tailwind on 2700 m runway on max landing weight ?
At which altitude was threshold overflown ?
If it was high why no one called for missed approach procedure ?
Is that a first incidednt of that crew ?
Did safety office ever call any pilot into office for braking any rules ?
Was landing long or in touch down zone ?
When you know answers on this question then you can know reason fwhy overrun happen and then you can take corrective action to prevent it .
By the end we are all human and it can happen to anyone
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Bad decision. They should have stuck with the Boeings just like everyone else down here!
Mali: Atterrissage hors piste d'un avion de Sénégal Airlines . L'adresse et la lucidité du pilote remises en cause, les nigériens toujours bloqués à Bamako .
Bamako - Le pire a été évité de justesse. Le vol DN003 de la compagnie aérienne Sénégal Airlines a raté son atterrissage hier à l’aéroport de Bamako-Senou. Au lieu de poser l’appareil sur la piste, le pilote a fait une sortie de piste et s’est tout simplement dirigé vers la boue. Pour cause, l’aviateur a commencé son atterrissage au milieu de la piste, renseigne Alioune Badara Sall, un des passagers. Il trouve que c’est ‘un signe de maladresse ou un manque de lucidité’ de la part du pilote.
Il n’y a pas eu de blessés ni de dégâts matériels mais le passager déplore cet incident.
L’incident a eu lieu à 09 heures 40 minutes. Il serait dû à ‘des conditions météorologiques dégradées rendant la piste glissante’, selon un communiqué de Sénégal Airlines. Tout sera mis en œuvre pour ‘faciliter la reprise du programme des vols dans les meilleurs délais’, informe la même source.
Cette version des faits est battue en brèche par les autorités aéroportuaires maliennes. Selon la directrice de l'Agence nationale de l'aviation civile (ANAC) Mme Sanogo Téné Issabéré, "les conditions météorologiques ne sont pas en cause, beaucoup d'avions du même type ont atterri à Senou et n'ont pas connu le même problème. Nous croyons que l'incident est surtout dû à des problèmes techniques ou à des erreurs de pilotage. L'avion a atterri plutôt que prévu ".La directrice de l'ANAC a indiqué que les enquêtes sont déjà en cours pour situer les responsabilités.
Une étudiante nigérienne que la rédaction d’Actuniger a pu joindre au téléphone nous a confié : « Nous avons été pris en charge à OLYMPE INTERNATIONAL HOTEL. Cependant ce n’est qu’aux environs de 18h que nous avons été amenés à l’hôtel, nous sommes restés à l’aéroport sans manger pratiquement.» Elle poursuit : « Les hôtesses de la compagnie nous on dit qu’un vol viendrait de Dakar pour nous acheminer vers Niamey aujourd’hui, nous sommes donc dans l’attente ».
Mali: Atterrissage hors piste d'un avion de Sénégal Airlines . L'adresse et la lucidité du pilote remises en cause, les nigériens toujours bloqués à Bamako .
Bamako - Le pire a été évité de justesse. Le vol DN003 de la compagnie aérienne Sénégal Airlines a raté son atterrissage hier à l’aéroport de Bamako-Senou. Au lieu de poser l’appareil sur la piste, le pilote a fait une sortie de piste et s’est tout simplement dirigé vers la boue. Pour cause, l’aviateur a commencé son atterrissage au milieu de la piste, renseigne Alioune Badara Sall, un des passagers. Il trouve que c’est ‘un signe de maladresse ou un manque de lucidité’ de la part du pilote.Il n’y a pas eu de blessés ni de dégâts matériels mais le passager déplore cet incident.
L’incident a eu lieu à 09 heures 40 minutes. Il serait dû à ‘des conditions météorologiques dégradées rendant la piste glissante’, selon un communiqué de Sénégal Airlines. Tout sera mis en œuvre pour ‘faciliter la reprise du programme des vols dans les meilleurs délais’, informe la même source.
Cette version des faits est battue en brèche par les autorités aéroportuaires maliennes. Selon la directrice de l'Agence nationale de l'aviation civile (ANAC) Mme Sanogo Téné Issabéré, "les conditions météorologiques ne sont pas en cause, beaucoup d'avions du même type ont atterri à Senou et n'ont pas connu le même problème. Nous croyons que l'incident est surtout dû à des problèmes techniques ou à des erreurs de pilotage. L'avion a atterri plutôt que prévu ".La directrice de l'ANAC a indiqué que les enquêtes sont déjà en cours pour situer les responsabilités.
Une étudiante nigérienne que la rédaction d’Actuniger a pu joindre au téléphone nous a confié : « Nous avons été pris en charge à OLYMPE INTERNATIONAL HOTEL. Cependant ce n’est qu’aux environs de 18h que nous avons été amenés à l’hôtel, nous sommes restés à l’aéroport sans manger pratiquement.» Elle poursuit : « Les hôtesses de la compagnie nous on dit qu’un vol viendrait de Dakar pour nous acheminer vers Niamey aujourd’hui, nous sommes donc dans l’attente ».
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Zepekinio, so this is the only "what you eared on the radio" fact you have to assess the knowledge of this company crew members.You are an interesting guy.English is not the native language there, ok. But they all have their minimum level 4 requirements and are experienced pilots.Stop lying saying that there is no sim check as they are done in Tunis. According to your previous posts, it seems that you tried to pick up some info on this company but apparently unsuccessfully for you. Are you a frustrated guy flying around?
we all know that ELP 4 is the standard on every FAA cpl,but are they really level 4 and renewing their english certificate as it suppose to be done...no
sim check as they are done in Tunis
to hear you talk,you seems to be one of them wack ass A320 f.0 trying to defend them...you know that you guys usually flies with not more than 45 pax in these got damn A320 so how the hell ya'll can afford paying for the airplane lease,workers,fuel and get recurrent training every 6 months....
im not in dakar but whenever i read the news online, every months S.A got to be a major thread.i dont leave in dakar but i got reliable info from people working with them its all bull****,i dont know how they are going to survive since they got less then 3months of working capital
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come on man...26 years old on a 777 and frustrated....hell no
you know that you guys usually flies with not more than 45 pax in these got damn A320
i got reliable info from people working with them its all bull****
Zepekinio, you are one of so many guys who want this new company dead for whatever reason (probably frustated). They have lot of things to improve for sure, as a new company trying to start. One thing they have to do as well is to keep guys like you away if they want to survive in the near futur. I don't know if it will be a successful business, maybe you will smile soon but instead of being so hard on it, try to stay calm to fly your 777 safely.
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Senegal Airlines has some very good pilot's and worldwide experianced but at same time has majority pilot's who never flown A320 or are very inexperianced on A320 .
However, Just for those (like some 26years old little kids) who think that they come from nowhere without experience.I just would like to say that there are a small number of Senegal airlines pilots that are highly experienced on the A320 despite the fact that the majority are highly experienced 737 pilots. Some of those 737 guys have an old A330 experience as well at the time of Air Afrique.
This is just a matter of how they'll manage it more efficiently.
This is the first accident, no passengers injured, apparently no major damage, they will learn from it as any other airline in the world.
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RK303 Once again leave me alone
So you and your 777 were cleared at 10000ft in the area where Senegal Airlines flights are operating. Interesting... United?Air France? I don't think so as you're 26 years old...and so smart...tell us what was your route then
One thing they have to do as well is to keep guys like you away if they want to survive in the near futur.
I don't know if it will be a successful business, maybe you will smile soon but instead of being so hard on it, try to stay calm to fly your 777 safely.