Jobs in Africa (2011 onwards) part 3.
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If you were lazy to keep your records up for your own flight time, you most likely qualified for the most finest "carriers" in Africa ;-) ... always tell my chaps to not rely on anything further away then your wrist.
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Chickenhouse: correct, but this applies to most civilized country professionals as well.
Even with evidence of their signed logbooks, many of the so called civil airline first officers, with their head full of SOP's and questions about command, I would not trust flying a twin single pilot at night over Africa.
Even with evidence of their signed logbooks, many of the so called civil airline first officers, with their head full of SOP's and questions about command, I would not trust flying a twin single pilot at night over Africa.
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I am all with you, but twin over Africa is quite comfortable - what is the second prop for? 
... Had a great trip last year when flying single engine by night (not to get shot during day) in Rep of Congo at low alt with a 1x.000h capt on my side ... I guess he will never fly with me again.
... Had a great trip last year when flying single engine by night (not to get shot during day) in Rep of Congo at low alt with a 1x.000h capt on my side ... I guess he will never fly with me again.
Jobs in Africa (2011 onwards) part 3.
Not all training received in the airlines should be considered irrelevant to flying in Africa. Lots of attitudes learned in the airlines can, with modifications, be well adapted into bush operations, and add extra safety to an otherwise go happy go lucky bush ops. The pilot who outright ditches the potential positives of an ex-airline pilot among the pilots/ops, will most likely never have set foot in an airline, and possibly never will. Having done both type of ops, back and forth twice, I think it's important for both types of pilots, to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of each side of the industry.
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Unanswering of pilot applications.
Please if I may give you some thoughts on this, from 45+ years of professional aviation under my belt, including, instructing, ag flying, bush flying, GA, corporate and heavy a/c including B747 ops.
An operators greatest asset apart from their aircraft are their pilots and engineers. If they cant be arsed to answer applications, then they have done you a good turn, as they aren't worth working for. If you are treated like this when they are looking for pilots then how are you going to be treated when they don't want you, you must ask yourself? Like
. unanswering is akin to addressing someone verbally and being ignored. Dumb insolence I prefer to call it. It's quite easy ready. To rely is to click reply and click submit. That is better that no response at all.
I am staggered to read they pick pilots up off the street. Goodness me you can pick up alsorts of nasty things up off the streets, especially in Africa!
We are in a highly litigious society now. If you get the wrong pilot and there is a pile up with powerful passengers on board, that prang can bring down a corporation, leave alone a tin pot aviation outfit. I am aware it is the way of the world now but that don't mean to say it is right. Common courtesy is in very short supply these days.
An operators greatest asset apart from their aircraft are their pilots and engineers. If they cant be arsed to answer applications, then they have done you a good turn, as they aren't worth working for. If you are treated like this when they are looking for pilots then how are you going to be treated when they don't want you, you must ask yourself? Like
. unanswering is akin to addressing someone verbally and being ignored. Dumb insolence I prefer to call it. It's quite easy ready. To rely is to click reply and click submit. That is better that no response at all.I am staggered to read they pick pilots up off the street. Goodness me you can pick up alsorts of nasty things up off the streets, especially in Africa!
We are in a highly litigious society now. If you get the wrong pilot and there is a pile up with powerful passengers on board, that prang can bring down a corporation, leave alone a tin pot aviation outfit. I am aware it is the way of the world now but that don't mean to say it is right. Common courtesy is in very short supply these days.
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Supply and demand. You have people willing to work for nothing and even pay to fly, so why should the operators show any respect for the profession when the crews themselves have none?
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Correct, until there is a prang as described as above.
I am also aware experience is no guarantee of complete safety as we are all fallible, without exception. I have know 15,000 hr + pilots first prang be their last. However, surely experience counts for something?
I am also aware experience is no guarantee of complete safety as we are all fallible, without exception. I have know 15,000 hr + pilots first prang be their last. However, surely experience counts for something?
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Sadly, most operators would rather have a low timer who paid for a rating. That way they save a few dollars on the rating and they know he'll work for peanuts. This does nothing to improve the level of experience in the company and there's a general loss of experienced crews as they move on to more professional outfits.
The authorities have put pressure on operators to hire newly qualified locals by applying hour minimums for a validation, which has more or less knocked the cheap and easy route for low time foreigners on the head. Hopefully the knock on effect is to have folks with a bit more experience doing the job which should make it safer. Of course, those who will fly for nothing or pay to fly are still out there and not helping things.
Very few small operators give a about anything more than the bottom line.
The authorities have put pressure on operators to hire newly qualified locals by applying hour minimums for a validation, which has more or less knocked the cheap and easy route for low time foreigners on the head. Hopefully the knock on effect is to have folks with a bit more experience doing the job which should make it safer. Of course, those who will fly for nothing or pay to fly are still out there and not helping things.
Very few small operators give a
about anything more than the bottom line.
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In all fairness, after being involved in the hiring process with a few companies, the mass volume of emails that came through was just amazing. Most of the emails were either guys trying their luck, or just junk emails.
At one company were we receiving over 30 a day. Small operations don't always have the same level of staff that say, 747 operations, have available to them.
A follow up email or even better, a phone call, would have done wonders for the candidate.
Other things to get CV noticed was to have substantial relevant experience in the emails subject title so the CV could be noticed without even opening it.
At one company were we receiving over 30 a day. Small operations don't always have the same level of staff that say, 747 operations, have available to them.
A follow up email or even better, a phone call, would have done wonders for the candidate.
Other things to get CV noticed was to have substantial relevant experience in the emails subject title so the CV could be noticed without even opening it.
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Jolly good.
Can I take it you don't take electronic correspondence seriously? Yet if I high tailed it in on a donkey and handed you my CV written out on a scroll you would acknowledge me.
Makes me wonder who you actually do acknowledge. Oh you have acknowledge me, which leaves me eternally grateful.
Can I take it you don't take electronic correspondence seriously? Yet if I high tailed it in on a donkey and handed you my CV written out on a scroll you would acknowledge me.
Makes me wonder who you actually do acknowledge. Oh you have acknowledge me, which leaves me eternally grateful.
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Wow.
What I meant by that was that an Auto reply is that it takes the company as much effort to reply to you after it has been set up, than if they didn't respond at all.
It may give you that warm fuzzy feeling that you need to stroke your ego, as you tell yourself "Yes, they have acknowledged my godliness."
End of the day, the email still goes to the same place and may or may not get read even at all.
What a tool. I started off by offering a bit of advice to new time guys in here in what may or may not help them get noticed and eventually hired into the start of their career, and you go off on some high horse holier than thou crusade.
What I meant by that was that an Auto reply is that it takes the company as much effort to reply to you after it has been set up, than if they didn't respond at all.
It may give you that warm fuzzy feeling that you need to stroke your ego, as you tell yourself "Yes, they have acknowledged my godliness."
End of the day, the email still goes to the same place and may or may not get read even at all.
What a
tool. I started off by offering a bit of advice to new time guys in here in what may or may not help them get noticed and eventually hired into the start of their career, and you go off on some high horse holier than thou crusade.
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Sadly, most operators would rather have a low timer who paid for a rating. That way they save a few dollars on the rating and they know he'll work for peanuts. This does nothing to improve the level of experience in the company and there's a general loss of experienced crews as they move on to more professional outfits.
The authorities have put pressure on operators to hire newly qualified locals by applying hour minimums for a validation, which has more or less knocked the cheap and easy route for low time foreigners on the head. Hopefully the knock on effect is to have folks with a bit more experience doing the job which should make it safer. Of course, those who will fly for nothing or pay to fly are still out there and not helping things.
Very few small operators give a about anything more than the bottom line.
The authorities have put pressure on operators to hire newly qualified locals by applying hour minimums for a validation, which has more or less knocked the cheap and easy route for low time foreigners on the head. Hopefully the knock on effect is to have folks with a bit more experience doing the job which should make it safer. Of course, those who will fly for nothing or pay to fly are still out there and not helping things.
Very few small operators give a about anything more than the bottom line.
Jolly good.
Can I take it you don't take electronic correspondence seriously? Yet if I high tailed it in on a donkey and handed you my CV written out on a scroll you would acknowledge me.
Makes me wonder who you actually do acknowledge. Oh you have acknowledge me, which leaves me eternally grateful.
Can I take it you don't take electronic correspondence seriously? Yet if I high tailed it in on a donkey and handed you my CV written out on a scroll you would acknowledge me.
Makes me wonder who you actually do acknowledge. Oh you have acknowledge me, which leaves me eternally grateful.
Some things are better over here, some things are worse over here and, well, somethings are just different.
You won't find many, if any, operators posting jobs online, they like their paper, they like people who will grab a drink with them first and they don't really care about hours nearly as much as back home.
Take it for what it is and adapt, or don't waist your money comming over here.
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big ones
Hi everybody!
I am presently flying on Falcon20 for paramilitary operations and the Beechcraft 200 for charter, vip and medical flights. My intentions are to change from biz to big busses. I have a small experience in Africa as I flew a few months on B200 from DAKAR, but I am not really aware of what's going on there anymore... Can someone help me with a few airline names or countries where I should aim my phone calls, CVs or maybe my trips? For a non rated guy or maybe rated with no hours?
2800TT
1150 Jet Time (Falcon20)
1250 Turboprop (Beech200)
TR C525
Should have my full ATPL in june 2014
And a few good references...
Thanks in advance!
PS: And good luck to everyone! I agree coastal is a good one in TZ, they've accepted my application a few years ago, I had something like 3 or 400TT, I declined for another opportunity but I do confirm, you'll have to go there and give your resume from hand to hand.
I am presently flying on Falcon20 for paramilitary operations and the Beechcraft 200 for charter, vip and medical flights. My intentions are to change from biz to big busses
. I have a small experience in Africa as I flew a few months on B200 from DAKAR, but I am not really aware of what's going on there anymore... Can someone help me with a few airline names or countries where I should aim my phone calls, CVs or maybe my trips? For a non rated guy or maybe rated with no hours? 2800TT
1150 Jet Time (Falcon20)
1250 Turboprop (Beech200)
TR C525
Should have my full ATPL in june 2014
And a few good references...
Thanks in advance!
PS: And good luck to everyone! I agree coastal is a good one in TZ, they've accepted my application a few years ago, I had something like 3 or 400TT, I declined for another opportunity but I do confirm, you'll have to go there and give your resume from hand to hand.
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James.
Good post and points taken.
However if a company "owns" an aircraft worth say $40 million I find it hard to comprehend a pilot, indeed any pilot is worth that much. In fact, take it from me, the more expensive the aircraft and avionics, the less flying skills are required to operate it. Doesn't matter if you're a NASA graduate, if you don't have a good reliable aircraft to strap on, you're going nowhere. You are able to pick pilots up who prostitute themselves, off the street according to this thread. A half descent aircraft you wont.
If you have purchased a slot on a new aircraft order, that alone can be worth a fortune.
I rank a good engineer alongside any good pilot, as a lazy and or incompetent engineer will kill you as quick as CFIT.
Good post and points taken.
However if a company "owns" an aircraft worth say $40 million I find it hard to comprehend a pilot, indeed any pilot is worth that much. In fact, take it from me, the more expensive the aircraft and avionics, the less flying skills are required to operate it. Doesn't matter if you're a NASA graduate, if you don't have a good reliable aircraft to strap on, you're going nowhere. You are able to pick pilots up who prostitute themselves, off the street according to this thread. A half descent aircraft you wont.
If you have purchased a slot on a new aircraft order, that alone can be worth a fortune.
I rank a good engineer alongside any good pilot, as a lazy and or incompetent engineer will kill you as quick as CFIT.
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If you're talking from a initial investment stand point, yes the plane will cost the most $$
If you're talking saftey, I stand by the order I stated earlier.
More companies with high end equipment and low end people have failed compared to low end equipment and high end people. A company is its people, pilots to managers to marketing folks to COO/CEO etc.
If you're talking saftey, I stand by the order I stated earlier.
More companies with high end equipment and low end people have failed compared to low end equipment and high end people. A company is its people, pilots to managers to marketing folks to COO/CEO etc.
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"More companies with high end equipment and low end people have failed compared to low end equipment and high end people."
Bush operations etc., I agree experience and good stick and rudder skills are still required.
Airlines? You gotta be kidding. The greatest accolade I can give Boeing for e.g., is show them some of the people who are flying their latest generation equipment and continue to "get away with it".
Bush operations etc., I agree experience and good stick and rudder skills are still required.
Airlines? You gotta be kidding. The greatest accolade I can give Boeing for e.g., is show them some of the people who are flying their latest generation equipment and continue to "get away with it".
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Looking for work in Tanzania
I am a young Tanzanian looking for any info regarding who would be looking to hire at the moment.
PILOT CREDENTIALS
Total flight hours: 590
-506 Pilot-in-command
-240 Turbo Prop
-146 Solo
-478 Cross-country
-14 Multi-Engine Land Airplane
AIRCRAFT HISTORY:
Cessna 208-B Caravan
Cessna 206 Skywagon
Cessna 172 Skyhawk
Cessna 172RG Skylane
Beech Craft Duchess BE-76
Thank you everyone
PILOT CREDENTIALS
Total flight hours: 590
-506 Pilot-in-command
-240 Turbo Prop
-146 Solo
-478 Cross-country
-14 Multi-Engine Land Airplane
AIRCRAFT HISTORY:
Cessna 208-B Caravan
Cessna 206 Skywagon
Cessna 172 Skyhawk
Cessna 172RG Skylane
Beech Craft Duchess BE-76
Thank you everyone
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You are already in TANZANIA bro. Go knocking on every door with your CV and talk to chief pilots! Offer to work in a non-flying position til a flying one opens up. Make sure your CV has a breakdown of how many hours in what aircraft types.... that's what people really want to see. I'm still not sure how you logged 240 PIC in the 208 with such a low total time.... or was it really P1US sitting in the right seat just observing the captain?? That would be P2