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Maun, Botswana. The essential guide.

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 05:07
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Hi guys,

Are the operators in Bots, when advertising for Caravan drivers, wanting someone just for the Caravans or are pilots also expected to fly other types also? GA8, C206 etc...

If so, does anyone know how much/often a Caravan pilot would do in other types?

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Old 12th Nov 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by akfly12 View Post
I'm hoping to find an operator where I can fly C208 PIC and ideally with the opportunity for ME turbine time in the not so distant future. Thoughts/Ideas from guys with local knowledge?
Only 1 company has ME turbine in Maun, Major Blue, all other companies have SE
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 01:57
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Originally Posted by abezzi View Post
Only 1 company has ME turbine in Maun, Major Blue, all other companies have SE
thanks for the info.

I’m not married to Maun, nor Botswana. Looking for operators anywhere in Africa with both SE and ME turboprop.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 11:12
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Originally Posted by Results may vary View Post
Hi guys,

Are the operators in Bots, when advertising for Caravan drivers, wanting someone just for the Caravans or are pilots also expected to fly other types also? GA8, C206 etc...

If so, does anyone know how much/often a Caravan pilot would do in other types?

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Mackair and Wilderness will put people straight onto the caravan, and you will only fly the caravan.
Safari Air were looking for direct entry caravan pilots recently - I'm not sure if they would expect you to fly the airvan too.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 08:24
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Originally Posted by akfly12 View Post


thanks for the info.

I’m not married to Maun, nor Botswana. Looking for operators anywhere in Africa with both SE and ME turboprop.
This thread is called "Maun, Botswana..." so I thought that you were looking to find a position here...
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Bushdodge View Post
Mackair and Wilderness will put people straight onto the caravan, and you will only fly the caravan.
Safari Air were looking for direct entry caravan pilots recently - I'm not sure if they would expect you to fly the airvan too.
My observations from the apron:
Wilderness do not seem to be flying their piston aircraft at all right now.
Mack Air caravan pilots are only flying caravans except for extraordinary circumstances (ie. training captains for the piston fleet).
I heard that Safari Air require all pilots to fly a little bit of time on the airvan first before flying the caravan. I don't know how accurate that is. Their caravan pilots seem to do an airvan day here and there- presumably for currency as well as scheduling requirements. Surely not a deal breaker for most pilots though.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 08:08
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Not too long ago Wilderness was hiring 200 hr pilots, now they want guys with 850 hrs plus a Van rating? Cathay will take you on at 250 hrs.
Then go and claim your place at Cathay.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 08:51
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I've read the last 4 years of this thread. I know it's a "Botswana" thread, officially BUT: I'm curious to chat about African opps in general.

From what I gather, the current "reqs" are something like
Bots: 500+
Nam: CPL +
Zambia: 1000+

What about opps outside of this triangle?
Tanzania?
SA?
Madagascar?
S Sudan?
Uganda?
Other?

I have 1000TT+ with over >300 in 207 and >300 in 208. Hoping for something straight into SE turbine with potential in the company or nearby for ME turbine
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 09:54
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Originally Posted by akfly12 View Post
I've read the last 4 years of this thread. I know it's a "Botswana" thread, officially BUT: I'm curious to chat about African opps in general.

From what I gather, the current "reqs" are something like
Bots: 500+
Nam: CPL +
Zambia: 1000+

What about opps outside of this triangle?
Tanzania?
SA?
Madagascar?
S Sudan?
Uganda?
Other?

I have 1000TT+ with over >300 in 207 and >300 in 208. Hoping for something straight into SE turbine with potential in the company or nearby for ME turbine
Think you will find it is more a Maun thread than a Bots thread.

That triangle seems one sided + Nam for reasonable life jobs, the third a better option for an expat than your second list.

Have you tried KASAC in Gaborone , don't think they have SE turbine but multi piston and it was fast progression to the B200 & Gabs is very livable.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 17:24
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Thanks Bend. Looking into KASAC - they are Kalahari now ...? Looks like they move from 210 -> B200; quite the progression. I will reach out. I'm flexible on location; looking to explore what and where best opportunities may exist (suitable to my CV) before I make the trip over.


Tangent: is it completely crazy to make this Africa move in the face of similar (& better paying) opportunities here in Alaska? I'm 28, never married, with no dependents and no debt. In some ways this is a perfect window of opportunity to embark on this adventure. I guess I'm just grasping the internet for reassurance/encouragement.

Related/background: I've lived as an expat in the past for 2+ years (Vietnam). I love the lifestyle and adventure. Africa has been on my list ever since but I haven't yet even visited. For the people who make the best of it and enjoy their time there: what is it that they say keeps them "hooked"/infatuated?

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Old 7th Dec 2018, 07:17
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Yes it is Kalahari Air Services (And Charter).

I spent around 8 years mostly in Botswana doing maintenance not as a pilot. Africa is a great place to visit/live and work, but can have some risk involved.

Botswana is what I would call safe, a fair chance of getting your wallet or phone pinched or stuff taken from your house. But no real violent stuff, more opportunity crime. Very good gun control, basically if your caught with a handgun your straight to jail.

I think you will find being an expat in Africa vastly different to Vietnam (I have only visited a few times). A different mentality.

A quick look today and it seems they are after crew for PC12's but I am not sure if that's a current ad. I also saw Noel's (the owner) daughter is looking after the hire of pilots but Human Resources Officer, Masego Sentle is listed as contact on one of the ads. Masego is a very nice lady and I think you could call her and ask if she has time for a quick chat about possible employment or if it is worth going over for a visit.

I have been back in Australia since 2004, but been back to Botswana 3 times for visiting friends.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 07:46
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As long as the country is politically stable and predominantly non-violent then I am happy (and excited) to find work and live there.

Their PCC site lists 1500+ as time required for pilot applicants as well as 2000+ for PC-12 applicants. I suppose I better get in touch with Masego to chat more about my experience and whether they would entertain an interview with me. No response on my call just now; will try again. Thanks for the tips!
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 08:05
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akfly, for the Kasac position you must be PC12 rated with time on type, with your hours in C208 a good bet would be Mack Air and Wilderness Air in Maun or Coastal in Tanzania or Scenic Air in Namibia. Forget SA, you must be SA citizen to get a job, unless you have B1900 hours and then they will send you to fly contract somewhere else in Africa
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 09:04
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Yes, in fact I got ahold of Jacqueline at KASAC who confirmed what abezzi said about PC12 rating and time on type; as well their minimum is 1500 for all their pilots for insurance purposes.

Also chatted with Wilderness who just hired a pilot group and estimates the next class to be in June/July 19

Mack Air, Coastal, and Scenic all seem promising but none of their CPs were available to chat this AM.

Making phone calls to these organizations sure helps take much uncertainty away. Much cheaper to buy Skype credit than pay 1000$ for a ticket to Windhoek/Maun.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 09:13
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Is that a current position with KASAC abezzi?

That is not an aircraft Fitz will buy unless under written - He is very tight on $'s but very high on maintenance.

He also does not meet the minimums for that job - more so it is not a bad place to work and progress generally fast.

Mac air was and expect is a great company but the poster was looking to go ME turbine.

My main "thing" on the reply is Masego is a very very nice helpful lady, I guess Patricia put in some guidance there.

Her English is excellent and she has a caring sole (wont just say come and we will see).
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 10:04
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As far as I know yes is a current position with them, they provide pilots for 2 or 3 private PC12 that are based in Gaborone, so the aircraft do not belong to them

If I understood well akfly12 dosen't have ME turbine time and he hopes to join a company with SE turbine and then proceed with ME, unfortunately in Botswana the only company with ME turbine, Air Botswana aside, is KASAC and because they are looking for a rated PC12 pilot this is the end of the story!

If my contacts are correct they most probably already found the pilot were looking for, but I would always send an email to them to see what is going on, you never know!
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 11:02
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Did the other that had a King Air or two and Dada's citation/s run by Les fold?
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 04:10
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Great info there akfly, does anyone know the latest on Mack air? Their 16 new EX's must need some drivers.....
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 07:44
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Found out this morning that Mack Air is all set for 2019 pilot group although CP Darren reports that “things can always change unexpectedly” and was encouraging about showing up to meet with him.

Jacqueline at KASAC notes that these Maun operators are notoriously slippery when it comes to giving out realistic information about their pilot demands because, as she puts it, “they are accustomed to having pilots line up outside their doors looking for jobs” so basically they don’t need to bother making promises to abstract pilots via email.

She also insinuated that KASAC is not able to help with the conversion to BOTS license and the best place to do that is thru the operators in Maun bc “they seem to know th best/easiest way to do it” and also seemed to imply that the aviation authority is in better cooperation with the Maun operators. Anyone know more about this?
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 05:59
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Found out this morning that Mack Air is all set for 2019 pilot group although CP Darren reports that “things can always change unexpectedly” and was encouraging about showing up to meet with him.

Jacqueline at KASAC notes that these Maun operators are notoriously slippery when it comes to giving out realistic information about their pilot demands because, as she puts it, “they are accustomed to having pilots line up outside their doors looking for jobs” so basically they don’t need to bother making promises to abstract pilots via email.

She also insinuated that KASAC is not able to help with the conversion to BOTS license and the best place to do that is thru the operators in Maun bc “they seem to know th best/easiest way to do it” and also seemed to imply that the aviation authority is in better cooperation with the Maun operators. Anyone know more about this?
I think Jacqueline is wrong...we haven’t seen pilots lining up outside the doors since 2015, that time is over now!
Then you do not ask for a conversion of your licence but for a validation, yes it means that the admin office has to do some paperwork but it is not impossible, maybe she prefers not to be involved; for sure because of the numbers of pilots hired every year by the company in Maun, is easier for them to do it but no way CAAB is in better cooperation with Maun operators!
I strongly believe that what the Mack Air chief pilot told you is the thruth, they hired a good numbers of pilots in the last few months and many if not most of the senior pilots will stay for one more year at least
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