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Goffel, I'm with you mate!
Reading this thread reminds me of the times I used to sit around the camp fire watching the hyenas circling & trying to get in on the action.....
Sometimes you hear them, sometimes you see their eyes glow in the night.
Confront them & they just retreat into the darkness.
Let your guard down and they'll sneak in and steal what ever they can get their hands on.
Mr Sousa..... shame on you, is this the best you can do?
Mr Jamaligan starts out in ignorant mode
And then in less than a week he's an expert
& then there is Mr Undies
Try and base your allegations & slander on something vaguely resembling the facts for a change.
Keep it up boy's, I'm sure you've got Mr O quivering in his boots.
Reading this thread reminds me of the times I used to sit around the camp fire watching the hyenas circling & trying to get in on the action.....
Sometimes you hear them, sometimes you see their eyes glow in the night.
Confront them & they just retreat into the darkness.
Let your guard down and they'll sneak in and steal what ever they can get their hands on.
Mr Sousa..... shame on you, is this the best you can do?
Jetpark.. If your so intent on raising questions on a suspect operation, why not give the Helibase crowd some of your undivided attention.........
Your intensity as to the rules in regards to these folks would be interesting.
Your intensity as to the rules in regards to these folks would be interesting.
Does anybody know anything about the new Helicopter Company that operates out of the Waterfront (who are they, and backround) and what is their relationship with Base 4 Helicopters in Cape Town?
Heard they will supply a 412 in like less than a weeks time to do the ship service in Dbn. Foreign A/C operating in S.A. with S.A. pilots.
I`m sure if this thread carries on a little longer a whole lot more of the so called "dirty laundry" will come out.
Keep it up boy's, I'm sure you've got Mr O quivering in his boots.
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Mr Sousa..... shame on you, is this the best you can do?
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Jetpark.. If your so intent on raising questions on a suspect operation, why not give the Helibase crowd some of your undivided attention.........
Your intensity as to the rules in regards to these folks would be interesting.
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Jetpark.. If your so intent on raising questions on a suspect operation, why not give the Helibase crowd some of your undivided attention.........
Your intensity as to the rules in regards to these folks would be interesting.
On the new ops there, I have wished them well and do hope they dont learn how not to do things.........
Confront them & they just retreat into the darkness.
Let your guard down and they'll sneak in and steal what ever they can get their hands on.
Let your guard down and they'll sneak in and steal what ever they can get their hands on.
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Please explain how jumping in on a rumour on a rumour's network makes me an expert!?
By the way, rumour turned out to be Fact!
Wonder who wants to be the expert around here when YOU, all of a sudden, jump on the wagon, wich is by the way fine with me, and analises everybody's posts as a psycologist ?
I agree with UnDies, there is still a lot of dirty Laundry out there from these oakes. Many operators have skelletons yes, I just hope this "New" Co. do things in a propper way from NOW ON!
They are not that new, Peninsula Executive Helicopters (Pty) Ltd Reg Nr 2004/029680/07. according to Mr. O, and has been trying to Bull
there way forward since then, ie. 2004. That's why there was a good luck to Base 4. Looks like they, Base 4, has not learned a lesson the previous time with Mr. P. Next thing we see, Mr. P back at Starbright.
The 412 issue is a fact, and Mr.P himself and some other oak in his pink shirt, probably one of the O's was in Durban to negotiate a deal with NPO and trying to "steal" an existing contract. Bussiness is bussiness yes, but conduct it in a propper way. NOT telling lies to some "Procurement" dude that has no idea, and knowing that you can NOT deliver the goods!
Come on guy's, a 412 in such a short time that is not even in the country, nor on the S.A. Register
. We will sit with another SABC/ETV saga that turns out in court cases and ugly stuff like that, making Attorneys and Advocates rich!
Maybe those Hyenas we saw in the old days were this bunch because that's how they have been operating.
Regards,
By the way, rumour turned out to be Fact!
Wonder who wants to be the expert around here when YOU, all of a sudden, jump on the wagon, wich is by the way fine with me, and analises everybody's posts as a psycologist ?
I agree with UnDies, there is still a lot of dirty Laundry out there from these oakes. Many operators have skelletons yes, I just hope this "New" Co. do things in a propper way from NOW ON!
They are not that new, Peninsula Executive Helicopters (Pty) Ltd Reg Nr 2004/029680/07. according to Mr. O, and has been trying to Bull
there way forward since then, ie. 2004. That's why there was a good luck to Base 4. Looks like they, Base 4, has not learned a lesson the previous time with Mr. P. Next thing we see, Mr. P back at Starbright.The 412 issue is a fact, and Mr.P himself and some other oak in his pink shirt, probably one of the O's was in Durban to negotiate a deal with NPO and trying to "steal" an existing contract. Bussiness is bussiness yes, but conduct it in a propper way. NOT telling lies to some "Procurement" dude that has no idea, and knowing that you can NOT deliver the goods!
Come on guy's, a 412 in such a short time that is not even in the country, nor on the S.A. Register
. We will sit with another SABC/ETV saga that turns out in court cases and ugly stuff like that, making Attorneys and Advocates rich!Maybe those Hyenas we saw in the old days were this bunch because that's how they have been operating.
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My 1st post, feels good to 'come out the closet'
Barry O and team. Good luck at the V & A - sincerely. It's not for sissy's. Just hope there isn't a SABC / ETV saga looming as mentioned by Jam, and that ur laundy is kleen.
Pay ur pilots well - don't stiff them cos they ARE ur business. you can operate the best machines, but no drivers = no bread on the table. starting up where u r with the competition around u the last thing u need is thousands of rands in marketing bills with no blades turnin!
We'd all love to have the opportunity to operate out of SA's most lucrative helipad. Some posts depict a slight 'enviousness' which is probably understandable.
However, Barry!! When u have stiffed a pilot, swallow ur pride (its not fattening) and make amends!! U might find peace and a gr8 future business partner!! If the rest of ur laundry is kleen that is.
Good luck all the same to u, ur boet and peachtree. may this be the one u've been waiting for...... its taken u long enough.
Barry O and team. Good luck at the V & A - sincerely. It's not for sissy's. Just hope there isn't a SABC / ETV saga looming as mentioned by Jam, and that ur laundy is kleen.
Pay ur pilots well - don't stiff them cos they ARE ur business. you can operate the best machines, but no drivers = no bread on the table. starting up where u r with the competition around u the last thing u need is thousands of rands in marketing bills with no blades turnin!
We'd all love to have the opportunity to operate out of SA's most lucrative helipad. Some posts depict a slight 'enviousness' which is probably understandable.
However, Barry!! When u have stiffed a pilot, swallow ur pride (its not fattening) and make amends!! U might find peace and a gr8 future business partner!! If the rest of ur laundry is kleen that is.
Good luck all the same to u, ur boet and peachtree. may this be the one u've been waiting for...... its taken u long enough.
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Thanks for all the good wishes guys. Seems like there is still some proper guys in the industry!
Jamaligan and Undies - On the Ports Authority, keep digging china, you wont find any smut. No dirty laundry, no bull , nada. One of you keeps on sounding more and more like one of the Acher guys. And no, we did not try and "steal" the contract, they approached us and asked for help.Maybe you guys must think why they did not approach you for help. The fact remains, the 412 did not materialise due to the current operator having issues, understandably because we were kicking up a storm in their back yard. The second option was a BK, which was recommended by a well known CAA official.This again did not suceed as the Ports Authority is getting early delivery of the new Agusta. And yes, we did not succeed at this venture, but that is business - maybe something you must still learn....if you dont make the dust, you eat it.
Watch this space again when the contract comes up for renewal later this year....
Yes, I was the one with the pink shirt. You have a problem with pink- grow some balls.
We are here to stay and conduct our business, just like Civair, Sport, NAC Makana....We are not here to please you.
Let me know if you find more "smut". Happy hunting.
For the other okes, thanks again.
Jamaligan and Undies - On the Ports Authority, keep digging china, you wont find any smut. No dirty laundry, no bull
, nada. One of you keeps on sounding more and more like one of the Acher guys. And no, we did not try and "steal" the contract, they approached us and asked for help.Maybe you guys must think why they did not approach you for help. The fact remains, the 412 did not materialise due to the current operator having issues, understandably because we were kicking up a storm in their back yard. The second option was a BK, which was recommended by a well known CAA official.This again did not suceed as the Ports Authority is getting early delivery of the new Agusta. And yes, we did not succeed at this venture, but that is business - maybe something you must still learn....if you dont make the dust, you eat it.Watch this space again when the contract comes up for renewal later this year....
Yes, I was the one with the pink shirt. You have a problem with pink- grow some balls.
We are here to stay and conduct our business, just like Civair, Sport, NAC Makana....We are not here to please you.
Let me know if you find more "smut". Happy hunting.
For the other okes, thanks again.
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Good Day BarryO. I have decided to register on this site in an effort to set the record straight. I have a habit (annoying for some) of taking notes in a book at relevant meetings. I will utilize these notes in an effort to set out the facts and allow the members to decide for themselves if the truth is being ’bent’ or not.
In mid-December we met with NP (Your partner?). At the meeting he offered four machines to the NPA which he had available at various short notice periods. Bearing in mind the crisis which was being experienced at the time, the requirement was for something in as short a time as possible. The machines on offer were, a brand new AW139 (which I questioned), a Bell 412 which we agreed would work for a short term contract, in fact we agreed to use a 212 if one could be found but only for the short term, an AS 365-C3, which we were unhappy with and a BK-117 which we also binned outright. We questioned who would be operating the machines and were told that you had absolutely no desire to operate them as you did not have anywhere close to the required expertise. In fact NP told us that you guys had “29 machines operating in four countries.”
We were also given the assurance that the 412, which we all agreed was the most practical solution to our immediate problem, was “parked on the hardstand, next to the IL-76, ready to go.” This meeting took place on a Thursday and we were given the assurance that the machine would be in SA by that Saturday failing that the following Tuesday. When the question of FOP was raised, we were given the assurance that through your connections this could be done in 48 hours!!! We bowed to your superior knowledge and said that this was something that we had attempted but were told that it was not possible. The paperwork would be your responsibility.
The next ‘curved ball’ came from one of your sister companies when a manager contacted our chief engineer and resident pilot with offers of employment. Where did this come from? Much back pedaling later and apologies about how he got ahead of himself and was working on his own etc…
Guess what, the machine did not arrive as promised, in fact all deadlines were broken. I called NP to get an update and was told that there was a “problem with the hoist.” But not to worry as a replacement was being fast freighted over the Atlantic as we speak and the machine would be on its way. Never did leave and I accept that the market for fully equipped off shore machines is tight, that is why I was having difficulty getting my mind around how you guys were able to source all these machines in such a short time.
All goes quiet, then a meeting is called and we were asked to make a decision on the 412 within an hour. We bin the idea. Next option, how about the SA365-C3. I take great pains to tell NP that I have my ‘book’ with me and to ensure that any ‘facts’ he presents to me are likely to be checked. He tells us that you guys have a “vested interest” in the 365-C3. It is currently being operated by a Shell Aviation Approved organization in an offshore role. We express our concerns but are keen to try and make the project work. We need graphs from the manual to verify performance as the C3 was never made in big numbers. Some of the graphs arrive in minutes, critical graphs (SE Performance) are still awaited days later, in fact never arrive. We still question the FOP issue and are told that the lady (her name was given) is getting cross with repeated questions about her ability to issue the permit. She can do this in 48 hours. Our experience and the law state otherwise. The C3 quietly fades away. Next as you so incorrectly state as being “the second option, the BK” was offered again. Remember, at the start we said this machine was totally unsuitable as the rotor system was wrong, the hoist was on the wrong side, it had skids, totally inadequate SE performance and tail rotor effectiveness that can only be described as pathetic amongst other reasons. The said CAA official never recommended the 117, in fact he suggested that contact be made with the operator. This was not done.
So in summary so the members of this thread can decide for themselves as to whether the truth was ‘bent’ or not;
BarryO, we tried to get this project off the ground and to assist you. It would have been good business but not all plans work out.
I wish you well with your operation in CT. I know for a fact that there is very good business to be had and can give you the assurance that we will not be competing as it is not our core business.
In mid-December we met with NP (Your partner?). At the meeting he offered four machines to the NPA which he had available at various short notice periods. Bearing in mind the crisis which was being experienced at the time, the requirement was for something in as short a time as possible. The machines on offer were, a brand new AW139 (which I questioned), a Bell 412 which we agreed would work for a short term contract, in fact we agreed to use a 212 if one could be found but only for the short term, an AS 365-C3, which we were unhappy with and a BK-117 which we also binned outright. We questioned who would be operating the machines and were told that you had absolutely no desire to operate them as you did not have anywhere close to the required expertise. In fact NP told us that you guys had “29 machines operating in four countries.”
We were also given the assurance that the 412, which we all agreed was the most practical solution to our immediate problem, was “parked on the hardstand, next to the IL-76, ready to go.” This meeting took place on a Thursday and we were given the assurance that the machine would be in SA by that Saturday failing that the following Tuesday. When the question of FOP was raised, we were given the assurance that through your connections this could be done in 48 hours!!! We bowed to your superior knowledge and said that this was something that we had attempted but were told that it was not possible. The paperwork would be your responsibility.
The next ‘curved ball’ came from one of your sister companies when a manager contacted our chief engineer and resident pilot with offers of employment. Where did this come from? Much back pedaling later and apologies about how he got ahead of himself and was working on his own etc…
Guess what, the machine did not arrive as promised, in fact all deadlines were broken. I called NP to get an update and was told that there was a “problem with the hoist.” But not to worry as a replacement was being fast freighted over the Atlantic as we speak and the machine would be on its way. Never did leave and I accept that the market for fully equipped off shore machines is tight, that is why I was having difficulty getting my mind around how you guys were able to source all these machines in such a short time.
All goes quiet, then a meeting is called and we were asked to make a decision on the 412 within an hour. We bin the idea. Next option, how about the SA365-C3. I take great pains to tell NP that I have my ‘book’ with me and to ensure that any ‘facts’ he presents to me are likely to be checked. He tells us that you guys have a “vested interest” in the 365-C3. It is currently being operated by a Shell Aviation Approved organization in an offshore role. We express our concerns but are keen to try and make the project work. We need graphs from the manual to verify performance as the C3 was never made in big numbers. Some of the graphs arrive in minutes, critical graphs (SE Performance) are still awaited days later, in fact never arrive. We still question the FOP issue and are told that the lady (her name was given) is getting cross with repeated questions about her ability to issue the permit. She can do this in 48 hours. Our experience and the law state otherwise. The C3 quietly fades away. Next as you so incorrectly state as being “the second option, the BK” was offered again. Remember, at the start we said this machine was totally unsuitable as the rotor system was wrong, the hoist was on the wrong side, it had skids, totally inadequate SE performance and tail rotor effectiveness that can only be described as pathetic amongst other reasons. The said CAA official never recommended the 117, in fact he suggested that contact be made with the operator. This was not done.
So in summary so the members of this thread can decide for themselves as to whether the truth was ‘bent’ or not;
- execheli.com operates 29 helicopters in 4 countries (?)
- The 412 was parked ready to go, 3 days, operational with all paperwork in place within a week
- A FOP obtainable in 48 hours. Contact with CAA and DOT and ASL council have all confirmed that this is simply impossible
- A company who presents themselves as providers of helicopters then proceeds attempt to ‘steal’ your staff
- They have a “vested interest” in a SA365-C3 but are unable to provide critical graphs from a manual, yet other graphs are immediately available
- Shell Aviation are still looking through their database for your “:Shell approved operator”
- The BK-117 is suddenly the “second option.” Wrong, it was never an option!
- etc……
On the Ports Authority, keep digging china, you wont find any smut. No dirty laundry, no bull , nada.
, nada.
BarryO, we tried to get this project off the ground and to assist you. It would have been good business but not all plans work out.
I wish you well with your operation in CT. I know for a fact that there is very good business to be had and can give you the assurance that we will not be competing as it is not our core business.
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Oh yes, that book you were writing in as if you were editing a best seller. Sorry stuart, due to the "Non disclosure Agreement" (NDA) we signed with the NPA I cant respond on a public forum on your statements. And, I know that the "procurement guy" referred to earlier in this thread is watching this with a close eye.
I am happy to respond to the statements made if we get relieved from the NDA.
29 Helicopters in 4 countries...wow...that will give CHC some local competition....
And thanks for the good wishes here in Cape Town...Im sure our paths will cross again later this year
Oh, and on the C3, I will forward you the approvals by email.You couldve just asked ya know.
I am happy to respond to the statements made if we get relieved from the NDA.
29 Helicopters in 4 countries...wow...that will give CHC some local competition....
And thanks for the good wishes here in Cape Town...Im sure our paths will cross again later this year
Oh, and on the C3, I will forward you the approvals by email.You couldve just asked ya know.
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truth or not
Nice one Stu! Well done.!
Barry, the pink shirt was no issue, it was just a way you were recognised, but if the shoe fits, you know.
Never have I wished you bad luck either, I just want things to be done in a propper way.
The post from Stuart just proves to me that you guys will lie to get stuff done, and even then, cant produce. Looks like there are some dirty stuff going on afterall??
Dont jump into things you can not handle!!!
Learn NOW!!!
regards,
PS. On your statement: "If you don't make the dust.... you eat it" HUGE!!!! boet HUGE!!!
So, you like to cause sh ? Hope this was an invite to dig deeper?
Barry, the pink shirt was no issue, it was just a way you were recognised, but if the shoe fits, you know.
Never have I wished you bad luck either, I just want things to be done in a propper way.
The post from Stuart just proves to me that you guys will lie to get stuff done, and even then, cant produce. Looks like there are some dirty stuff going on afterall??
Dont jump into things you can not handle!!!
Learn NOW!!!
regards,
PS. On your statement: "If you don't make the dust.... you eat it" HUGE!!!! boet HUGE!!!
So, you like to cause sh
? Hope this was an invite to dig deeper?
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Well Jamaligan, if you think there is more to dig - go ahead. Its your opinion that we are liars, cheaters, sluts etc etc. Their are worse people in this industry. Cry me a river....
As I said before, we are not here to please anyone. We get by on our own.
Happy hunting and have a good week.
As I said before, we are not here to please anyone. We get by on our own.
Happy hunting and have a good week.
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Apologies
Gents, sorry to say but I will have to apologise to the twins and everyone else here for what I have said – NP sent me a private message insulting me and calling terrible names along the lines of “girlie” and mentioning how I’ve thrashed my name in the IT industry. NP having such a credible reputation we would have to accept that what he has said is fact!!! Therefore please accept my apologies; it seems Milli Vanilli is doing a fantastic job themselves! 
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Hmmm....been watching the thread for a while in-between running my own show and long-haul flights....so it's true....there's no smoke without fire then? I'm not even in the helicopter industry but it is amazing how one's reputation preceeds one as regards one particuolar individual. And all I was doing was passing comment in response to an early question in the thread surrounding licence issues. After 30 odd years in this buisiness, my intention was never to bad-mouth this particular operation nor its people - just stating facts and offering caution. And the stuff that's surfaced since then? Boy oh Boy - that's aviation for you. 
By the way BO - I do make extensive productive use of my time and still wish you well - just keep it clean and you'll be fine - and careful who you employ....can make or beark you.
By the way BO - I do make extensive productive use of my time and still wish you well - just keep it clean and you'll be fine - and careful who you employ....can make or beark you.
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Wow! This thread is juicy. Like I said BO, don't stiff pilots........or operators or potential clients or ..or ..or!
Sound like Stu was also on the receiving end too, a little bigger than me! Reminds me of the '17yr contract to operate your new EC 120's and EC130 out of Cape Point.' with the promise of work - same as the traffic chopper in Gauteng with promises of work...yet the bill for presenting is still outstanding.
Again all I can say is good luck at the V & A. Hope you haven't ped off too many pilots, engineers and managers to make a success of it.
Maybe if you had bought me that burger and chip things would be a little different.
Clean up and make money!
Sound like Stu was also on the receiving end too, a little bigger than me! Reminds me of the '17yr contract to operate your new EC 120's and EC130 out of Cape Point.' with the promise of work - same as the traffic chopper in Gauteng with promises of work...yet the bill for presenting is still outstanding.
Again all I can say is good luck at the V & A. Hope you haven't p
ed off too many pilots, engineers and managers to make a success of it.Maybe if you had bought me that burger and chip things would be a little different.
Clean up and make money!
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Wow! This thread is juicy.
The helicopter never materialized & now the NPA are having "a little difficulty" in recovering their moolah.
Betcha can by a whole load of burgers & chips (and a couple of pink shirts) with 7.2 million fund vouchers.
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DD,
Nope, all monies was paid to an attorneys Trust Fund and all monies was repaid Friday last week. You want the transfer advice?
Next Question?
The industry thrives on seeing other okes fail. This is a rumour network so I wont take too much of it seriously. Fact remains, we have build our own company from scratch knowing that the industry is wanting us to fail. We know the risks involved, we will keep on pitching for tenders, flying tourists, selling helicopters and paying our bills.
If the industry wants to cruxify our company - go ahead. Once we do stuff illegally i will take it seriously.
In the meantime you are welcome to post as much smut as you like. just be careful of being malicious - moderators dont like that kind of thing.
Nope, all monies was paid to an attorneys Trust Fund and all monies was repaid Friday last week. You want the transfer advice?
Next Question?
The industry thrives on seeing other okes fail. This is a rumour network so I wont take too much of it seriously. Fact remains, we have build our own company from scratch knowing that the industry is wanting us to fail. We know the risks involved, we will keep on pitching for tenders, flying tourists, selling helicopters and paying our bills.
If the industry wants to cruxify our company - go ahead. Once we do stuff illegally i will take it seriously.
In the meantime you are welcome to post as much smut as you like. just be careful of being malicious - moderators dont like that kind of thing.
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The likes of Neil Petri as a shareholder!!! I give them 6 months!!
Rumor has it that Petrie fled to New Zealand, that they kicked out Base 4, got into bed with Heli with huge promises of going big & making millions. Sadly Heli was conned, and the "dream team" went nowhere.
I understand their premises in the Waterfront was vacated in February, and the Waterfront Company has since taken judgement against them and their companies for arrear rental in the region of a bar.
Barry O is apparently in the UK somewhere working on another mega million deal, and the older brother is in hiding from creditors. Latest rumor was that he was in Canada on business, but was spotted walking on a Cape Town beach, dreaming about a 412.
